Linux(SUSE 10.2) beats VISTA [Archive]

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 07:59 AM

If Windows was free, I don't think anyone will use Linux.

why not eh? u have to use linux and see what it really means.... no anti virus... faster... so customizerble so many apps... so many choices... ant not to mention the security!!! hehehe... well god bless all those windows users... there are so many exploits in the wild... zero day vanu... you'll all just have to depend on one company! hehe.. and know what companies want money... its simple eh?

i got a winxp license with my lap... so i've paid for that shit already... but don't use it. know why.. cause i think that linux is much much better...

and linux is better not because its not windows... or not because its just free(as in free beer).. but because it is free as in freedom, simply its open source and there are so many people out there improving it all the time... so its simple... any propertary os will never ever beat it cause of that... its just a matter concept... :)

well whatever... i use linux and i am soooo happy with it... i damn hosted my own web site with a forum in it, on my lap!!! i would not have done that if it was not running linux yar...

just look at elakiri... even its running open source! ;)

shivantha17

03-22-2007, 08:15 AM

yes,u are correct.best things in the world are always free.......

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 08:25 AM

like true love! well have not found my one yet.. hope it will be free as in freedom :) lol

lankahost

03-22-2007, 08:27 AM

I'm using linux.Thanks sake

gayannr

03-22-2007, 08:30 AM

why not eh? u have to use linux and see what it really means.... no anti virus... faster... so customizerble so many apps... so many choices... ant not to mention the security!!! hehehe... well god bless all those windows users... there are so many exploits in the wild... zero day vanu... you'll all just have to depend on one company! hehe.. and know what companies want money... its simple eh?

i got a winxp license with my lap... so i've paid for that shit already... but don't use it. know why.. cause i think that linux is much much better...

and linux is better not because its not windows... or not because its just free(as in free beer).. but because it is free as in freedom, simply its open source and there are so many people out there improving it all the time... so its simple... any propertary os will never ever beat it cause of that... its just a matter concept... :)

well whatever... i use linux and i am soooo happy with it... i damn hosted my own web site with a forum in it, on my lap!!! i would not have done that if it was not running linux yar...

just look at elakiri... even its running open source! ;)

Yes men I totally agree with ya.u havnt left anything for me to mention.thanks yaar.

thusithagh

03-22-2007, 08:31 AM

yeah. who need vista wen we hav same features with Linux.

Anusha

03-22-2007, 08:37 AM

why not eh? u have to use linux and see what it really means.... no anti virus... faster... so customizerble so many apps... so many choices... ant not to mention the security!!! hehehe... well god bless all those windows users... there are so many exploits in the wild... zero day vanu... you'll all just have to depend on one company! hehe.. and know what companies want money... its simple eh?

i got a winxp license with my lap... so i've paid for that shit already... but don't use it. know why.. cause i think that linux is much much better...

and linux is better not because its not windows... or not because its just free(as in free beer).. but because it is free as in freedom, simply its open source and there are so many people out there improving it all the time... so its simple... any propertary os will never ever beat it cause of that... its just a matter concept... :)

well whatever... i use linux and i am soooo happy with it... i damn hosted my own web site with a forum in it, on my lap!!! i would not have done that if it was not running linux yar...

just look at elakiri... even its running open source! ;)
And do you think if the roles of Windows and Linux interchanges (as in market share), you will be any safer on Linux than Windows?

gayannr

03-22-2007, 08:37 AM

If Windows was free, I don't think anyone will use Linux.
hav u ever used linux,and what distros?:yes: :yes:

Anusha

03-22-2007, 08:39 AM

yeah. who need vista wen we hav same features with Linux.
For a starter, gamers!!!

kudalla

03-22-2007, 08:40 AM

hei,,,
this is the very good opportunity to beats VISTA
VISTA is not a new version of Microsoft.But it is new version of Graphic processing unit...
u can compete VISTA by downloading this application and run in Linux as Readme file say........
Every Features in VISTA(Side bar/ Aero look etc...) wil b there in Linux(SUSE 10.2:) )

http://shivantha17.googlepages.com/gDesklets-0.35.4.tar.bz2

Thanx a lot machooo, Is it possible to run this On Fedora Core 6?????

gayannr

03-22-2007, 08:40 AM

And do you think if the roles of Windows and Linux interchanges (as in market share), you will be any safer on Linux than Windows?
do u know that the elakiri is running on Apache server.

Anusha

03-22-2007, 08:41 AM

hav u ever used linux,and what distros?:yes: :yes:
I have tried Redhat, Fedora Core 6, Ubuntu - but never more than few hours because they sucked from the start!!!

thusithagh

03-22-2007, 08:44 AM

I have tried Redhat, Fedora Core 6, Ubuntu - but never more than few hours because they sucked from the start!!!
macho try SUSE i hav used. even vista has copied it's graphics features. and not like vista it can also used in low end machines.(without many graphic utilities.)

:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

Anusha

03-22-2007, 08:46 AM

do u know that the elakiri is running on Apache server.
And?

thusithagh

03-22-2007, 08:49 AM

And?
do u know any servers using vista????

Anusha

03-22-2007, 08:51 AM

macho try SUSE i hav used. even vista has copied it's graphics features. and not like vista it can also used in low end machines.(without many graphic utilities.)

:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
It's the XGL engine that matters. Ubuntu supports the same thing. No difference between the graphical effects in both distributions.

However, you can never say Microsoft copied those effects from Linux, because they are completely different engines. XGL is just the effects. Aero and WDDM are a lot more than that.

Linux' GUI is converging towards Windows (and Apple) GUIs and that's not copying, ha?

Anusha

03-22-2007, 08:51 AM

do u know any servers using vista????
:lol:
Vista was just released. :rolleyes:
We'll see when Longhorn Server releases.

MCLINER

03-22-2007, 08:55 AM

:lol:
Vista was just released. :rolleyes:
We'll see when Longhorn Server releases.
Linux is more safe , stable and fast. That's why most of the servers runs on LINUX

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 09:00 AM

And do you think if the roles of Windows and Linux interchanges (as in market share), you will be any safer on Linux than Windows?

yeah.. it should be even more safer! cause more users = linux gets tested better, and the number of people looking at its code will increase too... so it should much much harder than it is now. its open buddy :)

MCLINER

03-22-2007, 09:01 AM

Windows cant beat Linux

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 09:02 AM

:lol:
Vista was just released. :rolleyes:
We'll see when Longhorn Server releases.

macho more than 75%(not sure about this, must be higher than this,,,) of web servers run apache... what else do you need to know about MS servers??? they suck!

kudalla

03-22-2007, 09:03 AM

Windows may good for beginners (PC users). But 4 Servers Linux is the best solution. Windows valata kittuvennavath ba>>>

thusithagh

03-22-2007, 09:03 AM

search for the beyrl project newest in graphics.

MCLINER

03-22-2007, 09:05 AM

Windows may good for beginners (PC users). But 4 Servers Linux is the best solution. Windows valata kittuvennavath ba>>>
ya machan ...........Windows server is vry expensive also...............

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 09:06 AM

It's the XGL engine that matters. Ubuntu supports the same thing. No difference between the graphical effects in both distributions.

However, you can never say Microsoft copied those effects from Linux, because they are completely different engines. XGL is just the effects. Aero and WDDM are a lot more than that.

Linux' GUI is converging towards Windows (and Apple) GUIs and that's not copying, ha?

well the default config is what matters. different distros have deferent defaults... and when it comes to linux there are so many options... so there are many engines... i too think that suse have a nice look than ubuntu... anyways just check these vids out.. and if you still think that vista is better looking than linux...... hmmmm you have major problem!!! :)

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=beryl&search=Search

Anusha

03-22-2007, 09:08 AM

yeah.. it should be even more safer! cause more users = linux gets tested better, and the number of people looking at its code will increase too... so it should much much harder than it is now. its open buddy :)
Make the job easier for the hackers. They now can check every line of code. :lol:

Anusha

03-22-2007, 09:08 AM

Windows cant beat Linux
Wonder why you are not using it :rolleyes:

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 09:09 AM

Yes men I totally agree with ya.u havnt left anything for me to mention.thanks yaar.

your are welcome!

MCLINER

03-22-2007, 09:09 AM

Wonder why you are not using it :rolleyes:
actually im talking about servers.
If I hav my own server sum day definitely I use Linux

Anusha

03-22-2007, 09:10 AM

well the default config is what matters. different distros have deferent defaults... and when it comes to linux there are so many options... so there are many engines... i too think that suse have a nice look than ubuntu... anyways just check these vids out.. and if you still think that vista is better looking than linux...... hmmmm you have major problem!!! :)

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=beryl&search=Search
I had seen that video a long time ago.

Anusha

03-22-2007, 09:10 AM

actually im talking about servers.
If I hav my own server sum day definitely I use Linux
So you think Vista is a server OS now?

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 09:11 AM

Make the job easier for the hackers. They now can check every line of code. :lol:

all hackers are not bad people! when hackers can look at the code and when they have the freedom they can improve it! and thats what its all about!

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 09:12 AM

I had seen that video a long time ago.

so what do you think about that GUI? beryl??? are'nt they coooool????

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 09:13 AM

so what do you think about that GUI? beryl??? are'nt they coooool????
can vista even go near that???

MCLINER

03-22-2007, 09:13 AM

So you think Vista is a server OS now?
no
I dint talk abt VISTA

Im talking abt Windows Server OS s

Anusha

03-22-2007, 09:16 AM

so what do you think about that GUI? beryl??? are'nt they coooool????
Of course it is cool. I never said it wasn't cool. But that's all.
can vista even go near that???
In terms of effects, no.

kudalla

03-22-2007, 09:17 AM

Make the job easier for the hackers. They now can check every line of code. :lol:

DES, AES, SSL and other security algorithms, algorithm is open to any 1. But is it easily hackable???? Other thing is hackers dont want to hack linux,,, Bcoz its freeeeeeeeeee.......

