Top 5 PC Sound Cards

[pasanlaksiri]

Top 6 PC Sound Cards

The PC audio market is in a lot of flux right now with the upcoming changes from Windows Vista. Hardware acceleration is not directly supported but the OpenAL standard is looking to change that. The market has expanded away from Creative but they are still the biggest company. The audio role of the PC is increasing with people putting their audio collections in digital formats and hooking them up to home theater systems. With all these different capabilities in mind, here is my list for the best PC audio cards based upon my research and experience.

1 ) Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite Pro Price Range $399.99 - 254.99

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For the ultimate audio creation & home-theater solution!

Sound Blaster® X-Fi™ Elite Pro is the “top of the line” answer to those looking for the very best in audio creation and home entertainment - with all the power and features of the entire Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi family of sound cards bundled into one ultimate solution! These include 24-bit Crystalizer, CMSS-3D surround, and 3DMIDI. What you get is the greatest Xtreme Fidelity quality, crystal clear audio, with unbelievable surround sound - even for MIDI recordings. Unique to Sound Blaster Elite Pro are professional-quality digital-to-analog converters (DACs) and an incredible 116 dB SNR. Also providing for exceptional music creation are advanced features like 24-bit SoundFont sampling, ASIO ultra-low latency for precise recordings, a built-in pre-amp for direct recording, and high-impedance inputs for electric guitars.

PC gaming's never had it better too. You'll be amazed with the accuracy of EAX ADVANCED HD's breath-taking ambience reproduction. Take your game to a new level with X-RAM, the huge 64MB dedicated on-board audio memory for higher quality gaming audio and performance. Bring the cinema right to your living room - Sound Blaster X-Fi is THX certified and supports the latest home theater standards like Dolby Digital EX and DTS-ES for a complete home entertainment solution.

Sound Blaster Elite Pro comes with an external I/O box that has comprehensive connections, easy-to-use knobs, a remote control, plus Creative MediaSource software to give you maximum control. The future of audio has arrived.

2 ) Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Platinum Price Range: $139.00 - $275.99

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Creative has been in the market of hardware accelerated PC audio since its beginning. Now they are one of the last companies to offer hardware acceleration in a PC audio card with their latest X-Fi line. The Platinum model is not the highest model available but it does have a lot of features. Included with the card is a multimedia remote and an interconnect box to allow audio connections on the front of any desktop computer. This really is one of the best audio experiences available.

3 ) Creative X-Fi XtremeMusic Price Range: $99.99 - $140.53

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For those looking for high quality computer audio for gaming, movie watching or audio creation but don't need all the fancy add-ons that come in the more expensive X-Fi models, the Xtreme Music is an excellent choice. It has the same audio processor at the more expensive models so it can still do the various sampling rates, surround sound upmixing, surround simulation and 24-bit Crystalizer. Definitely an excellent choice for those looking to play PC games.

4 ) Auzentech HDA X-Plosion 7.1 DTS Connect Sound Card Price Range: $89.99 - $139.99

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Computers are becoming a major component for home entertainment systems. The problem is most PC audio cards use individual audio connectors for each channel rather than a standard digital surround sound standard like Dolby Digital. That changed with the release of the X-Mystique card and now replaced by the higher end X-Plosion 7.1 card. The support of Dolby Digital Live allows the card to automatically encoded the audio from the computer to connect with a home theater Dolby Digital audio receiver for high quality surround experience.

5 ) TURTLE BEACH TBS-3300-01 Montego DDL Sound Card Price Range: $48.77 - $79.95

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Like the X-Plosion audio card, the Turtle Beach Montego DDL card also supports the Dolby Digital Live for connecting to home theater systems. Unlike the X-Plosion card though, the Montego offers both an input and output optical SPD/IF connectors for more flexibility. Prices are roughly the same as well as features, so the choice really comes down to driver support and connectors that you might require.

6 ) M-Audio Revolution 5.1 Price Range: $79.00

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If you don't require fancy surround sound support or hardware acceleration and want a reliable good quality audio card to replace the integrated audio solutions found on most desktop computers, the M-Audio Revolution 5.1 is the card for you. This is a great inexpensive audio card that works well for music, movies or even gaming thanks to the use of the VIA Envy GT audio processor.

[Anusha]

If you put Audigy X-Fi to the first place, it's should be X-Fi Elite Pro, not the X-Fi Platinum that should be listed there. :yes:

[pasanlaksiri]

If you put Audigy X-Fi to the first place, it's should be X-Fi Elite Pro, not the X-Fi Platinum that should be listed there. :yes:

Ok now its ok

[Anusha]

Ok now its ok
:) :) :)
Still the title says, "Top 5 PC Sound Cards". But can't do anything about that :(

[nukisl]

macho mara info 1k ne

thanks macho

[chaminga_d]

Sound Blaster X-Fi Elite Pro

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[Anusha]

M-Audio Revolution 7.1

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Features:

PCI solution for high-quality surround sound up to 7.1
24-bit/192kHz audio playback on up to 8 channels
digital out transmits PCM, plus passthrough of AC-3 and DTS
supports DTS(ES) output and Dolby Digital 5.1 (or EX 6.1) decoding using
8 analog line outs (4 stereo 1/8" mini jacks)
true professional 24-bit/96kHz mic/line recording (1/8” stereo)
SRS TruSurround XT delivers virtual surround with stereo speakers
SRS Circle Surround II transforms stereo content into surround
game support with Sensaura, EAX, DirectSound and A3D
powerful control panel for bass management and other features
supports all popular media players including Windows Media 9
includes valuable entertainment and music creation software
Surround sound demos Tranquility Base.wma and Renaissance.wma by David Miles Huber

Specifications:

dynamic range: 106dB (A-weighted)
signal-to-noise ratio: A/D: 100dB (Typical, A-weighted)
D/A: 107 dB (Typical, A-weighted)
THD: 0.003%
output sample rates (kHz): 32, 44.1, 48, 88.2, 96, 172.4, 192
size/weight: 5” x 5-1/2” x 7/8”; .2 lbs.

Compatibility:

Windows Media 9
Sensaura
EAX
DirectSound
A3D
SRS TruSurround XT™
SRS Circle Surround II™
ASIO 2
Mac OS X Core Audio

Read a review. (http://www.techspot.com/reviews/hardware/revolution71/)

[amila325]

denatanam onboard sound hodatama athi ath studio ekak danakota meka tikak wedipura balannamko :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Anusha]

denatanam onboard sound hodatama athi ath studio ekak danakota meka tikak wedipura balannamko :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ane umba daana studio :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[pasanlaksiri]

Machan Studio walata mewa aragena madi.

[Anusha]

Machan Studio walata mewa aragena madi.
Most people use M-Audio soundcards in Record Studios if they do them through the PC.

The cards are given below, in the descending order of price (US$500 to US$130)
Delta 1010
Delta 1010LT
Delta 66
Delta 44
Audiophile 192
Audiophile 2496

Check them out: http://www.m-audio.com/index.php?do=products.list&ID=pciinterfaces

[chanster]

1.Auzentech X-Fi Prelude
2.Asus Xonar D2
3.Xtreme Music
4.Chaintech AV710
5.ESI Juli@

Yup those are the best 5 sound cards on the market......

[ereshthush]

ela

[chanster]

Onkyo is the top for music n Prelude is best for movies n gaming....

