What a Relief Cuz Of UBUNTU!!!

[djmlog103]

As most of us in SL, i too was a guy who was living on a pirated versions xp. And spends countless number of times on the internet to find the best software and the cracks and the serial numbers for it. And when it comes to Windows, No matter what you do there's always a new Virus. and no matter what you do whether you press, HEAL, QUARANTINE, Or DELETE on your virus gaurd, it doesnt seems to go away right? well then there you go and try to find cracks of kaspersky or mcafee on the net or reformatting your hard drive.:growl: . Well i came across with the same problem. And i was doing my coursework in the degree i was following and formatting of the hard drive was not an option.But i had a Ubuntu Live CD. So i thought it cant be that bad, so i tried it, and i was soo impressed with the gui and the fuctionality it had, i mean its soooooooo stable. not like Xp. runs smooth and never crashes.
Now im Using Ubuntu and im glad to say that im independant over windows. Yes, its really hard to hop in to a new OS, but there are lot resources in the Internet where you can get help from forums dedicated to ubuntu and live online help (using IRC).. Getting used to play with ubuntu is the most easiest thing cuz of that.
It has all the things we ever need...
like a cool Chat manager, flv players, media encoders, rippers, media players, supports a lot of media types, and a handy Office manager, lots of programming resources...
with a few adjustments here and there, you could get your ubuntu box the No1 OS ever made.:)
my ubuntu looks more pleasant than XP. and ive full control over how it looks, ive attached a screen shot of my ubuntu desktop.
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[sorry about the quality]

And no operating system is completed without games right?:)
well im playing Warcraft 3, Counter Strike And Unreal Tournament inside ubuntu. They all work smooth.
1439
Nice Eh?
I hope you guys too feel the freedom of FOSS ..:D

[nimaz]

welcome 2 elakiri bro..
keep posting
cheers

[tckrockz]

macho hw dd u vista icons

[djmlog103]

macho hw dd u vista icons

Go to http://www.gnome-look.org/ and get all what you need to upgrade your ubuntu..
there are lots of resources in the internet where you can customize your ubuntus performance and as well as change the way it looks....

[SAN_APIIT]

welcome to elakiri nice post bro and thanks......

[djmlog103]

welcome to elakiri nice post bro and thanks......
atleast i can post something that i know about
:D

[kisanka_gr]

i m using suse, tell me about gaming in ubuntu

[djmlog103]

i m using suse, tell me about gaming in ubuntu
well for instant there are lot of softwares where you can install in linux to use windows applications.
some of them are wine, winex, crossover ofice, and the latest one is cedega..
from these you can either install or run the game copy you have it in windows.

Wine is good for applications. but theoritically not for gaming, but im using it ever since.

Winex is the 3D graphics game supportaed version of Wine. and its recommended by the produces for games

Crossover Office is a stupid software made by someone. well in there you are given preinstalled softwares like officeXp, photoshop, acrobat reader and many more

Cedega is the most improved version ever there for this purpose, supports hudreds of windows dedicated games such as WOW(World Of Warcraft, Batlefield 2.. and etc) (if you can play WOW in linux thats worth it, but the defect of cedega is that its commercial. but there are sites where you can get it for free cuz you know when its comes to open source nothing can be commercial..:)

[kisanka_gr]

thanks machan, i ll try them

[djmlog103]

thanks machan, i ll try them
youre welcome machan, there's no difference in gaming in Suse or either Ubuntu cuz it works all the same as in all linux distros but if you want to stay with the tide, i recomend you use linux cuz the help you can get just in case a problem is endless in the internet, there are dedicated sites and people who are willing to help live through IRC channels totally free...