Anusha

03-22-2007, 09:20 AM

DES, AES, SSL and other security algorithms, algorithm is open to any 1. But is it easily hackable???? Other thing is hackers dont want to hack linux,,, Bcoz its freeeeeeeeeee.......
Hackers are there to violate privacy, not to attack the rich. (Maybe there are some anti-microsoft guys) More users move to Linux = more valuable information is with those users. They will always be attacked. The fact whether Linux is free or not is not the criteria for the hackers.

kudalla

03-22-2007, 09:30 AM

MCLINER

03-22-2007, 09:32 AM

As ur opinion, what are the mostly hacked systems in the world??? Linux systems or Windows Systems???
:yes::yes:

WINDOWS

kudalla

03-22-2007, 09:38 AM

:yes::yes:

WINDOWS

Absolutely Correct...:yes: :yes: :yes:

MCLINER

03-22-2007, 09:40 AM

Absolutely Correct...:yes: :yes: :yes:
I've never of a hacker hu had hacked LINUX

Anusha

03-22-2007, 09:42 AM

As ur opinion, what are the mostly hacked systems in the world??? Linux systems or Windows Systems???
Windows. Why? I said in a previous post.

kudalla

03-22-2007, 09:43 AM

How Linux 3D Desktop looks like

http://news.softpedia.com/images//news2/Fedora-Core-6-Desktop-Effects-with-Beryl-2.png

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 09:56 AM

Hackers are there to violate privacy, not to attack the rich. (Maybe there are some anti-microsoft guys) More users move to Linux = more valuable information is with those users. They will always be attacked. The fact whether Linux is free or not is not the criteria for the hackers.

your definition of hackers are more like the definition of criminals! well thats your def.. i can't do anything about that but...

to attack linux is much much harder than attacking windows, and that is known by everybody including hackers! the point is... whoever gonna attack linux is gonna have a hard time than anyone attacking windows. because simply linux is far better than windows. did u read the symantec guy's security report about vista? oh my! hehe... its like a really bad nightmare coming true!

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 09:57 AM

How Linux 3D Desktop looks like

http://news.softpedia.com/images//news2/Fedora-Core-6-Desktop-Effects-with-Beryl-2.png
oh! it seems so open ;)

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 10:00 AM

I've never of a hacker hu had hacked LINUX

:lol: you don't know how hard to keep a linux server safe.
Most of the servers now using linux distroz and everday something get hacked. hehe.

kudalla

03-22-2007, 10:03 AM

:lol: you don't know how hard to keep a linux server safe.
Most of the servers now using linux distroz and everday something get hacked. hehe.

So why dont U switch in to Windows????
:D

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 10:04 AM

Of course it is cool. I never said it wasn't cool. But that's all.

In terms of effects, no.

what do mean by its cool but thats all??? linux got it all(or at least most of it.. like 99% :) ) ....

tell what vista has and linux don't???(apart from the fact that vista has a lot bugs, and its soooo hoggy on your RAM, eats 400MB+ all the time!!! :) )

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 10:06 AM

So why dont U switch in to Windows????
:D

:)

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 10:08 AM

So why dont U switch in to Windows????
:D

you gonna pay me for Win 2003 license? and Helm, Community Server etc... ;)

kudalla

03-22-2007, 10:10 AM

you gonna pay me for Win 2003 license? and Helm, Community Server etc... ;)

Another Plus (+) Point 4 Linux haaa.....:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

Anusha

03-22-2007, 10:18 AM

did u read the symantec guy's security report about vista? oh my! hehe... its like a really bad nightmare coming true!
Symantec are pissed off against Microsoft because some of the features of Vista were kept hidden from them and because Vista's protection mechanisms can send them out of business :lol:

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 10:20 AM

Another Plus (+) Point 4 Linux haaa.....:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

ya but linux WHM/Cpanel also cost lot of $$, I think more than Helm too. php might be free but community script not. If you go with Cent OS then its free but if you go with enterprice level then redhat enterprise linux. Still cost you $$

Anusha

03-22-2007, 10:20 AM

what do mean by its cool but thats all??? linux got it all(or at least most of it.. like 99% :) ) ....
None of those effects are useful IMO. In fact, I have turned off the effects of Vista as well.

tell what vista has and linux don't???(apart from the fact that vista has a lot bugs, and its soooo hoggy on your RAM, eats 400MB+ all the time!!! :) )
Entertainment & ease of use

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 10:21 AM

kudalla

03-22-2007, 10:26 AM

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 10:26 AM

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 10:28 AM

Do U think that U can save those $$ U have mentioned above, if U go with Windows???

no still cost me money. I just wanted to point out linux not all free as every1 think

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 10:29 AM

I am not saying windows servers are rock solid secure but easy to maintain, patch and secure. Linux more hard and lot of effort :yes:
From my idea when it comes to server software Windows and Linux kinda equal both software can be hacked and both should be monitored. Windows kinda easy to manage and monitor but linux bit harder than that. :yes:

Win servers used all over the world even in large infrastructures and so do linux.

well what i think is that... when u configure a linux box. its solid. it'll do its job. u have to do the patching and stuff yes.. but then its much better than waiting days till MS release a patch to a newly discovered vanu in win sys...? most of the time when a vanu is discovered in linux or some OS software... the patch comes out withing hours. but for windows its days... and sometimes even weeks... leaving a alot of work for the admins.... like blocking a service temp... or applying some homemade hack to keep the servers safe...

so i guess there is a major advantage in linux over win....

kudalla

03-22-2007, 10:29 AM

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 10:36 AM

Symantec are pissed off against Microsoft because some of the features of Vista were kept hidden from them and because Vista's protection mechanisms can send them out of business :lol:

yeah they should be pissed at MS but still in that report they give enough reasoning to justify there claims! so its not a bunch of lies...

plus don't forget that vista has some ugly DRM!!! :growl:

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 10:40 AM

ya but linux WHM/Cpanel also cost lot of $$, I think more than Helm too. php might be free but community script not. If you go with Cent OS then its free but if you go with enterprice level then redhat enterprise linux. Still cost you $$

there are a lot of options pal... a lot of options... if u want free(as in beer) stuff well there are a plenty of options... phpBB, phpfusion.... etc etc etc...

redhat OS don't really cost you you can get it for free.. but they are charging for the updates and stuff... which is very fair!!!

why not give a try to debian ha? its a good server OS eh? and may be gentoo even... well u'll have to compile everything so its gonna be a lot of work but still don't forget the performance boost!!!

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 10:43 AM

None of those effects are useful IMO. In fact, I have turned off the effects of Vista as well.

Entertainment & ease of use

the world most easy to use OS is tiger OSX which is a *nix os.... not windows! and entertainment...... go take a look at Ultimate ubuntu's screenshots, notice the list of multimedia apps there!!! man linux got a wealthy base of multimedia apps!!! there are sooooooooooo many dj apps and all sorts of things!!!

and if you are into 3D ani... keep in mind that lots of holywood movie's 3D stuff is done with Free and open source software!

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 10:45 AM

well what i think is that... when u configure a linux box. its solid. it'll do its job. u have to do the patching and stuff yes.. but then its much better than waiting days till MS release a patch to a newly discovered vanu in win sys...? most of the time when a vanu is discovered in linux or some OS software... the patch comes out withing hours. but for windows its days... and sometimes even weeks... leaving a alot of work for the admins.... like blocking a service temp... or applying some homemade hack to keep the servers safe...

so i guess there is a major advantage in linux over win....

You are talking about only the Linux OS bro, hosting not only OS there are lot of software running inside, most of that industry standard software are paid like MS.
So same trouble like dealing with MS. And even it’s harder.
If you using enterprise level linux then you will have to wait for the vendors release too.

If you using linux desktops then its really good all free and nicely patched. But still If you have a good firewall or a security software in Win still its not a problem. So I think its mostly the $ which makes win and linux different when it comes to desktops.

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 10:47 AM

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 10:49 AM

If U have correctly configured IPTABLES, U can minimize those attacks which U R talking by 80%.....:yes:

Well that's configuring but its really customization for the software you use and services, but still not you are secure. Most linux servers which get hacked has well managed basic configuration.

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 10:51 AM

no still cost me money. I just wanted to point out linux not all free as every1 think

linux is supposed to be free as in freedom and as free as in free beer! if it is all free as in free beer how the hell can OS developers buy there lunch??? :)

nEoN_wHitE

03-22-2007, 10:52 AM

If Windows was free, I don't think anyone will use Linux.
:yes:
even tho linux is free.. it sux :yes::yes::yes:

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 10:52 AM

Well that's configuring but its really customization for the software you use and services, but still not you are secure. Most linux servers which get hacked has well managed basic configuration.

setup snort... an open source first calss IDS... do the basic security tight!!! and then u can relax a bit... but eh you are the admin!!! so u have to be busy at all times :) hehe...

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 10:53 AM

and also coz MS doing thier own Anti virus ;)
yeah MS is sooo ugly that they want to eliminate competition... thats really bad of em..

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 10:56 AM

:yes:
even tho linux is free.. it sux :yes::yes::yes:

hehe well thats what you think eh.... may be u should come out of that neon light and step in to the real world :D :D :D

Anusha

03-22-2007, 11:04 AM

the world most easy to use OS is tiger OSX which is a *nix os.... not windows! and entertainment...... go take a look at Ultimate ubuntu's screenshots, notice the list of multimedia apps there!!! man linux got a wealthy base of multimedia apps!!! there are sooooooooooo many dj apps and all sorts of things!!!
OSX kernel is based on Unix, and that's it. The similarities end there. All the innvative stuff are Apple's creations.
and if you are into 3D ani... keep in mind that lots of holywood movie's 3D stuff is done with Free and open source software!
FOSS are not only for Linux. :rolleyes: I use a lot of FOSS applications as well, and will continue to do so (if they are better than the paid apps). It has nothing to do with Linux.
And forget about gaming in Linux. There are of course certain FPS games running in Linux, but they can never compare to gaming in Windows.

Anusha

03-22-2007, 11:07 AM

yeah MS is sooo ugly that they want to eliminate competition... thats really bad of em..
You call that eliminating competition? BS! That's increasing competition. Competition is what brings better products to the market.

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 11:08 AM

win servers are used in far farrrrrr less amounts than lin servers... go to this netcraft site and look at this...

http://news.netcraft.com/archives/web_server_survey.htm (http://news.netcraft.com/archives/web_server_survey.html)l

well not farrrrrrr less as you say bro ;) haha 31.09% for MS and 58.70% for Apache.

Anyway since linux is mostly cost effective solution for small servers and business its widely used.