[chanster]

If u take Prise n performance

1.Chaintech AV 710
2.X-Fi Xtreme music
3.ESI Juli@
4.Onkyo
5.Prelude

[chanster]

N dont think that the Front bay n external module in X-Fi platinum n elite pro is good...they actually degrade audio quality......if u connect a guitar to the font pannel n n at the same time if u connect a guitar to the sound card directly u will see the difference...use plantronics switcher instead.....

[anurudda]

ammoo... fatta solid max kiwwalu.. :D thanks for the post

[chanster]

ammoo... fatta solid max kiwwalu.. :D thanks for the post

Yeah this is the prob is SL if something is expensive its the best haha.....Elite pro has a SNR of 116 where the Prelude has 120 n is fitted with more advance opamps......LM4562...where the elite pro uses a JRC opamp which is not that great as the prelude bt decent......

[pasanlaksiri]

This is a old thread. I cant even remember. :D

[chanster]

hehe well Prelude is the worlds greatest Audio processor for everyday use......

[shalinda]

ohnice thxx for info

[nimaz]

wow!! nyc

[zCexVe]

This is old.New Auzantechs and ASUS Zonars are beating Creative hard these days!

[farshad]

wow thanks for the info.

i'm planing to buy a good sound card for less than 10,000 bugs

also need to buy a good 5.1 sub woofer

can you help me mach. send me a pm

[Kalindugayan]

ela

[anarkalee]

hmmmmmmmm

[chanster]

This is old.New Auzantechs and ASUS Zonars are beating Creative hard these days!

Nope only the prelude can beat any creative on the market but if u mod a elite pro it will be better than prelude.......Elite pro is different from the other X-Fi's cause it uses a different architecture.Yes Xonar will beat a top end creative card unless u mod it......





wow thanks for the info.

i'm planing to buy a good sound card for less than 10,000 bugs

also need to buy a good 5.1 sub woofer

can you help me mach. send me a pm

In SL uts very hard to find a decent sound card for a good prise....If u can get Xtreme music get it since it has all the features of X-Fi except for the ram part..it has around 3 or 4mb Xram...If u cant find X-Fi get a bulk Audigy 2 ZS...u can find em very cheap...its a very good card....good performance for the buck...n DO NOT buy Audigy SE or Xtreme Audio ...they suck cause they dont have a actual chip(X-Fi/Audigy) in it...they are just advance onboard audio which loads the processing on your CPU.....n u wont find theater experience cause they wont support DD n DTS.....my advice get a Audigy 2 ZS or a Audigy 4(Non Pro) or Xtreme music(Best) if u can find 1....

As for the speakers try m5300...u get decent sound with it.......

[GTRZ]

M Audio has better cards machan. Those are mostly used as professional tools.

[blackroses]

elakiri............ mage laganam itin tiyenne sound blaster ekak......... sinduwak ahanna ati eka..............

ara amila325 kiwwa wage onboard eken duwamu.............

[chanster]

Yeah maybe only for recordings.......bt for other things such as what v mostly need day 2 day life the i cards i suggested will rape any M Audio......

[samiram]

hmm...
what about SPDIF outs...
If you have a good receiver..
no need of having a good sound card...
:)

[Sahanhi5]

letz see 2 buy a good one...

[chanster]

hmm...
what about SPDIF outs...
If you have a good receiver..
no need of having a good sound card...
:)

Yes a kick ass receiver will own any sound card bt they will cost 4 or 5 times more.....:lol:

[samiram]

Yes a kick ass receiver will own any sound card bt they will cost 4 or 5 times more.....:lol:

but its worthy to have a one..
other than buying a sound card..
costs more than $500...
:P

[chanster]

Who told to buy a 500$ card? its stupid.... if u get a Auzentech Prelude which is about 200$ n have a logitech Z5500(330$) speaker system u will find very little difference between your 600$ amp n 600$ speakers......this is regarding movie playback,games n music....Not Audio creation.....

[samiram]

Who told to buy a 500$ card? its stupid.... if u get a Auzentech Prelude which is about 200$ n have a logitech Z5500(330$) speaker system u will find very little difference between your 600$ amp n 600$ speakers......this is regarding movie playback,games n music....Not Audio creation.....

hmm...
i know that z5500...
its a THX certified one nee..
one of my friends got it..
thing is when your playing 24bit..
audios the satellites give some irritated sound...
did you noticed that..?
BTW he's using a Optical connection to speakers...
:)

[chanster]

whats is the sound card he's using?

[samiram]

whats is the sound card he's using?

its a on-board one...
came with a Asus board..
im using the same board...
but no probs with me...

[kasuwa1235]

ela ela

[chanster]

hehe that explains... well the thing is onboard sound maintains SNR of 85 or 95...SNR=Signal to Noise ratrio..the irritating sound you are hearing is the Noise...where if u take a dedicated sound card ex=X-Fi Xtreme music which maintains a SNR of 109 that is very less "noise" compared to the onboard.... So if your friend can afford a Z5500 he sure can afford a good sound card.....otherwise hooking up a Z5500 to onboard audio is a complete waste.....ull get DD n DTS cause Z5500 has built in decoders...thats the only thing ull get n thats because of the speakers....I suggest your friend gets a dedicated Audio card......

[shiwankaswe]

Ammo Gamakata SOUNd Dunneheki

[samiram]

hehe that explains... well the thing is onboard sound maintains SNR of 85 or 95...SNR=Signal to Noise ratrio..the irritating sound you are hearing is the Noise...where if u take a dedicated sound card ex=X-Fi Xtreme music which maintains a SNR of 109 that is very less "noise" compared to the onboard.... So if your friend can afford a Z5500 he sure can afford a good sound card.....otherwise hooking up a Z5500 to onboard audio is a complete waste.....ull get DD n DTS cause Z5500 has built in decoders...thats the only thing ull get n thats because of the speakers....I suggest your friend gets a dedicated Audio card......

hmm...
does SNR matters in digital connections....?
:confused:

[chanster]

Yup it does matter.....a standard (not a high end)sony DVD player has a SNR of 100.....which is quite good.....where the Asus Xonar D2 has a SNR of 118 across all channels n has more DVD features like DDL,DTS connect...so u will enjoy watching a movie with a Xonar than a standard dvd player...a standard DVD player (well most) has only DD n DTS that too is not built in u have to have a receiver ......

[chanster]

u see even if onboard has 100SNR it still lacks a processor n loads the processing on the CPU...the CPU is not meant for audio processing u have to have a dedicated audio processor to hear the true audio quality.....so without hardware capabilities onboard sound is crap...(compared to dedicated cards)......i can tell u a lot more if u want to compare onboard n dedicated....

[samiram]

Yup it does matter.....a standard (not a high end)sony DVD player has a SNR of 100.....which is quite good.....where the Asus Xonar D2 has a SNR of 118 across all channels n has more DVD features like DDL,DTS connect...so u will enjoy watching a movie with a Xonar than a standard dvd player...a standard DVD player (well most) has only DD n DTS that too is not built in u have to have a receiver ......

hmm..
i searched the web..
and found out that..
my onboard sound has a SNR of around 107..
but Z5500 has only 93.5....
i think thats the problem..
not with the sound card..
:)

ref - http://www.analog.com/en/prod/0,2877,AD1988B,00.html
http://www.tweaknews.net/reviews/z5500/index2.php

[sachithmax]

studio ekakata oka hari yanne naaaa......habai fun ekata nam top

[chanster]

U still don't get my point.....SNR is just a number in onboard n in terms of speakers SNR it is totally different..