[dineitdark]

As most of us in SL, i too was a guy who was living on a pirated versions xp. And spends countless number of times on the internet to find the best software and the cracks and the serial numbers for it. And when it comes to Windows, No matter what you do there's always a new Virus. and no matter what you do whether you press, HEAL, QUARANTINE, Or DELETE on your virus gaurd, it doesnt seems to go away right? well then there you go and try to find cracks of kaspersky or mcafee on the net or reformatting your hard drive.:growl: . Well i came across with the same problem. And i was doing my coursework in the degree i was following and formatting of the hard drive was not an option.But i had a Ubuntu Live CD. So i thought it cant be that bad, so i tried it, and i was soo impressed with the gui and the fuctionality it had, i mean its soooooooo stable. not like Xp. runs smooth and never crashes.
Now im Using Ubuntu and im glad to say that im independant over windows. Yes, its really hard to hop in to a new OS, but there are lot resources in the Internet where you can get help from forums dedicated to ubuntu and live online help (using IRC).. Getting used to play with ubuntu is the most easiest thing cuz of that.
It has all the things we ever need...
like a cool Chat manager, flv players, media encoders, rippers, media players, supports a lot of media types, and a handy Office manager, lots of programming resources...
with a few adjustments here and there, you could get your ubuntu box the No1 OS ever made.:)
my ubuntu looks more pleasant than XP. and ive full control over how it looks, ive attached a screen shot of my ubuntu desktop.
1438
[sorry about the quality]

And no operating system is completed without games right?:)
well im playing Warcraft 3, Counter Strike And Unreal Tournament inside ubuntu. They all work smooth.
1439
Nice Eh?
I hope you guys too feel the freedom of FOSS ..:D

woooooooooooooooooow!!!! cool bro! :shocked: :shocked: :shocked: :cool: :cool: :cool:

[dineitdark]

macho hw dd u vista icons
you change almost anything... anything, so icons are nothing!

[dineitdark]

As most of us in SL, i too was a guy who was living on a pirated versions xp. And spends countless number of times on the internet to find the best software and the cracks and the serial numbers for it. And when it comes to Windows, No matter what you do there's always a new Virus. and no matter what you do whether you press, HEAL, QUARANTINE, Or DELETE on your virus gaurd, it doesnt seems to go away right? well then there you go and try to find cracks of kaspersky or mcafee on the net or reformatting your hard drive.:growl: . Well i came across with the same problem. And i was doing my coursework in the degree i was following and formatting of the hard drive was not an option.But i had a Ubuntu Live CD. So i thought it cant be that bad, so i tried it, and i was soo impressed with the gui and the fuctionality it had, i mean its soooooooo stable. not like Xp. runs smooth and never crashes.
Now im Using Ubuntu and im glad to say that im independant over windows. Yes, its really hard to hop in to a new OS, but there are lot resources in the Internet where you can get help from forums dedicated to ubuntu and live online help (using IRC).. Getting used to play with ubuntu is the most easiest thing cuz of that.
It has all the things we ever need...
like a cool Chat manager, flv players, media encoders, rippers, media players, supports a lot of media types, and a handy Office manager, lots of programming resources...
with a few adjustments here and there, you could get your ubuntu box the No1 OS ever made.:)
my ubuntu looks more pleasant than XP. and ive full control over how it looks, ive attached a screen shot of my ubuntu desktop.
1438
[sorry about the quality]

And no operating system is completed without games right?:)
well im playing Warcraft 3, Counter Strike And Unreal Tournament inside ubuntu. They all work smooth.
1439
Nice Eh?
I hope you guys too feel the freedom of FOSS ..:D
hey is that game running natively on linux? or is it running through a emulator???

[djmlog103]

yep. Anything means Anything
including login screens, titlebars, deskbars, splashscreens, icon thmese, mouse pointers,

to tell yall the reality. its better than vista just check these out...
THEMES
http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/32768-1.jpg

WINDOW THEMES
http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/26050-1.png

ICON THEMES
http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/38835-1.png

SPLASH SCREENS
http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/50468-1.jpg

ICON THEMES
http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/27913-1.png

LOGIN SCREENS
http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-pre1/52791-1.jpg

Are you impressed yet?

[djmlog103]

hey is that game running natively on linux? or is it running through a emulator???