Anyway some funny thing in the stats... you can see during those 3 months Windows Server user base has increased from 1% while apache server user base has decreased.

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 11:13 AM

setup snort... an open source first calss IDS... do the basic security tight!!! and then u can relax a bit... but eh you are the admin!!! so u have to be busy at all times :) hehe...

haha thats what i said bro more hard work ;)

kudalla

03-22-2007, 11:16 AM

haha thats what i said bro more hard work ;)

good things ; difficult to gain..:yes: :yes:

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 11:19 AM

OSX kernel is based on Unix, and that's it. The similarities end there. All the innvative stuff are Apple's creations.

FOSS are not only for Linux. :rolleyes: I use a lot of FOSS applications as well, and will continue to do so (if they are better than the paid apps). It has nothing to do with Linux.
And forget about gaming in Linux. There are of course certain FPS games running in Linux, but they can never compare to gaming in Windows.

yeah apple is sooooo creative thats true and my point was that vista is not the best UF system... so i guess you accept that? :)

FOSS is a concept... and linux is one of its brightest products ever! so it definitely has a lot to do with FOSS!!! and many FOSS apps works better when they are running on a linux kernel because they were programed for linux and therefor they natively run on linux unlike what happens when they are ported to windows...

and most of them can run under less HW requirements when they are running under linux!

and gaming huh? hehe :) well well now linux has many nice games developed for it.. CC, DOOM....etc etc.. but yeah most of the games are still only for windows.. so does that mean linux is not for gamers??? no you are so wrong!!! hehe... there is some thing caleld cedega from transgaming.... it can install windows games in linux and then guess what? the games run much faster when they are running in linux! just goto there site and read the stuff there... not all games run with this but most of the cool ones do.. like warcraft ;) hehe...

there is a another thing called crossover from codewavers.... check that out if u can't believe me on this.. u can game game and game with linux! most of the multiplayer games run like hell in linux, u should have tries some of em...

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 11:22 AM

You call that eliminating competition? BS! That's increasing competition. Competition is what brings better products to the market.

no closing the platform off is not increasing competition! the new vista kernel is aggressive... the main intention....? get a nice advantage for the new AN SW's start... which is of course gonna be a another bunch of shit :)

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 11:22 AM

linux is supposed to be free as in freedom and as free as in free beer! if it is all free as in free beer how the hell can OS developers buy there lunch??? :)
hehe then you said like its all free and all freedom hehe. Thats what i am asking too bro if this world become all free and open source how the developers gonna eat and live? They all skilled hard working people and have put lot of money on their education.
While doctors asking for big money for channeling why developers can't get atleast small amount? doctor just look at you and may be touch you for 1-2 minutes and they ask you like Rs 500($5) for that. hehe but no one asking or shoulting to them saying do it free give it free or run campaign against them, make banners and sites against them :lol: but i think you know how many hard working days ppl spend to develop a $5 software. :yes:

We both learned with big effort and spent lot of money on it. So in my opinion there should be balance in free open source and paid software. Almost all of those GNU developers work for top software companies and while they earn money they develop software as a hobby.
So if there is no paid software then there will be no free software too! :yes:

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 11:26 AM

haha thats what i said bro more hard work ;)
haha well well.... if u rely on win OS for everything... u are most probably gonna regret it one day when u get hacked... cause window's security is security through obscurity.. which won't work... its like a time bomb waiting to explode in some random time!!!

and common! setting up snort is not that hard is it? don't be lazy! :lol:

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 11:29 AM

well not farrrrrrr less as you say bro ;) haha 31.09% for MS and 58.70% for Apache.

Anyway since linux is mostly cost effective solution for small servers and business its widely used.

Anyway some funny thing in the stats... you can see during those 3 months Windows Server user base has increased from 1% while apache server user base has decreased.

yeah i wonder why? :) hehe.. u know they have said that there have been a issue in detecting linux box's uptime because of a change in the linux kernel.... may be this has something to do with it... who knows lol

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 11:29 AM

good things ; difficult to gain..:yes: :yes:

yeah, just like true love ;)

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 11:30 AM

good things ; difficult to gain..:yes: :yes:
thats not the point we are talking bro. hehe then some MS dude will say same Good things dif to gain. so thats why we asking that much for our software :lol:

and all open source ppl will shout saying Win is not good at all and its kinda sh*t hehe but its not a valid point :D I think both has its advantages and disadvantages. Its upto the user, task and the budget.

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 11:34 AM

hehe then you said like its all free and all freedom hehe. Thats what i am asking too bro if this world become all free and open source how the developers gonna eat and live? They all skilled hard working people and have put lot of money on their education.
While doctors asking for big money for channeling why developers can't get atleast small amount? doctor just look at you and may be touch you for 1-2 minutes and they ask you like Rs 500($5) for that. hehe but no one asking or shoulting to them saying do it free give it free or run campaign against them, make banners and sites against them :lol: but i think you know how many hard working days ppl spend to develop a $5 software. :yes:

We both learned with big effort and spent lot of money on it. So in my opinion there should be balance in free open source and paid software. Almost all of those GNU developers work for top software companies and while they earn money they develop software as a hobby.
So if there is no paid software then there will be no free software too! :yes:

well yeah.. there is a issue there... but i guess people have and is finding alternative strategies.... to make money.. you know... redhat...and stuff...

hey what about that SL comp.... WSO2! hehe they develop FOSS and they give it for free and they earn from providing service... those guys are pulling a lot of money!!!

Anusha

03-22-2007, 11:37 AM

yeah apple is sooooo creative thats true and my point was that vista is not the best UF system... so i guess you accept that? :)
Not really. I've used OSX for a few minutes and it wasn't that easy. Also, Apple software on Windows (which are specifically written for Windows) doesn't work as good as the software written by Microsoft for Apple, such as Office etc.
FOSS is a concept... and linux is one of its brightest products ever! so it definitely has a lot to do with FOSS!!! and many FOSS apps works better when they are running on a linux kernel because they were programed for linux and therefor they natively run on linux unlike what happens when they are ported to windows...

and most of them can run under less HW requirements when they are running under linux!
I can't argue about that because I haven't used the same software on each platform.
and gaming huh? hehe :) well well now linux has many nice games developed for it.. CC, DOOM....etc etc.. but yeah most of the games are still only for windows.. so does that mean linux is not for gamers??? no you are so wrong!!! hehe... there is some thing caleld cedega from transgaming.... it can install windows games in linux and then guess what? the games run much faster when they are running in linux! just goto there site and read the stuff there... not all games run with this but most of the cool ones do.. like warcraft ;) hehe...
AFAIK, they don't run even close to the speed of running them in Windows. Besides, only OpenGL games or games ported from DirectX to OpenGL works in Linux (as well as in OSX). DirectX has far better graphics effect/quality than OpenGL, especially DirectX10 in Vista.
there is a another thing called crossover from codewavers.... check that out if u can't believe me on this.. u can game game and game with linux! most of the multiplayer games run like hell in linux, u should have tries some of em...
But it's not for games. I never said Linux lacks in general purpose software. Don't get me wrong.

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 11:39 AM

thats not the point we are talking bro. hehe then some MS dude will say same Good things dif to gain. so thats why we asking that much for our software :lol:

and all open source ppl will shout saying Win is not good at all and its kinda sh*t hehe but its not a valid point :D I think both has its advantages and disadvantages. Its upto the user, task and the budget.

MS stuff are no good for the money they ask u for!!! hehe.... and yes as the rules of nature suggest closed source must be good for something... i wonder what it is good for......??? toilet paper software ? haha lolz just kidding! :)

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 11:39 AM

haha well well.... if u rely on win OS for everything... u are most probably gonna regret it one day when u get hacked... cause window's security is security through obscurity.. which won't work... its like a time bomb waiting to explode in some random time!!!

and common! setting up snort is not that hard is it? don't be lazy! :lol:

haha what i got to say to those linux freaks windows servers not unsecured like you exaggerate. :lol: and linux not secure as you think/say too.
So come from dreams and leave the hatred against MS and just face the truth :lol:

I am not talking for MSN but i am just telling the normal issues in the industry.

Anusha

03-22-2007, 11:41 AM

no closing the platform off is not increasing competition! the new vista kernel is aggressive... the main intention....? get a nice advantage for the new AN SW's start... which is of course gonna be a another bunch of shit :)
Only Symantec and McAfee seems to have problems with Vista. Nobody else does. Almost all the others have 100% works AV software. What does this makes us think about Symantec and McAfee? Cry babies? :confused: :D

kudalla

03-22-2007, 11:44 AM

thats not the point we are talking bro. hehe then some MS dude will say same Good things dif to gain. so thats why we asking that much for our software :lol:

and all open source ppl will shout saying Win is not good at all and its kinda sh*t hehe but its not a valid point :D I think both has its advantages and disadvantages. Its upto the user, task and the budget.

He he, as U said there are some + & - points in both windows & linux. There are no 100% perfect things in this world. As I think windows and linux target 2 different groups. Windows targets beginners & PC users while Linux targets Advanced and Server Users....:yes: :yes:

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 11:47 AM

Not really. I've used OSX for a few minutes and it wasn't that easy. Also, Apple software on Windows (which are specifically written for Windows) doesn't work as good as the software written by Microsoft for Apple, such as Office etc.

I can't argue about that because I haven't used the same software on each platform.

AFAIK, they don't run even close to the speed of running them in Windows. Besides, only OpenGL games or games ported from DirectX to OpenGL works in Linux (as well as in OSX). DirectX has far better graphics effect/quality than OpenGL, especially DirectX10 in Vista.

But it's not for games. I never said Linux lacks in general purpose software. Don't get me wrong.

well when u are using a new system it take some time to get used to it... and as we all have used windows to start our computing.... we are kinda used to windows so thats why people find it hard to migrate... but once you have completed the learning curve.. stuff should be just fine...

and hey.. that cedega this is using directx drivers in linux!!! so it runs better... and because of the linux kernel underling it... it runs even better!!! u can install games with ease... and lunch em... control emmm you know what i mean uh?...

the only thing is cedega is commercial software... and that is the same rezone that they use directx... and if u have used wine and stuff like that... well this stuff performs much much better than wine....!!! hehe the experience is different...

all these ATI people who don't write a nice driver for linux do cause a lot of pain in the ass for linux users... if the HW companies write drivers man linux would be soooo cool for gamers! :) or even if they open up there video cards... and give the needed info for people to develop a driver... im sure that the community would write a better driver than the official one!!! :)

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 11:53 AM

MS stuff are no good for the money they ask u for!!! hehe.... and yes as the rules of nature suggest closed source must be good for something... i wonder what it is good for......??? toilet paper software ? haha lolz just kidding! :)

haha then why all the other things need patents and LG claims no one can make a door cooling refrigerator for another 15 years hehe. No one talk about that but only for software. Sharing source is okay coz you just sharing the technology but still the creator should have the right to decide to reveal his secrets or not.