[chanster]

Just think u have a onboad sound n your frend across your street has a Audigy.....

You play a game
Bang bang BOOM
Then u go to ur frens house n play the same game
Bang bang BOOM
U start to think why this has more clarity than my one....so u go to the store and get more expensive speakers
again u play the same game
Bang bang BOOM
u hear a noticeable differnce
Then you go to your frens plc n play the same game....
Bang bang BOOM....still ur frens set sound better.....u start to hate it n u curse your set.....

My friend it is not the speakers it is the Audio device.....i have tested almost most of the sound cards......i know what they can do.....n i know that Hooking up a set like Z5500 to a onboard sound device wont do u any good.......I have a cheap creative m5300 hooked to a Audigy 2 ZS...n the difference between my onboad n the Audigy is very well noticed.......

[elastefan]

Thanks 4 da info this could become useful

[kevin17peiris]

Thanks. I neede this.:yes:

[Chinthakas]

:cool: :cool: ..................

[samiram]

Just think u have a onboad sound n your frend across your street has a Audigy.....

You play a game
Bang bang BOOM
Then u go to ur frens house n play the same game
Bang bang BOOM
U start to think why this has more clarity than my one....so u go to the store and get more expensive speakers
again u play the same game
Bang bang BOOM
u hear a noticeable differnce
Then you go to your frens plc n play the same game....
Bang bang BOOM....still ur frens set sound better.....u start to hate it n u curse your set.....

My friend it is not the speakers it is the Audio device.....i have tested almost most of the sound cards......i know what they can do.....n i know that Hooking up a set like Z5500 to a onboard sound device wont do u any good.......I have a cheap creative m5300 hooked to a Audigy 2 ZS...n the difference between my onboad n the Audigy is very well noticed.......

hmm..
but to my knowledge..
if you use a digital out...
there is no need of a audio processing..
its a clean digital out strait from the audio source..
no SNR's because no need of DAC's....
so in my case it must be speakers..
BTW your example is little bit dumb..
you cant compare a $100 system with a $600 system..
because price definitely make a difference in sound...
if you want to feel it go to the Listening room or to the Yamaha music center..
:P

[nadeeraroshan]

ela ela

[chanster]

hmm..
but to my knowledge..
if you use a digital out...
there is no need of a audio processing..
its a clean digital out strait from the audio source..
no SNR's because no need of DAC's....
so in my case it must be speakers..
BTW your example is little bit dumb..
you cant compare a $100 system with a $600 system..
because price definitely make a difference in sound...
if you want to feel it go to the Listening room or to the Yamaha music center..
:P

Sorry i totally 4got that u are using optical .....

By using digital, it means your onboard soundcard is almost useless, since it passes through the sound digital data from the source to a receiver(which in this case is your z5500)
now
so, by having 107SNR (which doesn't have any effect on digital data) it would be totally useless.
SNR = Signal to Noise Ratio.......... digital is not signal
if you use analog connection, then it would have effect the sound
why?
becoz the soundcard will transform the digital data from the source to analog
analog signal that is
now why is it your z5500 sounds crappy?
simple
onboard uses cpu and ram to extract audio data from the source (mp3,wav,flac,ape,etc etc etc)
that means your whole PC is being hogged
and your Z5500 can only display what has been transfered to it....N i didnt say sound card waz better than AMP did i?
U cant compare em itz like it's like comparing a fish with a dog
Xonar is a DAC, while receiver is a thing that receive (either sound signal or digital data)

2 different thing
you can;t simply plug anything to a receiver
you will still need a soundcard
in your case... your onboard
if u want to compare, it's z5500 receiver with yamaha receiver
yes yamaha receiver is better.... maybe far better, but it's not relevant to your question..... your z5500 sounds crappy becoz of your onboard
If u dont believe me connect your Yamaha to your onboard.....see for yourself...hear n believe.....

N if u haven't noticed my example was about how a dedicated audio card is better than onboard....it never said anything about a receiver hehe......

[Anusha]

hmm..
but to my knowledge..
if you use a digital out...
there is no need of a audio processing..
its a clean digital out strait from the audio source..
no SNR's because no need of DAC's....
so in my case it must be speakers..
BTW your example is little bit dumb..
you cant compare a $100 system with a $600 system..
because price definitely make a difference in sound...
if you want to feel it go to the Listening room or to the Yamaha music center..
:P
What? Analog or digital...SNR matters. More noise = more errors. More errors = autio quality gets crippled.

Just that in analog case, the signal is more susceptible to noise than digital signals.

[nabil]

have my priorities :D

[chanster]

What? Analog or digital...SNR matters. More noise = more errors. More errors = autio quality gets crippled.

Just that in analog case, the signal is more susceptible to noise than digital signals.

Rito! bt in digital SNR wont matter cause Signal is not Digital as mentioned above.....It goes straight to the receiver without any interference ..

[Anusha]

Rito! bt in digital SNR wont matter cause Signal is not Digital as mentioned above.....It goes straight to the receiver without any interference ..
True it is not SNR in digital signals, but Eb and Es (bit error and symbol error) :D

How can you say there won't be any interference? :S
It's a signal as in the case of analog, but only having two voltage levels, instead of being continuous. :S

[chanster]

Well its very little if there was interference.......In optical there is no resistance at all....cause the transmission media is light.....

[Anusha]

Well its very little if there was interference.......In optical there is no resistance at all....cause the transmission media is light.....
Not necessarily...but light it far more immune to interference than electrical signals.

[chanster]

Not necessarily...but light it far more immune to interference than electrical signals.
If u are goin this deep to experience audio clarity u wont need ears hahahahahahahahahaha..........Look man Get serious.....Or get your brains n ears checked.......maybe you should be in deaf school......:nerd:
i have nothin more to discuss about your Audiointerfearence problem(Mental problem)......

[Anusha]

If u are goin this deep to experience audio clarity u wont need ears hahahahahahahahahaha..........Look man Get serious.....Or get your brains n ears checked.......maybe you should be in deaf school......:nerd:
i have nothin more to discuss about your Audiointerfearence problem(Mental problem)......
Interference is interference! Whether it is felt/not felt and/or correctable/uncorrectable are/is something else.

And deaf school is for people who don't hear a thing...not for people who have super hearing powers :rolleyes:

[samiram]

Sorry i totally 4got that u are using optical .....

By using digital, it means your onboard soundcard is almost useless, since it passes through the sound digital data from the source to a receiver(which in this case is your z5500)
now
so, by having 107SNR (which doesn't have any effect on digital data) it would be totally useless.
SNR = Signal to Noise Ratio.......... digital is not signal
if you use analog connection, then it would have effect the sound
why?
becoz the soundcard will transform the digital data from the source to analog
analog signal that is
now why is it your z5500 sounds crappy?
simple
onboard uses cpu and ram to extract audio data from the source (mp3,wav,flac,ape,etc etc etc)
that means your whole PC is being hogged
and your Z5500 can only display what has been transfered to it....N i didnt say sound card waz better than AMP did i?
U cant compare em itz like it's like comparing a fish with a dog
Xonar is a DAC, while receiver is a thing that receive (either sound signal or digital data)

2 different thing
you can;t simply plug anything to a receiver
you will still need a soundcard
in your case... your onboard
if u want to compare, it's z5500 receiver with yamaha receiver
yes yamaha receiver is better.... maybe far better, but it's not relevant to your question..... your z5500 sounds crappy becoz of your onboard
If u dont believe me connect your Yamaha to your onboard.....see for yourself...hear n believe.....