UT linux version is also available, the screenshot you see there is from an emulator called Wine. ive already had the windows copy of UT, so i used it with Wine, so you see linix is so flexible that you dont have to get proprietary software only for linux.. you can share the resources of other operating systems. cuz windows operating system thinks that its the only operating system in the world, that is not possible!!!
too bad ne?, but now worries, linux is there to help.. :D

[dineitdark]

UT linux version is also available, the screenshot you see there is from an emulator called Wine. ive already had the windows copy of UT, so i used it with Wine, so you see linix is so flexible that you dont have to get proprietary software only for linux.. you can share the resources of other operating systems. cuz windows operating system thinks that its the only operating system in the world, that is not possible!!!
too bad ne?, but now worries, linux is there to help.. :D
u seems to be really excited about it! hehe... well well.... i guess i know the feeling :)

[dineitdark]

hey people this is the newest version of Ubuntu...feisty! check it out...
http://www.arsgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/feisty-first-look.jpg

http://www.arsgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/feisty-newapps.jpg

note that these are the official look and feel... nothing modified :)

and ubuntu is running on a emulator...

[zCexVe]

hey guys,we hav to pay for the new ubuntu release CDs neda?what happened to that australian billionare?Is he bankrupt?anyway I'm not a coder so I hav to stuck with windows.Now dont come to fight with me telling u can get this and that blah blah coz I knw the stuff.Tell me that r the versions u use came customized or did ya dload and installed the stuff?coz here some kind ppl give us customized ubuntu CDs so we can play mp3,run exes etc.If u got that customized I would like to have a link for it.

[GNS]

Macho, Can U connect to Interet using Ubuntu 6?

But I wanna connect to da Net via a CDMA Phone...

[amila325]

welcome 2 elakiri bro..
keep posting
cheers
?????????????????????????? welcome yako eka May 2006 wala awith thiyenne

[amila325]

hello im gonna put ubuntu to my pc for sure without XP past i used xp and suse but now im gonna have ubuntu oh yeah

[mlakmal]

im stickin wit xp :D hav used redhat 7.1 to lastest ubuntu and centos releases ... and windows xp & mobile rox

[amila325]

im stickin wit xp :D hav used redhat 7.1 to lastest ubuntu and centos releases ... and windows xp & mobile rox
ane ban onna balapan math ubuntu dala software dala ubalata pennanamkoooooooooooooo................

[thusithagh]

ela macho maxxaaa. welcome to elakiri.....

[mlakmal]

ane ban onna balapan math ubuntu dala software dala ubalata pennanamkoooooooooooooo................


ban .... man lynx arm based ewatath dev kara eeeth windows mobile tharan gathiyak naa ...

[djmlog103]

hey guys,we hav to pay for the new ubuntu release CDs neda?what happened to that australian billionare?Is he bankrupt?anyway I'm not a coder so I hav to stuck with windows.Now dont come to fight with me telling u can get this and that blah blah coz I knw the stuff.Tell me that r the versions u use came customized or did ya dload and installed the stuff?coz here some kind ppl give us customized ubuntu CDs so we can play mp3,run exes etc.If u got that customized I would like to have a link for it.

It was a South African Billianoare machan..
No that not true cuz in the ubuntu Oath they have said that they're never going to commercialize ubuntu.. so i think they'll stick to there plan. If you want to get free ubuntu cd, go the site and click on SHIP IT link. or you can just use this..
https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ :D

Yes there are customized ubuntu version, but i dont think that they're selling those here in SL. but if you want a customized ubuntu which will have
all the codecs
read write access to windows partition
other cool softwares.
i suggest you use Ultimate ubuntu Edition. Its a preinstalled ubuntu system that does wonders. Ive introduced in some of my friends who doesnt know nothing about about linux and they're working in it as much as i do now. And if youre a gamer. Use Ultimate ubuntu Gamers Edition. It has some of the coolest games..
the