If you in to linux, php open source that much tell me why most of those top scripts comes with ionCube or Zend encoded? And why Cpanel also? :lol:

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 11:55 AM

haha what i got to say to those linux freaks windows servers not unsecured like you exaggerate. :lol: and linux not secure as you think/say too.
So come from dreams and leave the hatred against MS and just face the truth :lol:

I am not talking for MSN but i am just telling the normal issues in the industry.

well the truth as i understand it is this... nor linux or windwos are secure out of the box... it is upto the admin to do the hardening...

but the interesting this is that... when it comes to windows... there is a limit for the admin... he can't patch code... he can't remove parts of the code... he can't compile the code with custom options in the compiler to increase security.. he can't make his own hacks to his server's code base.... and the list goes on...

but when it is open source... you can do all of the above... the admin have far more power in linux than in windows, why? cause linux is open and windows is not.

when a bug is discovered for windows... you have to wait for a fix from MS, which takes a lot of time and stuff.. simply ur so depended on them! but when u are using linux its not like that... even if redhat vanished today u can still run a nice redhat server... still patching it... still updating it... cause the code is there for you.

so my point is when it comes to security and everything else... windows is much limited and linux is unlimited and it can be unleashed as your hart wishes!!!

lasanka

03-22-2007, 11:58 AM

linux advocates.....
how depressing..!

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 12:09 PM

Only Symantec and McAfee seems to have problems with Vista. Nobody else does. Almost all the others have 100% works AV software. What does this makes us think about Symantec and McAfee? Cry babies? :confused: :D

yeah they suck! hehe... i m sure that those small AV people will be faster than big ones to invent work arounds... :)

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 12:11 PM

haha then why all the other things need patents and LG claims no one can make a door cooling refrigerator for another 15 years hehe. No one talk about that but only for software. Sharing source is okay coz you just sharing the technology but still the creator should have the right to decide to reveal his secrets or not.

If you in to linux, php open source that much tell me why most of those top scripts comes with ionCube or Zend encoded? And why Cpanel also? :lol:

yes i get your point... its like the p2p file sharing issue... the thing is... well lets say that i found something called 'A' (which can vanish MS from this earth :)).. how can i be sure that i am the first one who did find it...? i mean i just did it... someone might have it before but he or she might have just not used it may be...

no matter what you do... people will do piracy.. they'll get the code... its human nature!!! hehe... so i think people show be doing inventing and making money out of that.. rather than patenting stuff...

patents and copyrights slow down innovation!!! its bad!!! :)

and for tha zend coded thing.. hehe take a look at these results.. people can decode those scripts!!! http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=decoding+zend+encoded&btnG=Search

so its like that... the nature ;)

gayannr

03-22-2007, 12:13 PM

And?
and do you know that 80% of the webservers al around the world are powered by Apache:cool:

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 12:14 PM

well yeah.. there is a issue there... but i guess people have and is finding alternative strategies.... to make money.. you know... redhat...and stuff...

hey what about that SL comp.... WSO2! hehe they develop FOSS and they give it for free and they earn from providing service... those guys are pulling a lot of money!!!

Ya so as you said redhat and stuff mean its paid software same like MS strategy.

About services you told, Ya i also know few guys doing those kinda stuff. They just go to companys and impress them saying this is open source and this is free etc.. and make them move to Linux. After that boss and staff even don't know how to manage a simple stuff. Then they call the company and they charge as they want and earn big money coz boss and staff all screwed up with linux hehe.
They get a permanent customer who can't leave them. :lol:
After that they write payroll softwares and all other stuff telling their own prices and they like owned that company. haha

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 12:15 PM

linux advocates.....
how depressing..!

who's advocate are you???:confused:

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 12:17 PM

linux advocates.....
how depressing..!

hmmmm who's advocate are you?:confused:

kudalla

03-22-2007, 12:19 PM

and do you know that 80% of the webservers al around the world are powered by Apache:cool:

Elakirith Apache ne,,,, he he...

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 12:22 PM

yes i get your point... its like the p2p file sharing issue... the thing is... well lets say that i found something called 'A' (which can vanish MS from this earth :)).. how can i be sure that i am the first one who did find it...? i mean i just did it... someone might have it before but he or she might have just not used it may be...

no matter what you do... people will do piracy.. they'll get the code... its human nature!!! hehe... so i think people show be doing inventing and making money out of that.. rather than patenting stuff...

patents and copyrights slow down innovation!!! its bad!!! :)

and for tha zend coded thing.. hehe take a look at these results.. people can decode those scripts!!! http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=decoding+zend+encoded&btnG=Search

so its like that... the nature ;)
hehe so you also agree now there should be balance between open source and closed source. Free software and Paid software. :D

About zend decoding, you never got my point. What i tried to say was people who on free open source software seen too want to keep thier privacy AKA closed source. :D
About Zend well that’s old zend i haven't seen any decoder for the new. Anyway it will be an endless battle.

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 12:26 PM

and do you know that 80% of the webservers al around the world are powered by Apache:cool:

well nope 58.7% on Apache and 31% on Microsoft :yes:

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 12:26 PM

Ya so as you said redhat and stuff mean its paid software same like MS strategy.

About services you told, Ya i also know few guys doing those kinda stuff. They just go to companys and impress them saying this is open source and this is free etc.. and make them move to Linux. After that boss and staff even don't know how to manage a simple stuff. Then they call the company and they charge as they want and earn big money coz boss and staff all screwed up with linux hehe.
They get a permanent customer who can't leave them. :lol:
After that they write payroll softwares and all other stuff telling their own prices and they like owned that company. haha

no!!! ms's strategy is different! they have licensing... and stuff we can never own MS made software.. we can just rent em.... but its not like that with RH.. you can buy a copy and copy it to 100000000000000000 CDs and give it to any one you like.. its legal!!! but if you do that to some MS software then its software piracy! and you are a pirate for doing that!!! ehhe....

RH's strategy is to charge for the services... and they are not evil as you think... :)

man! do you really have people like that??? hehe we srilankans never grow up! :) well i was not talking about those type of people!!! WSO2 make software that is in apache... and they do make middleware... they are global... they were even in TV ART and ETV.. the rezone for been in TV was that they were earning so much profits!!! the guy who is the head in that is a famous guy(search for sanjeewa sl open source sri lanka)... the company is a SL one...

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 12:34 PM

hehe so you also agree now there should be balance between open source and closed source. Free software and Paid software. :D

About zend decoding, you never got my point. What i tried to say was people who on free open source software seen too want to keep thier privacy AKA closed source. :D
About Zend well that’s old zend i haven't seen any decoder for the new. Anyway it will be an endless battle.

well its like this.. if the whole world was smart they would all use open source ;) hehe lol as the world is not fully smart it not like that... i guess you can treat that as a joke :)

yeah i missed your point! sorry about that.. yeah i know most of the people just cant figure out how to make money from open source. but lots of people are making money still been open source! so i guess we'll have to invent ways to keep the cash flowing in while been open... i don't know... the closed source model is very easy to understand and we are used to it... so thats why lots people believe in that... still

about zend.. well i started php before three four weeks ago... hehe lolz i know that zend was invented by two farther figures of PHP and thats all... :)

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 12:35 PM

well the truth as i understand it is this... nor linux or windwos are secure out of the box... it is upto the admin to do the hardening...

but the interesting this is that... when it comes to windows... there is a limit for the admin... he can't patch code... he can't remove parts of the code... he can't compile the code with custom options in the compiler to increase security.. he can't make his own hacks to his server's code base.... and the list goes on...

but when it is open source... you can do all of the above... the admin have far more power in linux than in windows, why? cause linux is open and windows is not.

when a bug is discovered for windows... you have to wait for a fix from MS, which takes a lot of time and stuff.. simply ur so depended on them! but when u are using linux its not like that... even if redhat vanished today u can still run a nice redhat server... still patching it... still updating it... cause the code is there for you.

so my point is when it comes to security and everything else... windows is much limited and linux is unlimited and it can be unleashed as your hart wishes!!!

yeah linux has far more superior customization due to open source nature. But still windows can be customized to most tasks and security issues too. May be from the OS or from 3rd party software or tweaking stuff. And i haven't seen Redhat officially releasing patches faster than MS too.

But the point is we should look from more large extend everybody don’t have high end tech skills and knowledge to customize the code depending on the network and apply patches for it. In my opinion we need more like complete solution that expecting the end user to work for it too. Future is mostly giving complete solutions other than expecting lot from the end user too. :yes:

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 12:52 PM

Elakirith Apache ne,,,, he he...

ya so :D what i know is PHP and i dont have money from a win 2k3 server and learn ASP.net

Anyway for now ASP.net is superior than PHP. Anyway it will be an endless battle too.

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 12:58 PM

He he, as U said there are some + & - points in both windows & linux. There are no 100% perfect things in this world. As I think windows and linux target 2 different groups. Windows targets beginners & PC users while Linux targets Advanced and Server Users....:yes: :yes:
Well there is nothing like they target different groups. Both Windows and Linux try to attract from novice to most advanced power users. :yes:

Kasunm

03-22-2007, 01:08 PM

apo 10 weni pituwata enakam kiyewwa mata dan hathi mama yanawa he he he btw you guys argued over nothing

kudalla

03-22-2007, 01:20 PM

ya so :D what i know is PHP and i dont have money from a win 2k3 server and learn ASP.net

Anyway for now ASP.net is superior than PHP. Anyway it will be an endless battle too.