N if u haven't noticed my example was about how a dedicated audio card is better than onboard....it never said anything about a receiver hehe......

:eek: :eek:
so your telling me that....
your sound card can beat an intel E6600..
hmm..
what a world....
BTW the sound extracting part is done by the CPU..
not by the sound card..
what the sound card does is do the DAC part and..
processing effects you use..
:P

[samiram]

What? Analog or digital...SNR matters. More noise = more errors. More errors = autio quality gets crippled.

Just that in analog case, the signal is more susceptible to noise than digital signals.

if you use an optical..
then the interference will be minimal..
you can hear a small hum when you increase the volume to at least 5db..
if there is error in the line..
thats why most of the high end systems use opticals..
:)

[samiram]

Not necessarily...but light it far more immune to interference than electrical signals.

example..?
:confused:

[Anusha]

:eek: :eek:
so your telling me that....
your sound card can beat an intel E6600..
hmm..
what a world....
BTW the sound extracting part is done by the CPU..
not by the sound card..
what the sound card does is do the DAC part and..
processing effects you use..
:P
I too do not agree with the fact people call dedicated audio processing is superior to integrated audio JUST because of the "dedicated-ness". Modern CPUs are more than capable of handing audio on their own. The only things that someone should look for in a dedicated graphics card is the amount of effects it can give...such as EAX 5.0 in Audigy X-Fi or the very high SNR of CardDeluxe or Audiophile.

[Anusha]

if you use an optical..
then the interference will be minimal..
you can hear a small hum when you increase the volume to at least 5db..
if there is error in the line..
thats why most of the high end systems use opticals..
:)
example..?
:confused:
I meant, optical signals are NOT 100% immune to interferences, but they are much more immune to interferences than electrical signals. Probably not applicable to short distance communication as in the case of a sound system.

[pasanlaksiri]

Sorry i totally 4got that u are using optical .....

By using digital, it means your onboard soundcard is almost useless, since it passes through the sound digital data from the source to a receiver(which in this case is your z5500)
now
so, by having 107SNR (which doesn't have any effect on digital data) it would be totally useless.
SNR = Signal to Noise Ratio.......... digital is not signal
if you use analog connection, then it would have effect the sound
why?
becoz the soundcard will transform the digital data from the source to analog
analog signal that is
now why is it your z5500 sounds crappy?
simple
onboard uses cpu and ram to extract audio data from the source (mp3,wav,flac,ape,etc etc etc)
that means your whole PC is being hogged
and your Z5500 can only display what has been transfered to it....N i didnt say sound card waz better than AMP did i?
U cant compare em itz like it's like comparing a fish with a dog
Xonar is a DAC, while receiver is a thing that receive (either sound signal or digital data)

2 different thing
you can;t simply plug anything to a receiver
you will still need a soundcard
in your case... your onboard
if u want to compare, it's z5500 receiver with yamaha receiver
yes yamaha receiver is better.... maybe far better, but it's not relevant to your question..... your z5500 sounds crappy becoz of your onboard
If u dont believe me connect your Yamaha to your onboard.....see for yourself...hear n believe.....

N if u haven't noticed my example was about how a dedicated audio card is better than onboard....it never said anything about a receiver hehe......


Hey dude u know y Z5500 is sucks ?

dedicated audio card is better than onboard

Yes Agreed. But machan sound quality eka gana nam ubata oya widiyata kiyanna ba

[chanster]

:eek: :eek:
so your telling me that....
your sound card can beat an intel E6600..
hmm..
what a world....
BTW the sound extracting part is done by the CPU..
not by the sound card..
what the sound card does is do the DAC part and..
processing effects you use..
:P

i tot you might quote that..... but that's fine anyway...
since the facts still remains, the SOUND STILL BETTER... OVERALL!!!!!!
and that is not as subjective as you think it was.... it has already been tested by some of my colleagues(a quick blind test)
since not all of the cards tested is ASIO native... so we just use Kernel Streaming without using DSPs, from CDs, FLACs, and APEs. using Quad 11L, Z5500, Klipsch promedia, S750, Sennheiser HD600, and Audio Technica A900.
so Audigy 2 ZS has more features than onboard, decent audio qualities and better than onboard overall(it's not as bad as you think it is, but still worse than the rest of onboard)
my question is... have you compare them before? or have you actually heard Audigy 2 ZS audio performance before?
if yes, can i ask you with what media player and which configuration did you test it?
as i can post all the test details on the test i had done.
i may not be as good as you in technical mumbo jumbo... hell no... but i do know which one is better and which one is worse.
that my friend, i can guarantee you.
N r u so dumb?? who said anything about a E6600? CPU n Audio Processor are 2 different things.......
CPU=Process Data
Audio Processor=Process Audio
+ where did u get the info on "sound extracting part is done by the CPU"??

[chanster]

[QUOTE=pasanlaksiri]Hey dude u know y Z5500 is sucks ?

I dun care what u think about Z5500 but Z5500 will destroy any creative speakers available where movies n games are concerned.......

[Dj.BigBear]

hi guys,
i'm joining this forum just to answer this typical question, as requested by my dear friend Chanster.

i may not know much about audio, but atleast i know the basics, but i think i can answer this matter technically.
and i have been helping out on other audio forum as well for quite some time.



what makes a soundcard so different from onboard?

a soundcard is a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter), its task is to convert digital data from media source (such as CD, MP3, FLAC, APE, etc etc) into analog signal to be later converted into sound by a speaker.

while onboard and add-on soundcard has similar task, those soundcards have different ways and tools to convert those data into signal.

and while onboard depends on CPU and RAM to process those, an add-on soundcard has its own processor and ram to do that.

if we're talking about greatness of those CPU and RAM, ofcourse technically a core2duo or core2quad is greater, but please do keep in mind that those processor need to process other task than just an audio....
in gaming a CPU and RAM on PC has to manage perform tasks from the game software to produce complicated and stressful calculations and graphics.
while on the other hand, using a dedicated soundcard will release the burden of those tasks from your CPU and RAM and not to mention those add-on soundcard has above normal priority set for doing audio processing.
so by having add-on soundcards, atleast there will be no more choppy and screechy or any other distracting/interfering sound;)



now we move on to sound quality.
ever wonder what makes audiophile CD player is so damn expensive(such as Denon CD Player)?
basically a CD player is a DAC (or soundcard itself) becos its task is to read from digital data(CD) and convert it to analog signal through RCA cables (Red and White plug cables)
those expensive CD Player has top notch components such as audio grade capacitors, Operational Amplifiers, and DAC Chip, so there for they produce far superior sound quality compared to other CD/DVD player you can find on the market(toshiba/or any other china brand)

you could test it yourself using the same speaker and you will notice it immediately.

now a soundcard is just the same as those audiophile CD Player minus the CD reader.
it processes those audio task dedicatedly, and using components made solely for that purpose.

this is not a snake oil, if you can demo/hear it for yourself, you should pinpoint the exact difference between generic DAC such as onboard soundcard which depends heavily on PC CPU/RAM with a great dedicated DAC soundcard.

[chanster]

At last someone with real knowledge.....

[Anusha]

At last someone with real knowledge.....
Rather...someone who agree with you :P

[Dj.BigBear]

Rather...someone who agree with you :P

hahahaha... quite the contrary, on other forum i disagree with chanster most of the time.
and i can prove that:lol:

[chanster]

Rather...someone who agree with you :P

Yup 70% use analogue outputs 29.5 uses digital outputs there are 0.5% ppl like you who doesn't need outputs but medical attention........

[DIRTY X]

menna mage ekaa :D

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[samiram]

hi guys,
i'm joining this forum just to answer this typical question, as requested by my dear friend Chanster.

i may not know much about audio, but atleast i know the basics, but i think i can answer this matter technically.
and i have been helping out on other audio forum as well for quite some time.



what makes a soundcard so different from onboard?

a soundcard is a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter), its task is to convert digital data from media source (such as CD, MP3, FLAC, APE, etc etc) into analog signal to be later converted into sound by a speaker.

while onboard and add-on soundcard has similar task, those soundcards have different ways and tools to convert those data into signal.

and while onboard depends on CPU and RAM to process those, an add-on soundcard has its own processor and ram to do that.

if we're talking about greatness of those CPU and RAM, ofcourse technically a core2duo or core2quad is greater, but please do keep in mind that those processor need to process other task than just an audio....
in gaming a CPU and RAM on PC has to manage perform tasks from the game software to produce complicated and stressful calculations and graphics.
while on the other hand, using a dedicated soundcard will release the burden of those tasks from your CPU and RAM and not to mention those add-on soundcard has above normal priority set for doing audio processing.
so by having add-on soundcards, atleast there will be no more choppy and screechy or any other distracting/interfering sound;)



now we move on to sound quality.
ever wonder what makes audiophile CD player is so damn expensive(such as Denon CD Player)?
basically a CD player is a DAC (or soundcard itself) becos its task is to read from digital data(CD) and convert it to analog signal through RCA cables (Red and White plug cables)
those expensive CD Player has top notch components such as audio grade capacitors, Operational Amplifiers, and DAC Chip, so there for they produce far superior sound quality compared to other CD/DVD player you can find on the market(toshiba/or any other china brand)

you could test it yourself using the same speaker and you will notice it immediately.

now a soundcard is just the same as those audiophile CD Player minus the CD reader.
it processes those audio task dedicatedly, and using components made solely for that purpose.

this is not a snake oil, if you can demo/hear it for yourself, you should pinpoint the exact difference between generic DAC such as onboard soundcard which depends heavily on PC CPU/RAM with a great dedicated DAC soundcard.

ok..
so these things also apply to spdf outs..?
i mean other than the CPU..
the equipment qulaity and stuff..?
:confused:

[ran123456]

hmmm...............

[samiram]

Hey dude u know y Z5500 is sucks ?



Yes Agreed. But machan sound quality eka gana nam ubata oya widiyata kiyanna ba

he want believe it ban..
he's talking about old RCA outs..
:P

[chanster]

Z5500 ROX...thats Final!!!

[samiram]

i tot you might quote that..... but that's fine anyway...
since the facts still remains, the SOUND STILL BETTER... OVERALL!!!!!!
and that is not as subjective as you think it was.... it has already been tested by some of my colleagues(a quick blind test)
since not all of the cards tested is ASIO native... so we just use Kernel Streaming without using DSPs, from CDs, FLACs, and APEs. using Quad 11L, Z5500, Klipsch promedia, S750, Sennheiser HD600, and Audio Technica A900.
so Audigy 2 ZS has more features than onboard, decent audio qualities and better than onboard overall(it's not as bad as you think it is, but still worse than the rest of onboard)
my question is... have you compare them before? or have you actually heard Audigy 2 ZS audio performance before?
if yes, can i ask you with what media player and which configuration did you test it?
as i can post all the test details on the test i had done.
i may not be as good as you in technical mumbo jumbo... hell no... but i do know which one is better and which one is worse.
that my friend, i can guarantee you.
N r u so dumb?? who said anything about a E6600? CPU n Audio Processor are 2 different things.......
CPU=Process Data
Audio Processor=Process Audio
+ where did u get the info on "sound extracting part is done by the CPU"??

hmm...
yes i didnt test it....
ok im dumb..
can you explain the process for me then..?
so you can show my points are wrong and..
you also can help me buy explaining these things...
:confused:

[Dj.BigBear]

ok..
so these things also apply to spdf outs..?
i mean other than the CPU..
the equipment qulaity and stuff..?
:confused:

ok now we move on to spdif or digital connections.

first we all have to know that by using a digital connection, the task of the soundcard will be narrowed to extracting the data from the media and then passing it through.

yes, it won't be bothered by converting digital to analog signal anymore, but still those data have to be extracted from the media and modify it to be later suited better with the receiver.

easy task if you read it like that.... but actually it still needs processing power.

and if you are using onboard sound, still the processing power will be dependant to PC CPU and RAM.

and please do keep in mind, that processing movie format or gaming software is not as easy as it sounds.... it does stress your CPU and RAM quite considerably to interfere with other task.

if you want example, for those using onboard, try playing audio while unzipping/unrar 500 mb of zipped/rarred file.

[Dj.BigBear]

i would not call Z5500 as a top notch speakers since there are clearly better setup with bookshelf speaker and amplifiers out there.

but for the budget and features it offers, some ppl just don't have enough knowledge or budget to set their own bookshelf speakers and amplifiers that will cost you easily >$500

[samiram]

ok now we move on to spdif or digital connections.

first we all have to know that by using a digital connection, the task of the soundcard will be narrowed to extracting the data from the media and then passing it through.

yes, it won't be bothered by converting digital to analog signal anymore, but still those data have to be extracted from the media and modify it to be later suited better with the receiver.

easy task if you read it like that.... but actually it still needs processing power.

and if you are using onboard sound, still the processing power will be dependant to PC CPU and RAM.

and please do keep in mind, that processing movie format or gaming software is not as easy as it sounds.... it does stress your CPU and RAM quite considerably to interfere with other task.

if you want example, for those using onboard, try playing audio while unzipping/unrar 500 mb of zipped/rarred file.

yup i agreed with the performance thing...
but the quality..?
is it compromise by using an on board sounds..?
:confused:

[Dj.BigBear]

yup i agreed with the performance thing...
but the quality..?
is it compromise by using an on board sounds..?
:confused:
yes... it still has to be processed by certain components on the soundcard right?

while onboard has generic components, many great add-in soundcard has audiophile grade components for that.
by audiophile grade, i mean those stuff created solely for audio stuff.

beside, if onboard soundcard depends to much on CPU and RAM while they're clearly performing other stressful task .... your sound will be choppy/screechy/statics.