Eken kamak na, But keep the Elakiri as it is. (With PHP) :D

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 01:41 PM

yeah linux has far more superior customization due to open source nature. But still windows can be customized to most tasks and security issues too. May be from the OS or from 3rd party software or tweaking stuff. And i haven't seen Redhat officially releasing patches faster than MS too.

But the point is we should look from more large extend everybody don’t have high end tech skills and knowledge to customize the code depending on the network and apply patches for it. In my opinion we need more like complete solution that expecting the end user to work for it too. Future is mostly giving complete solutions other than expecting lot from the end user too. :yes:

yes but you know that windows can never be customized as much as linux? well i don't know much about RH... and i was not saying that RH will offer quick updates... RH is a company as well so its limited... but what i was tiring to say was that... when a bug comes out in lets say FF... the FF project's members release a bug fix, a temporary one with in hours! isn't that cool???

now if you have subscribed to some security mailing list such as... bugtrack(security focus....).. you will see that people in the list put bug fixes for open source SW very quickly after some exploit comes out. thats possible because all the people have access to the source code. you can't imagine something like that in windows!

well the truth is that there are no complete solutions!!! if someone tells you that they have one they are lieng! thats what MS has been doing for these years...

and i don't think that MS is offering a complete solution either... even if u have a win server, u'll have to setup a firewall, you'll have to setup a IDS... etc etc... i mean its just a part of sys administration....

well i know that some distros tend to be somewhat 'incomplete'... but there are good ones emerging... try some different distros... you'll find a cool one... most of those distros that are backed by commercial support are complete systems.... like they have done a grate deal of work for you.... and i think they genaraly do it better than MS...

and if you are talking about the future... well when linux first came out as a baby... and when there was so little GNU feelings around... there were so many giant MS like corporations who made server OSs... and they all lost there market share.... and linux gained! and it is still gaining..... in a unbelievable speed. just look around you... everything has changed... i mean most of em have...

just look at google, yahoo... they have enough cash! but they use open source! why? cause they know they are better off with open source rather than anyother :)

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 01:46 PM

ya so :D what i know is PHP and i dont have money from a win 2k3 server and learn ASP.net

Anyway for now ASP.net is superior than PHP. Anyway it will be an endless battle too.

well, i think that ASP is a good choice if you are using IIS as your web server... or else hehe :) there are more than enough better stuff out there!

php is easy, fast and ok... so its the genaral choice.. but if you are a expert i guess u are better off with something like perl or C!!! which are really really fast... hehe...

and again... google is using ajax, java, phython... all of em are open source... asp is... hmmm... like.... GW Bush ;)

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 01:50 PM

Well there is nothing like they target different groups. Both Windows and Linux try to attract from novice to most advanced power users. :yes:

the thing is windows is a MS's product and it tries to attract people in to it cause then they can gain more profits... but when u take linux.. its not a single company or anything like that... its a community of people and companies.. so it targets whatever the community or the companies want... and thats why linux is everywhere... if you want it to be in some place it will be there.... etc.. it in ur PC, its in ur Router.. its in ur phone!, its in ur ipod, its in NASA, its in space, its in PS3s, its in all most anywhere you want it to be! hehe... linux is ultra portable...

gayannr

03-22-2007, 02:49 PM

What is the final result.FOSS or MS.lets hv a poll ne isnt it GTRZ

gayannr

03-22-2007, 02:51 PM

ya so :D what i know is PHP and i dont have money from a win 2k3 server and learn ASP.net

Anyway for now ASP.net is superior than PHP. Anyway it will be an endless battle too.
so y dont u think dat foss is most suitable for countries like us(3rd world countries.u'll definetly Accept dat):D :D

MCLINER

03-22-2007, 02:52 PM

ya so :D what i know is PHP and i dont have money from a win 2k3 server and learn ASP.net

Anyway for now ASP.net is superior than PHP. Anyway it will be an endless battle too.
bt most of da sites are created with PHP

gayannr

03-22-2007, 03:01 PM

bt most of da sites are created with PHP
thats correct i agree with u:rolleyes:

MCLINER

03-22-2007, 03:06 PM

thats correct i agree with u:rolleyes:
so dat means PHP is also in a superior position.

Even big companies use PHP fr their web sites

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 03:08 PM

yes PHP is the best option for most people... and it is growing like hell

MCLINER

03-22-2007, 03:09 PM

yes PHP is the best option for most people... and it is growing like hell
yep im also using php

gayannr

03-22-2007, 03:11 PM

hey this is some suse 10.1 screen shots (XGL)
it much compressed n dnt get misundrstnd

http://gayannr.googlepages.com/SuseLinux1.jpg:shocked:

http://gayannr.googlepages.com/SuseLinux2.jpg
:shocked: :shocked:
http://gayannr.googlepages.com/SuseLinux3.jpg:shocked: :shocked:
nice! isnt it

MCLINER

03-22-2007, 03:13 PM

hmm ive seen dose

gayannr

03-22-2007, 03:19 PM

anybody seen dose?

MCLINER

03-22-2007, 03:24 PM

anybody seen dose?
:yes::yes:

gayannr

03-22-2007, 03:33 PM

:yes::yes:
hey anyone else you macho?:yes: :yes:

tckrockz

03-22-2007, 03:39 PM

ade ela neee gota try suse

fazaal24

03-22-2007, 03:42 PM

hmmm,,,,,lets tryy

kisanka_gr

03-22-2007, 03:53 PM

linux is developed by engineer especially for the use of engineers, as engineers are out there, there will be linux for engineers. but windows is for the general, so it should be easy to use.

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 04:04 PM

cool eh! haha :)

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 04:14 PM

linux is developed by engineer especially for the use of engineers, as engineers are out there, there will be linux for engineers. but windows is for the general, so it should be easy to use.
hmmm not exactly :) but for debian its kinda true.. but still there are normal users who just install dabian and have fun...

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 04:20 PM

hey anyone else you macho?:yes: :yes:

me too...

tckrockz

03-22-2007, 04:23 PM

penumen nam hodai wage

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 07:29 PM

no!!! ms's strategy is different! they have licensing... and stuff we can never own MS made software.. we can just rent em.... but its not like that with RH.. you can buy a copy and copy it to 100000000000000000 CDs and give it to any one you like.. its legal!!! but if you do that to some MS software then its software piracy! and you are a pirate for doing that!!! ehhe....

RH's strategy is to charge for the services... and they are not evil as you think... :)

man! do you really have people like that??? hehe we srilankans never grow up! :) well i was not talking about those type of people!!! WSO2 make software that is in apache... and they do make middleware... they are global... they were even in TV ART and ETV.. the rezone for been in TV was that they were earning so much profits!!! the guy who is the head in that is a famous guy(search for sanjeewa sl open source sri lanka)... the company is a SL one...

Well redhat not expecting anything like you mean just check redhat hosting they bill you for OS and even on Redhat site they say on their purchasing guide..

"Red Hat Enterprise Linux is offered on a fully-inclusive, per-system, annual subscription basis. So it's simple to purchase."

Yeah i know lot of people who do that linux smuggle :D anyway happy for atleast few of those FOSS people who doing a great job out there. Anyway the concept you are talking also kinda pay software coz its kinda combination of giving something free and asking to buy if you want something more or for maintenance of the system. I think .net server developers who did Community Server project gave the basic software for free. :yes:

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 07:29 PM

well its like this.. if the whole world was smart they would all use open source ;) hehe lol as the world is not fully smart it not like that... i guess you can treat that as a joke :)

yeah i missed your point! sorry about that.. yeah i know most of the people just cant figure out how to make money from open source. but lots of people are making money still been open source! so i guess we'll have to invent ways to keep the cash flowing in while been open... i don't know... the closed source model is very easy to understand and we are used to it... so thats why lots people believe in that... still

about zend.. well i started php before three four weeks ago... hehe lolz i know that zend was invented by two farther figures of PHP and thats all... :)

hehe yeah you can't expect the world to be like that so its pointless.
Anyway i never said open source concept should wiped out. what i mean it there should be a balance and all the software can't be open source.
Just as an example i am running some well known software in this server which is the most expensive in it's class. Its a big paid software but its source is open so i can manage it. But there are limitations for what i can manage from the TOS. They find it nothing secret so they show the source but have limitations on their TOS. In other hand there are encoded software which using zend engine so they wanna keep their secrets. Their hard work and research they don't wanna pass it to the competitors. So in my openion developer should have the right to make it open or close. And the buyers can deside they wanna buy it or not.

About the cash flowing concept i think giving the main software free and asking for the payment for the services like giving a carrot with strings attached. To be real i think developing the main software is the biggest and the hardest part so talking it for real, no marketing tricks we give it for the cost involved. Then we give services for free or for a managed cost. If we give the main software free then we have to sell the services in really high price to cover the full cost which is not ethical and fair. Its like a marketing trick to give something free and attract them.

Other thing when the software is free and open source then others can give the service to a reduced price. So you can't guarantee you will make profits coz others will get profit from your main engine which you spent years to build.

In my opinion there should be all open source, closed source, free and paid software. Depending their application and cost involved we should choose the correct method to deliver it in an ethical and progressive way. :yes:

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 07:32 PM

yes but you know that windows can never be customized as much as linux? well i don't know much about RH... and i was not saying that RH will offer quick updates... RH is a company as well so its limited... but what i was tiring to say was that... when a bug comes out in lets say FF... the FF project's members release a bug fix, a temporary one with in hours! isn't that cool???

now if you have subscribed to some security mailing list such as... bugtrack(security focus....).. you will see that people in the list put bug fixes for open source SW very quickly after some exploit comes out. thats possible because all the people have access to the source code. you can't imagine something like that in windows!

well the truth is that there are no complete solutions!!! if someone tells you that they have one they are lieng! thats what MS has been doing for these years...

and i don't think that MS is offering a complete solution either... even if u have a win server, u'll have to setup a firewall, you'll have to setup a IDS... etc etc... i mean its just a part of sys administration....

well i know that some distros tend to be somewhat 'incomplete'... but there are good ones emerging... try some different distros... you'll find a cool one... most of those distros that are backed by commercial support are complete systems.... like they have done a grate deal of work for you.... and i think they genaraly do it better than MS...

and if you are talking about the future... well when linux first came out as a baby... and when there was so little GNU feelings around... there were so many giant MS like corporations who made server OSs... and they all lost there market share.... and linux gained! and it is still gaining..... in a unbelievable speed. just look around you... everything has changed... i mean most of em have...

just look at google, yahoo... they have enough cash! but they use open source! why? cause they know they are better off with open source rather than anyother :)

Well FF project is application software. We were talking about OS and advantages and disadvantages of linux and windows.
But for today MS release the most complete solution. They have all application, office, server, etc.. in a one well compatible solution. I know many linux distros trying to offer something like that which is a good thing. But still linux has long way to go.
Linux mostly gained the market share coz its free, its same like IE gained market share over Netscape. Anyway linux doing it in a good way with open source concept.