[Anusha]

Yup 70% use analogue outputs 29.5 uses digital outputs there are 0.5% ppl like you who doesn't need outputs but medical attention........
Oh....feeling sorry for you...getting desperate you seem! :lol:

[samiram]

yes... it still has to be processed by certain components on the soundcard right?

while onboard has generic components, many great add-in soundcard has audiophile grade components for that.
by audiophile grade, i mean those stuff created solely for audio stuff.

beside, if onboard soundcard depends to much on CPU and RAM while they're clearly performing other stressful task .... your sound will be choppy/screechy/statics.

ok..
so if its sending an pure digital out to the receiver..
no components needed for that ne..
because of no media conversations..
and the pc is in idle condition..
still does the quality drops..?
BTW there is a separate chip for the on-boards audios too...
in my situation its ADI 1988b....
:confused:

[Dj.BigBear]

as for Analog, Digital preferance....

for those who are playing with hi-end audiophile music, they should know better that using Analog will be better from digital. they provide more neutral sound than digital.

but there's a big sound quality and price gap between mediocre Analog setup and hi-end Analog setup.

most mediocre Analog setup is inferior to Digital, that's why most of casual listener prefer digital over analog.

but when you reach hi-end analog setup, digital won't suit your ear.... why you ask?
digital audio has a certain stiffness in their sound signature, different from Analog.

[Anusha]

yes... it still has to be processed by certain components on the soundcard right?

while onboard has generic components, many great add-in soundcard has audiophile grade components for that.
by audiophile grade, i mean those stuff created solely for audio stuff.

beside, if onboard soundcard depends to much on CPU and RAM while they're clearly performing other stressful task .... your sound will be choppy/screechy/statics.
Why do you always talk about RAM? Sound cards don't have RAM onboard. Only the X-Fi Fatal1ty has some sort of RAM...X-RAM.

[Dj.BigBear]

ok..
so if its sending an pure digital out to the receiver..
no components needed for that ne..
because of no media conversations..
and the pc is in idle condition..
still does the quality drops..?
BTW there is a separate chip for the on-boards audios too...
in my situation its ADI 1988b....
:confused:

no. components are still needed, if not, there will be totally no use of onboard soundcard also.
as i have stated, doing digital will narrow the task of the soundcard, that means releasing much of the task usually used by analog.
but that doesn't mean it doesn't need resources, it does. especially when you PC is doing major task like unzipping/unrar large files or playing a very stressful game or playing HD movie contents.

and if components are still needed, it still have large amount of effect to the sound quality.

yes ADI1988b is a soundcard chipset, but not all soundcard chipset does total audio processing without help from other resource such as CPU and RAM.

[Dj.BigBear]

Why do you always talk about RAM? Sound cards don't have RAM onboard. Only the X-Fi Fatal1ty has some sort of RAM...X-RAM.

no.... to tell you the truth all X-Fi has ram....
but only Fatal1ty and Elite pro has X-Ram.
Xtreme music has 2-4 mb of ram.

[samiram]

as for Analog, Digital preferance....

for those who are playing with hi-end audiophile music, they should know better that using Analog will be better from digital. they provide more neutral sound than digital.

but there's a big sound quality and price gap between mediocre Analog setup and hi-end Analog setup.

most mediocre Analog setup is inferior to Digital, that's why most of casual listener prefer digital over analog.

but when you reach hi-end analog setup, digital won't suit your ear.... why you ask?
digital audio has a certain stiffness in their sound signature, different from Analog.

you are too pro men..
i asked a simple question..
i know analogue is better than digital..
but my point is when you use a pc to produce the sound...
you use a optical out to the reciever...
by a on-board sound card...
and nothing is done to the sound from the pc....(pure)
and the pc is in idle stage..
whats happen to the quality..?
:confused:

[Dj.BigBear]

you are too pro men..
i asked a simple question..
i know analogue is better than digital..
but my point is when you use a pc to produce the sound...
you use a optical out to the reciever...
by a on-board sound card...
and nothing is done to the sound from the pc....(pure)
and the pc is in idle stage..
whats happen to the quality..?
:confused:

i was answering other post.... as for your post, look a bit lower.

[Dj.BigBear]

take a look at this for X-Fi RAM thingy

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/5427/kalakalalk4.jpg

[samiram]

no. components are still needed, if not, there will be totally no use of onboard soundcard also.
as i have stated, doing digital will narrow the task of the soundcard, that means releasing much of the task usually used by analog.
but that doesn't mean it doesn't need resources, it does. especially when you PC is doing major task like unzipping/unrar large files or playing a very stressful game or playing HD movie contents.

and if components are still needed, it still have large amount of effect to the sound quality.

yes ADI1988b is a soundcard chipset, but not all soundcard chipset does total audio processing without help from other resource such as CPU and RAM.

thats the point im going to prove..
what ever you friend chanster wont believe it..
he says all the on-board's are crap..
ask from an electrician...
he can transform a normal cd-rom to a cd player..
buy getting the digital out directly from the Laser head..
and send it to receiver by coaxial out as PCM source..
if you use a high quality coaxial cable cant notice even a small noice..
if you dont believe me ask from and pro electrician...
:yes:

[Dj.BigBear]

thats the point im going to prove..
what ever you friend chanster wont believe it..
he says all the on-board's are crap..
ask from an electrician...
he can transform a normal cd-rom to a cd player..
buy getting the digital out directly from the Laser head..
and send it to receiver by coaxial out as PCM source..
if you use a high quality coaxial cable cant notice even a small noice..
if you dont believe me ask from and pro electrician...
:yes:

yes you could do that...
but still the sound quality resulted from of each brand of CD-Rom used for that transformation will vary.
try it....
i;ve done that also

[chanster]

Why do you always talk about RAM? Sound cards don't have RAM onboard. Only the X-Fi Fatal1ty has some sort of RAM...X-RAM.
not only that....

Xtreme Audio - No X-Fi Chipset, no hardware acceleration, no EAX 5.0, lowest audio quality of all X-Fi cards.

XtremeGamer - All features of X-Fi cards including hardware acceleration and EAX, smaller profile, lacks AD_Link port to connect external breakout box.

XtremeMusic (Discontinued) - All features including AD_Link port, normal profile.

XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Pro - All features plus 64MB X-RAM.

Platnium - No 64MB X-RAM, includes front panel.

Fatal1ty FPS - Includes 64MB X-RAM and front panel.

Elite Pro - Includes 64MB X-RAM and breakout box, higher quality DAC (Cirrus Logic CS4398).

[samiram]

i was answering other post.... as for your post, look a bit lower.

hmm..
you dont understand me..
i think my English is wrong...
you post about x-ram says alla about..
sound processing in games and stuff..
i only talk about pure digital outs..
no processing..
what ever thanks..
i will find my answers by my own..
:confused:

[Dj.BigBear]

actually... talking to much about it won;t do too much good.

you can choose wether to believe me or not, it's totally up to you.

but the only thing that can prove it, is by demonstrating the difference between onboard and a decent soundcard yourself.

i've stumbled across too many ppl saying that paying considerable large amount of money on a soundcard is a complete waste of money.
but most of them will say the exact opposite when they came to my audio store, and audition it for themselves.

yes... i came from a world that even power cable has effects on audio quality..... yes.... power cable..... the one the connects the electricity to your audio device....
sounds rediculous? most of audiophiles don't think so.