Well about Google and Yahoo they using mostly highly modified their versions of software, you can’t say its open source coz they are not going to release it. It may be based of free bsd or unix but its completely modified.
In the other hand try eBay the biggest auction site on the planet and one of the mostly visited sites neat to Yahoo and MSN. Its should be really secure since millions of transactions happen in a single day. They use Windows server software. :)

Anyway I am not bias against windows or Microsoft. I am trying to show the reality coz all the people here talking about linux only and show it like a solid wall while talking about windows like bomb about to explode. So I thought to make it a balance that’s why I’m telling about windows coz you all telling about linux and its no use I’m telling the same thing over again. haha :lol:

GTRZ

03-22-2007, 07:44 PM

well, i think that ASP is a good choice if you are using IIS as your web server... or else hehe :) there are more than enough better stuff out there!

php is easy, fast and ok... so its the genaral choice.. but if you are a expert i guess u are better off with something like perl or C!!! which are really really fast... hehe...

and again... google is using ajax, java, phython... all of em are open source... asp is... hmmm... like.... GW Bush ;)

Well i am not talking about classic ASP which may out run by PHP. I am talking about ASP.net which is faster, less number of lines of codes to make, and gives far more performance. I saw some dudes on a tech blog trying to run PHP on .net server to get the performace.

Anyway it will be an endless battle PHP may find ways then ASP again....
Most stuff developed to run on .net framework are free and open source too. you can search about that. Microsoft also did great work for developing Ajax to this level.

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 09:21 PM

Well redhat not expecting anything like you mean just check redhat hosting they bill you for OS and even on Redhat site they say on their purchasing guide..

"Red Hat Enterprise Linux is offered on a fully-inclusive, per-system, annual subscription basis. So it's simple to purchase."

Yeah i know lot of people who do that linux smuggle :D anyway happy for atleast few of those FOSS people who doing a great job out there. Anyway the concept you are talking also kinda pay software coz its kinda combination of giving something free and asking to buy if you want something more or for maintenance of the system. I think .net server developers who did Community Server project gave the basic software for free. :yes:
well u can go to the redhat's site and register for a account which is free, and then try a 'demo'. the demo is the full server with a limited subscription.and hey its not smuggling! its leagal, sharing... its sharing stuff with your friends.. and the GPL says that people should be able to share the SW... so its supposed to happen and its leagal...

what RH is really selling is there subscription service, so you get the support and the updates... so thats it. its not that RH is keeping some parts of the system away until you pay them. its just they are getting paid for the service they provide...

the community server stuff may be free as in free beer but its not free as in freedom! they don't give you the source, do they? its just freeware... community stuff is the responce to linux from MS.. they feel the vibes of linux :)

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 09:41 PM

hehe yeah you can't expect the world to be like that so its pointless.
Anyway i never said open source concept should wiped out. what i mean it there should be a balance and all the software can't be open source.
Just as an example i am running some well known software in this server which is the most expensive in it's class. Its a big paid software but its source is open so i can manage it. But there are limitations for what i can manage from the TOS. They find it nothing secret so they show the source but have limitations on their TOS. In other hand there are encoded software which using zend engine so they wanna keep their secrets. Their hard work and research they don't wanna pass it to the competitors. So in my openion developer should have the right to make it open or close. And the buyers can deside they wanna buy it or not.

About the cash flowing concept i think giving the main software free and asking for the payment for the services like giving a carrot with strings attached. To be real i think developing the main software is the biggest and the hardest part so talking it for real, no marketing tricks we give it for the cost involved. Then we give services for free or for a managed cost. If we give the main software free then we have to sell the services in really high price to cover the full cost which is not ethical and fair. Its like a marketing trick to give something free and attract them.

Other thing when the software is free and open source then others can give the service to a reduced price. So you can't guarantee you will make profits coz others will get profit from your main engine which you spent years to build.

In my opinion there should be all open source, closed source, free and paid software. Depending their application and cost involved we should choose the correct method to deliver it in an ethical and progressive way. :yes:

well well, you have strong point when say that sometimes people have to keep there source closed to stop others in the same industry spying on em.. yea like google guys... i mean they have the best searching algorhythems.. so they produce best results.. and if they put it out then yahoo and all the other people will look in to it and will learn there secrets :) but well i personally think that u should make money from innovation where there are no secrets... the only trade secret will be the fact that there is no secret!!! lol hehe.. but that stratergy of mine is yet to be tested... im 19 still and if i ever get rich when i get older then you can think that my stratergy is correct. if not ithin sorry thama! :)

and well hey... u can't do that markerting tricks with the GPL.. the open source license(the most populer one)... u can't keep parts of the SW with you until ur customers pay money or anything like that... and i don't think any OS company is doing that... what most people do is.. they give the lateset version for some money and make the other avilible for free... or stuff like that..

and no! people won't benifit from coping your code and reselling it... for cheaper prices... because when its OS you normaly don't sell the code. you sell the service. and yes another company can also offer the same service. and that does happen in the world. but then the company who made the SW has developers who really know about the SW. so customers favor em over the other.. so they earn more...

and most of the open source projects are not started from scrach... they are depending on some more FOSS... so its not that hard to develop a system like in closed source. and thats another grate benifit of open source, you don't have to reinvent the wheel when you are tring to build a car!!! but if it is a closed system, you have to develop the system from the start... its a lot of work and most of that work is not really needed! its such a waste!!! it won't happen if the project was OS.

There are some main OS people who have ur idea,,, that all kinds of SW should co exist... well i have no problem with that! hehe.. i just think that OS leads over thee others!

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 09:55 PM

Well i am not talking about classic ASP which may out run by PHP. I am talking about ASP.net which is faster, less number of lines of codes to make, and gives far more performance. I saw some dudes on a tech blog trying to run PHP on .net server to get the performace.

Anyway it will be an endless battle PHP may find ways then ASP again....
Most stuff developed to run on .net framework are free and open source too. you can search about that. Microsoft also did great work for developing Ajax to this level.

well yar i just can't feel ok with MS!!! hehe, they are so kinky! they always try all the tricks on you. they want to own you... they and there ugly lawyers! :growl: evil... MS is evil..

anyways.. what do you think about asp compared with c? ha? :) hehe c out runs asp... but of course non of us is gonna code in c all the time eh? hehe.. well php 5 is much faster! if you are using that zend people's some engine that some kind of cashes stuff... or something like that... PHP will be much much faster! hehe...

my main point is this... MS is a company and the community is not. so the company 's main objective is to make money. but the community's main objective is to get the best software not money... if MS can sell u some shit for money they will do that! but now days thanks to linux and stuff they are forced to improve there products. do you think that if it weren't linux MS would concentrate so much on security and stuff? if linux werent there they will make hackers some terrorists.. and just blaim security on em and wait doing nothing... so open source is having a really positive effect on all of us. and i took FF as a example... any OS system including linux is made out of so many tiny programs... which are managed but individual projects and people... so when something goes wrong they respond to it... not linux kernel team or the redhat people... they may do some temp hack though ...

and now i know some people think why these guys speak so much about linux, all the time!!! it simply cause you get so satisfied with it... and then u just can't help advocating it... linux is not perfect! no its not. but its better than any closed sourced OS...

dineitdark

03-22-2007, 10:07 PM

Well FF project is application software. We were talking about OS and advantages and disadvantages of linux and windows.
But for today MS release the most complete solution. They have all application, office, server, etc.. in a one well compatible solution. I know many linux distros trying to offer something like that which is a good thing. But still linux has long way to go.
Linux mostly gained the market share coz its free, its same like IE gained market share over Netscape. Anyway linux doing it in a good way with open source concept.

Well about Google and Yahoo they using mostly highly modified their versions of software, you can’t say its open source coz they are not going to release it. It may be based of free bsd or unix but its completely modified.
In the other hand try eBay the biggest auction site on the planet and one of the mostly visited sites neat to Yahoo and MSN. Its should be really secure since millions of transactions happen in a single day. They use Windows server software. :)

Anyway I am not bias against windows or Microsoft. I am trying to show the reality coz all the people here talking about linux only and show it like a solid wall while talking about windows like bomb about to explode. So I thought to make it a balance that’s why I’m telling about windows coz you all telling about linux and its no use I’m telling the same thing over again. haha :lol:

i think that linux has more completeness than windows.. well tell me something that linux don't have? just tell me? hehe linux have everything... distro guys sucks some how somewhere but don't blaim it on linux.... it have a sooo complete set of SWs than any other closed source OS,, well now there may be some 1, or 3 kinds of apps that s only there for windows but.. linux has everthing.... otherwise i would not be runing it... i mean i still do all the stuff that i did with windows. and know what? i do more than that, while having a lot of fun!

hehe but yeah sometimes you have to do a lot of work just to get your sound working...etc etc... but its the fault of the HW manifactores... not the fault of linux.

and FF is a OpenSource project, and so is SSH, ProFTPD, Postfix, apache, samba.... so these little projects build up the whole OS... and when a bug comes out its iether a bug in one of these projects or in the kernel or in a distribution(where the way stuff integrated or the default configs have the problem)... so then most of these project respond just like FF do... its so simple ;)

gayannr

03-23-2007, 11:28 PM

penumen nam hodai wage
machan not just the way its luk likes.wada karaddi maara lesie ban:D :yes:

dineitdark

03-24-2007, 12:36 AM

i just finished installing Beryl! its soooooooooo elakiri ban!!!

GNS

03-24-2007, 05:53 AM

GNS

03-24-2007, 06:01 AM

I Like Linux (to learn & understand) But my LankaBELL HuaWei CDMA phone doesn't have drivers ne...

So I won't B able 2 connect 2 da Net///

gayannr

03-24-2007, 07:03 AM

I Like Linux (to learn & understand) But my LankaBELL HuaWei CDMA phone doesn't have drivers ne...

So I won't B able 2 connect 2 da Net///

machan linux has drivers for CityLink CDMA 4n.may have lankaBell Huawei drivers also,drivers mean you have to select the modem as like a port(as tty01,tty 02,tty03 like that)so one of that will definetly work:D :yes: :yes: :yes: .
and dont hesitate to use linux.i think u know abt Linux live CDs.
visit
http://shipit.ubuntu.com
and order ur free Ubuntu linux CDs.have a try with that live CD version.u dont have to install it ne.Give a try
and I've got the SUSE 10.1 DVD.U can just download SUSE10.2 DVD from Novell.com and try.

blackroses

03-24-2007, 07:39 AM

wat abt yahoo widgetz ????

Anusha

03-24-2007, 07:49 AM

wat abt yahoo widgetz ????
Not supported at the moment.

GNS

03-24-2007, 09:13 PM

anyway, Biggest Problem is Drivers dearth...

Anusha

03-24-2007, 09:38 PM

anyway, Biggest Problem is Drivers dearth...
And out-of-the-box slowness.

zCexVe

03-24-2007, 10:34 PM

anyway, Biggest Problem is Drivers dearth...
Drivers rnt a prob.Its linux ne.U dont wait till they release a driver.In Galle ma frnds use those CDMAs to browse net..Just join a newsgroup in google or yahoo frm LK about linux and/or FOSS.They r now making windows Sinhala and Ubuntu sinhala versions too.Just ask a newsgruop member for the driver and u'll get it the day after.Many Software engineeers are in those groups so dont worry.

kisanka_gr

03-24-2007, 11:45 PM

my connection is through a Suntel CDMA, so i think it will definetly work for LankaBell.
anyway i m using SUSE and connection is bit faster than Windows

GNS

03-25-2007, 04:40 AM

dineitdark

03-25-2007, 02:56 PM

wat abt yahoo widgetz ????
you have stuff like GNOME widgetz...etc these stuff were with linux long ago... and well before yahoo introduced its widgetz...

don't worry you will find a lot widgetz.... its endless :)

dineitdark

03-25-2007, 02:58 PM

anyway, Biggest Problem is Drivers dearth...
in the start it seems like that... but you will find out that you can run linux on anything... for anything.... people figure out ways to do stuff everyday... im sure you will be able to get your stuff working.... or may be not... but its worth a try :)

dineitdark

03-25-2007, 03:00 PM

Drivers rnt a prob.Its linux ne.U dont wait till they release a driver.In Galle ma frnds use those CDMAs to browse net..Just join a newsgroup in google or yahoo frm LK about linux and/or FOSS.They r now making windows Sinhala and Ubuntu sinhala versions too.Just ask a newsgruop member for the driver and u'll get it the day after.Many Software engineeers are in those groups so dont worry.
don't forget www.linux.lk they have a mailing list as well... join in and put your questions to them...

and i have seen a lot of people using there CDMAs with linux... don't worry it works... there were some blogs(SL ones) in the net... telling stuff about browsing net with CDMA + linux....

dineitdark

03-25-2007, 03:03 PM

Can U find one for me?

'cos I just wanna test linux...
get a main stream distro and try running it... live of course :) and then try to get your modem working... and then if you get errors... ask people why? and give them the errors.. so they can help you out...

or else find some guy using linux and ask him to come to your house or whatever and install it for you.. thats the easy way :) hehe....

GNS

03-25-2007, 03:27 PM

But I can't understand how System works. How to Install Soft. to where they install... etx;

dineitdark

03-26-2007, 01:40 AM

But I can't understand how System works. How to Install Soft. to where they install... etx;
now it simple. you don't have to install anything at all to try linux! its risk free ;) hehe.. downlaod a linux live cd. and burn the ISO to a CD. then boot the computer with the CD. then your computer will start linux! it wont install anything! no! so you don;t have to worry about any data loss or anything. and if like it. u can then install it.

dineitdark

03-26-2007, 01:45 AM

And out-of-the-box slowness.
Really? well i don't know... but for me linux was much faster than XP out of the box. anyways i removed some unwanted stuff from it... and then it got even faster!!! :) hmmmmm now its damn fast :)

chanster

04-11-2008, 10:25 PM

You people are shouting because you don't have enough hardware to run Vista....Any P3 machine with 512 ram can run those free OSs......
I agree with Anusha i also tried all those open source and used only for about a hour.....It sucked so badly.....

Think you have a Q6600,P35 mobo,2gig ram,8800GT,Sound blaster X-Fi and if you are using linux on that rig what the hell can u do with those components?
Well get linux if you don't want to play Crysis,dirt do proper 3D animation,watch a movie with DTS/DTS ES etc etc........

Get windows if you want to do the above and MORE!!!

henderson

04-12-2008, 12:40 AM

If Windows was free, I don't think anyone will use Linux.

but its free ne, I did not pay a cent for my copy :lol:

henderson

04-12-2008, 12:43 AM

yeah. who need vista wen we hav same features with Linux.

there is a big drawback in Linux, it does not support games or games does not support linux.

dineitdark

04-12-2008, 12:47 AM

hey guys, windows and linux both have there pros and cons. linux is a very powerful system that is capable of everything that windows is capeble and more! but it lacks support as it is not the mainstream OS. and when you say free it means more than free as in 0.00RS. in fact this is the whole thing behind open source. its something called freedom.

henderson

04-12-2008, 12:49 AM

what do mean by its cool but thats all??? linux got it all(or at least most of it.. like 99% :) ) ....

tell what vista has and linux don't???(apart from the fact that vista has a lot bugs, and its soooo hoggy on your RAM, eats 400MB+ all the time!!! :) )

DirectX

dineitdark

04-12-2008, 12:51 AM

DirectX is a MS technoogy. it serves a purpose in that OS. just like that linux have stuff that serves the specific purpose etc OpenGL.... and many more

henderson

04-12-2008, 12:56 AM

DirectX is a MS technoogy. it serves a purpose in that OS. just like that linux have stuff that serves the specific purpose etc OpenGL.... and many more

you are correct, but I think almost all good games (not craps) are using DirectX, so if you need to play some games you can't use Linux. May be linux may be the best solution for servers but not for gamers.

dineitdark

04-12-2008, 01:04 AM

you are correct, but I think almost all good games (not craps) are using DirectX, so if you need to play some games you can't use Linux. May be linux may be the best solution for servers but not for gamers.
for gamers yes i think you are better off with windows. but linux is good for many more things than just servers. lots of people use it in so many different ways.

and there are solutions that enable you to play at least some of the most popular games in linux.
ex:- cedega

following are some of the most popular games that you can play on linux through cedega

http://games.cedega.com/gamesdb/

* Civilization IV: Beyond The Sword
* Football Manager 2008
* The Witcher
* Medal of Honor: Airborne
* Europa Universalis III
* Call Of Duty 4 Modern Warfare
* Trackmania United
* Jack Kaene
* Supreme Commander
* DTM Race Driver 3

henderson

04-12-2008, 01:08 AM

for gamers yes i think you are better off with windows. but linux is good for many more things than just servers. lots of people use it in so many different ways.

and there are solutions that enable you to play at least some of the most popular games in linux.
ex:- cedega

following are some of the most popular games that you can play on linux through cedega

http://games.cedega.com/gamesdb/

* Civilization IV: Beyond The Sword
* Football Manager 2008
* The Witcher
* Medal of Honor: Airborne
* Europa Universalis III
* Call Of Duty 4 Modern Warfare
* Trackmania United
* Jack Kaene
* Supreme Commander
* DTM Race Driver 3

that's pretty impressive list of course, is the same windows copy can be played using cedega? or is there different version for linux?

dineitdark

04-12-2008, 01:11 AM

that's pretty impressive list of course, is the same windows copy can be played using cedega? or is there different version for linux?
ASFAIK you have to have the windows copy and a cedega installation.... im not a gamer :) so i really don't know much about these, but i am sure that this URL can give you more info

http://www.transgaming.com/products/cedega/

henderson

04-12-2008, 01:15 AM

ASFAIK you have to have the windows copy and a cedega installation.... im not a gamer :) so i really don't know much about these, but i am sure that this URL can give you more info

http://www.transgaming.com/products/cedega/

ok, thanx.

henderson

04-12-2008, 01:17 AM

And quick question, is it possible to work SLI or Crossfire with Linux?

AlienX

04-12-2008, 01:27 AM

yes,u are correct.best things in the world are always free.......

sure da... ??? :lol::lol::lol:. Dont make stupid statements mate :P :P :rofl:

p.s. - I hate vista too but thats not becuase suse is better, thats because XP rules everything out :)

Cheers,
http://www.elakiri.com/forum/images/icons/sq/11.gif

dineitdark

04-12-2008, 01:37 AM

And quick question, is it possible to work SLI or Crossfire with Linux?
it should be. nividia always had good driver support for linux and after AMD took ATI they even promised open source drivers! so i think yes.

dineitdark

04-12-2008, 01:38 AM

sure da... ??? :lol::lol::lol:. Dont make stupid statements mate :P :P :rofl:

p.s. - I hate vista too but thats not becuase suse is better, thats because XP rules everything out :)

Cheers,
http://www.elakiri.com/forum/images/icons/sq/11.gif
in one's point of view "the best is free" can be very true.

kasuncs

04-12-2008, 01:41 AM

dineitdark

04-12-2008, 01:46 AM

Hw abt OpenGL?
Problem is video card is designed for directX. Then wine.............
i think wine support directx emulation to some extent at least.

kasuncs

04-12-2008, 02:03 AM

i think wine support directx emulation to some extent at least.
1nrx4-5ZVmg
Half-Life 2 game on wine

dineitdark

04-12-2008, 07:39 AM

@kasuncs CS Source is also a popular candidate ;)

yasiru1

04-12-2008, 09:14 AM

linus wala thama bugs wadie

henderson

04-12-2008, 10:49 AM

Another downside of Linux is difficulty of configuration and UI's are not that user friendly. I have very good experience in this when we are going to configure samba server, configuration is very very difficult. We have tried few time and let it go after few unsuccessful attempts. Now if we mistakenly type the address of that Linux server to access shared files, like we connect to windows file sharing servers. The windows machine who's trying to access that linux server gets restart. Windows is much easy to configure than linux. Still linux laks very rich configuration interfaces and Wizards.