[samiram]

yes you could do that...
but still the sound quality resulted from of each brand of CD-Rom used for that transformation will vary.
try it....
i;ve done that also

ok thats the answer i was waiting for..
how could that be..
CD is a digital source of audio nee..
so sound is stored as data..
so the its reads as a data..
its sends the audio as data..
so how can that be different..
:confused:

[Dj.BigBear]

ok thats the answer i was waiting for..
how could that be..
CD is a digital source of audio nee..
so sound is stored as data..
so the its reads as a data..
its sends the audio as data..
so how can that be different..
:confused:

yes... that's also what i thought long time ago.... if it is digital data... it should not be deteriorated right?
wrong!...... you have to remember digital data has "JITTER":cool:

[Dj.BigBear]

not to mention digital data rely too much on the material used for passing through the data such as capacitors on soundcard and cable quality.

[Anusha]

not only that....

Xtreme Audio - No X-Fi Chipset, no hardware acceleration, no EAX 5.0, lowest audio quality of all X-Fi cards.

XtremeGamer - All features of X-Fi cards including hardware acceleration and EAX, smaller profile, lacks AD_Link port to connect external breakout box.

XtremeMusic (Discontinued) - All features including AD_Link port, normal profile.

XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Pro - All features plus 64MB X-RAM.

Platnium - No 64MB X-RAM, includes front panel.

Fatal1ty FPS - Includes 64MB X-RAM and front panel.

Elite Pro - Includes 64MB X-RAM and breakout box, higher quality DAC (Cirrus Logic CS4398).
Ok fine! Only the top models have X-RAM. And only Creative. If this is so important, why aren't the other manufacturers use RAM on their cards?

[samiram]

yes... that's also what i thought long time ago.... if it is digital data... it should not be deteriorated right?
wrong!...... you have to remember digital data has "JITTER":cool:

ahh..
to my knowledge jitter wont low the quality of the audio cd....
it causes to skip the audio cd or to hear some spikes....
is that the quality drop you mean..?
that can correct from jitter correction softwares..
BTW im asking these questions to clear my doughts..
because im going to spend lot of money for my sound system soon..
:yes:

[chanster]

Ok fine! Only the top models have X-RAM. And only Creative. If this is so important, why aren't the other manufacturers use RAM on their cards?
Cause Xram is mainly used for games (although it wont affect a lot).......n there is no card that can beat a creative in terms of games.......due cause the card can process up to 8 environment's at 1 time.....n many more........

[chanster]

ahh..
to my knowledge jitter wont low the quality of the audio cd....
it causes to skip the audio cd or to hear some spikes....
is that the quality drop you mean..?
that can correct from jitter correction softwares..
BTW im asking these questions to clear my doughts..
because im going to spend lot of money for my sound system soon..
:yes:
Spending on a sound system or a sound card lasts for a long long time n u wont regret it........

[Dj.BigBear]

Ok fine! Only the top models have X-RAM. And only Creative. If this is so important, why aren't the other manufacturers use RAM on their cards?

who sez they aren't?:lol:
well they didn't say they do out to public, but clearly ppl who buy those don't need to know (most of them already know that)

ok
how many soundcards have you auditioned?
i've tested:
- SB live!
- Audigy 2
- X-Fi (from Xtreme Audio to Prelude)
- ESI Juli@
- Onkyo SE90/SE200/U55GX/U55SX
- Echo Audiofire
- Prodigy
- TurtleBeach Montego
and many many more.

and most of them produce much better sound either analog/digitally.
atleast according to my opinion.

[samiram]

not to mention digital data rely too much on the material used for passing through the data such as capacitors on soundcard and cable quality.

that wont be a problem because..
hi end mother board uses high quality equipments..
because there are more parts that needed a clean current supply..
than sounds..

[Dj.BigBear]

ahh..
to my knowledge jitter wont low the quality of the audio cd....
it causes to skip the audio cd or to hear some spikes....
is that the quality drop you mean..?
that can correct from jitter correction softwares..
BTW im asking these questions to clear my doughts..
because im going to spend lot of money for my sound system soon..
:yes:

no it will not lower the quality of the data on CD, but remember the data is being extracted and carried FROM CD TO A RECEIVER..... and to do those thing.... we still need tool such as capacitors, PCB, and cables.... yes... we're still haven't got the technology to do that without those things.

no... by jitter i don;t mean spikes or skipping..... hahahahahhaa..... if you do CD/DVD burning, you should know more about jitter.... it is what we called imperfection of data extraction and transfer.

no jitter correction software is known to be good enough... even for CD/DVD burning method.... let alone audio:lol:

[Dj.BigBear]

that wont be a problem because..
hi end mother board uses high quality equipments..
because there are more parts that needed a clean current supply..
than sounds..

nope....
not high-end.... even solid caps is not preferable in audio world....

ever heard of Rubycon Blackgates / Elna cerafine / purism / Oscon / Panasonic FM?
those are the best audio caps in the world....

yes, i happen to know a bit of those stuff too, since i modify soundcards and audio equipments.

[samiram]

Spending on a sound system or a sound card lasts for a long long time n u wont regret it........

thing is i dont need a modified sound from the pc.
i only need a pure natural sound from it..
because i uses a natural sound yamaha receiver..
they gave me a demo before i bought it....
the sound was awsome and they uses a yamaha cd player for that...
and they didn't do anything to the sound from the player..
now i cant test it because my speakers are a crap..
so im going to buy some new speakers wich they used for the demo...
but a another sound card for my pc is really annoying...(because im not that $$$)
:confused:

[chanster]

what areas are u interested? movies,music etc?

[Anusha]

who sez they aren't?:lol:
well they didn't say they do out to public, but clearly ppl who buy those don't need to know (most of them already know that)

ok
how many soundcards have you auditioned?
i've tested:
- SB live!
- Audigy 2
- X-Fi (from Xtreme Audio to Prelude)
- ESI Juli@
- Onkyo SE90/SE200/U55GX/U55SX
- Echo Audiofire
- Prodigy
- TurtleBeach Montego
and many many more.

and most of them produce much better sound either analog/digitally.
atleast according to my opinion.
Of course they perform better, but not as exaggerated as chanster showed in his "tests" :P
Otherwise why do they make these cards in the first place?

[Dj.BigBear]

thing is i dont need a modified sound from the pc.
i only need a pure natural sound from it..
because i uses a natural sound yamaha receiver..
they gave me a demo before i bought it....
the sound was awsome and they uses a yamaha cd player for that...
and they didn't do anything to the sound from the player..
now i cant test it because my speakers are a crap..
so im going to buy some new speakers wich they used for the demo...
but a another sound card for my pc is really annoying...(because im not that $$$)
:confused:

if you have read my earlier post better.... you should've noticed that those CD players actually has Audio Processing Chipset embedded inside them.

do buy another speaker... better one... the one same as the store....
by then, if you still haven't got similar audio quality as the store... you will remember my post.

[samiram]

no it will not lower the quality of the data on CD, but remember the data is being extracted and carried FROM CD TO A RECEIVER..... and to do those thing.... we still need tool such as capacitors, PCB, and cables.... yes... we're still haven't got the technology to do that without those things.

no... by jitter i don;t mean spikes or skipping..... hahahahahhaa..... if you do CD/DVD burning, you should know more about jitter.... it is what we called imperfection of data extraction and transfer.

no jitter correction software is known to be good enough... even for CD/DVD burning method.... let alone audio:lol:

hmmm..
you better check this forum dude..
i cant verify their professionality..
but there surely no somthing about sound..
read it and post your ideas..
specially cliveb's posts...
:)

ref - http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t57251.html

[samiram]

if you have read my earlier post better.... you should've noticed that those CD players actually has Audio Processing Chipset embedded inside them.

do buy another speaker... better one... the one same as the store....
by then, if you still haven't got similar audio quality as the store... you will remember my post.

the it'l be too late..
my idea for now is to..
buy a whole new set of speakers..
but if the on-board is crappy..
then i have a option to buy only the front towers..
and the sub..
so have to find it now..
:)

[Dj.BigBear]

hmmm..
you better check this forum dude..
i cant verify their professionality..
but there surely no somthing about sound..
read it and post your ideas..
specially cliveb's posts...
:)

ref - http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t57251.html
please read that thread again carefully...
those correction is done by offboard soundcard....

and he was talking about data recovery... not jitter.... hahahahahahahahahaha....
i told you before.. it's not the same thing.....
jitter is error from within read/write/transfer process.

[samiram]

please read that thread again carefully...
those correction is done by offboard soundcard....

and he was talking about data recovery... not jitter.... hahahahahahahahahaha....
i told you before.. it's not the same thing.....
jitter is error from within read/write/transfer process.

hmm..
can you explain this..
i admit that my english is poor but..?


cliveb
Sep 2 2007, 05:22
QUOTE(vetinry @ Sep 2 2007, 11:16) *
1. Bearing in mind that I'm not using the decoding facility of the on board audio, is there going to be any improvement of upgrading to a dedicated sound card?

Only if the onboard SPDIF output resamples. If it does (many do), then you might want to consider adding one that doesn't (eg. from M-Audio). This only applies to when you're feeding the digital output to your arcam receiver. Playing to the Squeezebox doesn't involve the soundcard at all.

[Dj.BigBear]

cliveb
Sep 2 2007, 05:22
QUOTE(vetinry @ Sep 2 2007, 11:16) *
1. Bearing in mind that I'm not using the decoding facility of the on board audio, is there going to be any improvement of upgrading to a dedicated sound card?

Only if the onboard SPDIF output resamples. If it does (many do), then you might want to consider adding one that doesn't (eg. from M-Audio). This only applies to when you're feeding the digital output to your arcam receiver. Playing to the Squeezebox doesn't involve the soundcard at all.

he mentioned about the one that doesn't resample like M-Audio, it's true that if it doesn't do any resampling, you won't need dedicated soundcard as much as if you do need resampling.

but please do remember that i have explained to you about the basic principal of digital data extraction and transfer which consist many electronical components and others.

it extracts data from the media and passing it through the soundcard..... and do you really think by passing it through, it doesn't have to get through all those PCB and capacitors and digital cable?
that data needs to be powered to before sent to a receiver.....

[samiram]

he mentioned about the one that doesn't resample like M-Audio, it's true that if it doesn't do any resampling, you won't need dedicated soundcard as much as if you do need resampling.

but please do remember that i have explained to you about the basic principal of digital data extraction and transfer which consist many electronical components and others.

it extracts data from the media and passing it through the soundcard..... and do you really think by passing it through, it doesn't have to get through all those PCB and capacitors and digital cable?
that data needs to be powered to before sent to a receiver.....

yup...
that is inevitable to your posts i think..
anyway thanks for your time Dj.BigBear...
i got only few bucks in my hand and i need to spend it wisely....
so i'll spent my remaining time in the night to find a HDCD torrent..
and test my system for re sampling..
can you help me with that too...?
:)

[Dj.BigBear]

yup...
that is inevitable to your posts i think..
anyway thanks for your time Dj.BigBear...
i got only few bucks in my hand and i need to spend it wisely....
so i'll spent my remaining time in the night to find a HDCD torrent..
and test my system for re sampling..
can you help me with that too...?
:)
hahahah sorry mate... can't help you there....
beside.... i'm exhausted....
need to respond to other forum too:(
ok.... c ya later... maybe i won;t log in to this forum for a long long long time... nice meeting you guys anyway:lol:

[samiram]

hahahah sorry mate... can't help you there....
beside.... i'm exhausted....
need to respond to other forum too:(
ok.... c ya later... maybe i won;t log in to this forum for a long long long time... nice meeting you guys anyway:lol:

ahh dont do that men..
you can have a chit chat with..
us once a while..
you know now that we are really friendly ne..
BTW are you a Sri Lankan..?
:P

[Dj.BigBear]

ahh dont do that men..
you can have a chit chat with..
us once a while..
you know now that we are really friendly ne..
BTW are you a Sri Lankan..?
:P

nope... indonesian.... indonesian born chinese actually.

[samiram]

nope... indonesian.... indonesian born chinese actually.

ohh..
i play dota with Indonesian friends..
sometimes in GG..
your playing too..?
:0

[Dj.BigBear]

ohh..
i play dota with Indonesian friends..
sometimes in GG..
your playing too..?
:0

hahaha
nope.... never got the time to play tho....
i have to find as much money as i can.... it;s getting harder and harder to support live these days....:(

[samiram]

hahaha
nope.... never got the time to play tho....
i have to find as much money as i can.... it;s getting harder and harder to support live these days....:(

ohh..
same situation in here too..
what to do men..
whatever we have to live ne.
anyways nice to meeting you..
i have to get my dinner now...
i almost forget it because of our conversation.. :lol:
come again in another time ok..
cya later..
Bye.
GN
:)

[pasanlaksiri]

[QUOTE=pasanlaksiri]Hey dude u know y Z5500 is sucks ?

I dun care what u think about Z5500 but Z5500 will destroy any creative speakers available where movies n games are concerned.......


Yes agreed. Z5500 is much much beter than Stupid Cheap Creative speakers.

But LOGITECH sub is not good at all. Its digital processing unit is good.

But its SUBWOOFER amplifire and Subwoofer is really sucks. Not much power.

If u do some changes in its curcitry and connect a Hi Power Subwoofer amplifire. It will be grate combination. And allways use Bandpass Subwoofer Box Design with super Subwoofer like Rockford Fosgate.

And remember u must match other speakers tooo...


Then throw away that LOGITECH subwoofer.

[chanster]

[QUOTE=chanster]


Yes agreed. Z5500 is much much beter than Stupid Cheap Creative speakers.

But LOGITECH sub is not good at all. Its digital processing unit is good.

But its SUBWOOFER amplifire and Subwoofer is really sucks. Not much power.

If u do some changes in its curcitry and connect a Hi Power Subwoofer amplifire. It will be grate combination. And allways use Bandpass Subwoofer Box Design with super Subwoofer like Rockford Fosgate.

And remember u must match other speakers tooo...


Then throw away that LOGITECH subwoofer.

I too agree.....bt in terms of computer speakers.....U are talking about car audio......Car audio will own any sub in the PC market....everyone knows that.....

[amilabanuka]

Thanks for the info. they are marvolous. but I'm hapy with my crative sound blaster live card.

[buddhika19]

thankx

[pasanlaksiri]

[QUOTE=pasanlaksiri]

I too agree.....bt in terms of computer speakers.....U are talking about car audio......Car audio will own any sub in the PC market....everyone knows that.....

Ya that will be the best sound system ever.

[vithya]

I need Delta 1010 or 1010lt how match? how to get?