gayannr

04-12-2008, 10:59 AM

nagaya

04-12-2008, 11:02 AM

why not eh? u have to use linux and see what it really means.... no anti virus... faster... so customizerble so many apps... so many choices... ant not to mention the security!!! hehehe... well god bless all those windows users... there are so many exploits in the wild... zero day vanu... you'll all just have to depend on one company! hehe.. and know what companies want money... its simple eh?

i got a winxp license with my lap... so i've paid for that shit already... but don't use it. know why.. cause i think that linux is much much better...

and linux is better not because its not windows... or not because its just free(as in free beer).. but because it is free as in freedom, simply its open source and there are so many people out there improving it all the time... so its simple... any propertary os will never ever beat it cause of that... its just a matter concept... :)

well whatever... i use linux and i am soooo happy with it... i damn hosted my own web site with a forum in it, on my lap!!! i would not have done that if it was not running linux yar...

just look at elakiri... even its running open source! ;)
maxxa talka macho kate masuran danna watinawa;i've installed Mandiriva 2008.0 and wanna check this nw ;thanks macho

I :love: LINUX

henderson

04-12-2008, 11:03 AM

Linux is not for n00bs like you:P:P:P:frown:

Don't forget 90% of PC users are n00bs like me, not pro's like you. According to you definetly linux is for limited set of people. Linux can't replace windows according to what you say.

nagaya

04-12-2008, 11:04 AM

Linux is not for n00bs like you:P:P:P:frown:
yeah it for PROs like us neda macho

nagaya

04-12-2008, 11:07 AM

Don't forget 90% of PC users are n00bs like me, not pro's like you. According to you definetly linux is for limited set of people. Linux can't replace windows according to what you say.
don't be silly macho.can't u remeber the time we used DOS?linux is much better and hard kernel ne;

nagaya

04-12-2008, 11:09 AM

pga

04-12-2008, 11:09 AM

henderson

04-12-2008, 11:10 AM

:no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no: :no:

some times linux is more user friendly than windows.

sometimes yeah, but most of the times no

Anusha

04-12-2008, 11:11 AM

yeah it for PROs like us neda macho
Ane maha loku pro :P

nagaya

04-12-2008, 11:12 AM

Ane maha loku pro :P
palayan ban ai pro thama :P

henderson

04-12-2008, 11:12 AM

WoW!! OPENGL is much better than Directx crap;

it may be better but it doesn't matter its better or not, most of the games are for directX not for OpenGL. So even we asume OpenGL is the best. With no games to play with it, it is useless.

Anusha

04-12-2008, 11:13 AM

palayan ban ai pro thama :P
Pro la gihin Linux paawichchi karanna.:P

nagaya

04-12-2008, 11:14 AM

it may be better but it doesn't matter its better or not, most of the games are for directX not for OpenGL. So even we asume OpenGL is the best. With no games to play with it, it is useless.
who says ?most games supports both but the thing is they are compiled for win

gayannr

04-12-2008, 11:15 AM

Don't forget 90% of PC users are n00bs like me, not pro's like you. According to you definetly linux is for limited set of people. Linux can't replace windows according to what you say.
ok it may be like Rocket Science to some people,what to do,can't help there
P.S. about that Samba server thingy.... It didnt take even 5 mins for me.:D

nagaya

04-12-2008, 11:16 AM

Pro la gihin Linux paawichchi karanna.:P
kiyanakan aiye hitiye :P

nagaya

04-12-2008, 11:16 AM

ok it may be like Rocket Science to some people,what to do,can't help there
P.S. about that Samba server thingy.... It didnt take even 5 mins for me.:D
yeah macho i love LAMP than XAMP

Malinga

04-12-2008, 11:17 AM

thava godak kal yai windows vage vennanum linux. mona linux version eka vunath laksha sankayath windows application valata sahayak nodakvanakan janapriyathaavayak labaganna ithaama apahasui.

henderson

04-12-2008, 11:19 AM

who says ?most games supports both but the thing is they are compiled for win

very well, so you have to get source codes of the game to compile for linux or you need to request form game producer for game complied for linux. But I find its bit difficult.

pga

04-12-2008, 11:19 AM

sometimes yeah, but most of the times no

configuring samba via GUI is not a difficult task ne machan.
but it may vary according to the Linux distro

Anusha

04-12-2008, 11:19 AM

who says ?most games supports both but the thing is they are compiled for win
Most games don't support both! Games use specific engines, and engines are written for one platform.

gayannr

04-12-2008, 11:20 AM

thava godak kal yai windows vage vennanum linux. mona linux version eka vunath laksha sankayath windows application valata sahayak nodakvanakan janapriyathaavayak labaganna ithaama apahasui.
:lol: ube dad Martin wickramasinghe da ban :lol:
kiyana deyak therenna kiyapanko,wadi sinhala nathuwa :rofl:

henderson

04-12-2008, 11:21 AM

ok it may be like Rocket Science to some people,what to do,can't help there
P.S. about that Samba server thingy.... It didnt take even 5 mins for me.:D

Rocket science is for very very little people. And about Samba may be you have done it lots of times before. Just like configure FTP service on windows server for me.

henderson

04-12-2008, 11:22 AM

configuring samba via GUI is not a difficult task ne machan.
but it may vary according to the Linux distro

I use Red Hat Enterprise 5

pga

04-12-2008, 11:25 AM

I use Red Hat Enterprise 5

so that distro has a GUI for samba ne?

henderson

04-12-2008, 11:28 AM

so that distro has a GUI for samba ne?

it has GUI, its very small GUI. after its configured service is still not working. Thats the issue.

pga

04-12-2008, 11:30 AM

it has GUI, its very small GUI. after its configured service is still not working. Thats the issue.

yes you have to start samba server process. it can be done using another GUI which includes processes as i remember.

henderson

04-12-2008, 11:33 AM

yes you have to start samba server process. it can be done using another GUI which includes processes as i remember.

Its also done. I think still more to do in config files. which i am not expert.

pga

04-12-2008, 11:37 AM

Its also done. I think still more to do in config files. which i am not expert.

that means you have already started smb service under service configuration?
then try to configure firewall and the samba users.
I didnt edit config files when i worked with samba.
http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/images/redhat-config-services.gif

henderson

04-12-2008, 11:39 AM

that means you have already started smb service under service configuration?
http://www.yolinux.com/TUTORIALS/images/redhat-config-services.gif

yeah samba service is running, but it has some issue when one tries to connect to that service using a windows machine windows machine simply crashes, I don't know why it happens.

pga

04-12-2008, 11:41 AM

yeah samba service is running, but it has some issue when one tries to connect to that service using a windows machine windows machine simply crashes, I don't know why it happens.

what was the way used to connect the linux machine?

henderson

04-12-2008, 11:43 AM

what was the way used to connect the linux machine?

just type the ip with two slashes on windows explorer. like connect any other network share

randula01

04-12-2008, 11:44 AM

thanx bro..............

pga

04-12-2008, 11:46 AM

just type the ip with two slashes on windows explorer. like connect any other network share

dont type in windows explorer

type in Run,

\\ip

henderson

04-12-2008, 11:50 AM

dont type in windows explorer

type in Run,

\\ip

ok, I'll check but i'm not sure it makes a difference bcoz it works for all other shares. Why not for linux. And its really bad that the system is restarting when I tried to connect.

nagaya

04-12-2008, 11:52 AM

it has GUI, its very small GUI. after its configured service is still not working. Thats the issue.
so there prob is not with OS it's upto u

nagaya

04-12-2008, 11:53 AM

thava godak kal yai windows vage vennanum linux. mona linux version eka vunath laksha sankayath windows application valata sahayak nodakvanakan janapriyathaavayak labaganna ithaama apahasui.
ai ban kochchara alternatives thiyenawada;anika win apps ma onenam wine try karapan

ilagata gahana deyak therenna gahapan harida? :P

pga

04-12-2008, 11:53 AM

ok, I'll check but i'm not sure it makes a difference bcoz it works for all other shares. Why not for linux. And its really bad that the system is restarting when I tried to connect.

:) :) :) use Google always. it contains lot of guides regarding smb and other linux things. but when you are searching , use the correct linux distro and version.
good luck

henderson

04-12-2008, 11:54 AM

:) :) :) use Google always. it contains lot of guides regarding smb and other linux things. but when you are searching , use the correct linux distro and version.
god luck

thanks for your help. I will check it

henderson

04-12-2008, 11:56 AM

so there prob is not with OS it's upto u

Its simple GUI and I have configured it properly and still its not working. Then its not up to me, its up to OS.

dineitdark

04-12-2008, 11:07 PM

Its simple GUI and I have configured it properly and still its not working. Then its not up to me, its up to OS.
the open source worls is a very diverse one. there are zillion distros out there and they serves defferent purposes. if you are looking for something that 'works out of the box' give a try to ubuntu. it have a good reputation of been a easy to use distro.

IMHO learning linux is not very hard. it is very simple and modular. and most of the stuff is very documented. linux S/Ws follow the 'KISS' - keep it simple stupid principal most of the time. everything is organized in config files. you can open them and edit them to your needs. but this is of course can be done using GUIs etc etc...

give ubuntu a try you might like it. and in the samba config, did you set the correct workgroup? it might me causing this. hard to say cause windows almost crash for nothing ;) (just kidding hehe)

henderson

04-12-2008, 11:30 PM

the open source worls is a very diverse one. there are zillion distros out there and they serves defferent purposes. if you are looking for something that 'works out of the box' give a try to ubuntu. it have a good reputation of been a easy to use distro.

IMHO learning linux is not very hard. it is very simple and modular. and most of the stuff is very documented. linux S/Ws follow the 'KISS' - keep it simple stupid principal most of the time. everything is organized in config files. you can open them and edit them to your needs. but this is of course can be done using GUIs etc etc...

give ubuntu a try you might like it. and in the samba config, did you set the correct workgroup? it might me causing this. hard to say cause windows almost crash for nothing ;) (just kidding hehe)

Its for coporate server, Ubantu will not suite. I will try the work group thing. Thanx for your advice.