here are the pre installed softwares in the ultimate edition
* New theme / splash screen / wallpaper
* VCD Gear debian style
* Subversion & build tools
* Wireless Internet integration
* Bluetooth integration
* PPP integration
* Networking tools
* 35 Additional fonts
* Tons more themes
* Repository driven Beryl
* New sounds theme
* Integrated Custom repository support
* All current Updates 158 at time of posting
* IPod support
* Beagle
* Gramps - Genealogy software (thanks poweruser2600)
* Legends - Video Game
* Kapote - Instant Messenger
* Integrated codecs (the good the bad & the ugly)
* Mplayer, VLC, Songbird & Amarok players with mp3 support
* Mencoder, K9Copy, DeVeDE, DVD Shrink - dvd copying software.
* Integrated Nvidia drivers (will work with other cards)
* Automatix 2 & Automatix Bleeder (in case you want additional software)
* Gaim beta 5 & plugins
* GFTP - FTP Client
* KVIrc - IRC Client
* Additional Themes, icons, cursors & logins
* XSnow
* Samba
* NFS
* EasyTag - MP3 Tag Editor
* GDesklets
* Inkscape - 2D vector drawing
* Screem - HTML Editor
* Gambas - Programing environment
* QEMU & Kqemu Accelerator - Emulation
* Screem - HTML Editor
* Avidemux - Avi (divx /xvid) editor
* GDesklets - Eyecandy & info
* NTFS read / write support
* Lamp - web server (Apache2, mysql, PHP5)
* phpmyadmin
* Azureus - P2P software
* MS core Font's and extra fonts
* Wine - Windows emulation (always newest version - through repo)
* Alien - Allows installation of foriegn packages (RPM, suse etc)
* Gobby Team programing software
* Ksnapshot - Screen capture software
* Google Picasa - Graphic editing software
* Frostwire Pro - P2P software
* Kolourpaint - Graphic editing software
* Qcad - Autocad wannabe
* Archive Suite - virtually any archive can be handled.
* Ajunta IDE - Programing environment
* Bluefish - HTML Editor
* Glade - Interface designer
* Gtranslator
* Bit Tornado - P2P Software
* Amule - P2P software
* Kino - Flick editor
* Audacity - Sound editor
* Debian Menu (pdmenu)
* Dvdrip - Dvd ripping software
* Democracy Player
* Listen Media Manager
* Steamripper
* Ilinux (banshee)
* Gnucash - Financial software
* Aria - Download manager
* Build Essentials and make utility's
* Quanta Plus and extras - HTML Editor
* Graveman - burning software
* New Grub splash screen and animated "very pretty" boot up screen
* Bum - Boot-up manager
* Sum - Startup manager (newer improved version gtk and terminal based)
* Istanbul - Live screen capture
* Ghex - Hex editor
* Gourmet - Recipe manager
* Isomaster - CD / DVD ISO editor
* GPHPEdit - PHP Editor
* Kino - Clip editor
* Aria - Download manager
* Democracy - Movie streamer
* ClamAV - Anti-virus software
* Listen - Media manager
* DVD|RIP - Dvd ripping software
* Lifrea - RSS feed reader
* Brasero - Disc burning tool
* X-Chat - IRC Client
* QDVDAuthor - DVD authoring software
* SMP Support (dual core CPUS) / works with single core as well
* 121 Additional Updates
* New Grub boot screen
* New theme and animated bootscreen
* New GDM theme
* New splash screen & wallpaper
* Updated Beryl
* Capture card support - TVTime / ATI-All-in-wonder
* Gaim Beta 6 - prebuilt with plugins.
* GKRealm - Realtime hardware monitor
* MGM - Moaning Goat Meter
* Newer Amarok then can be obtained from edgy repos
* Hardinfo - System information
* GTKPod - Ipod Sync software
* HTop - Process viewer
* Sysinfo - System information
* IPodder - Ipod sync software
* XSensors - Hardware sensor software
* Addition networking and wireless tools
* Gpixpod - Photo sync software for Ipod
* IPodslave - an iPod IO slave
* Xpenguins - Thanks Maddog


and although Flash Player, Acrobat Reader are Commercial. You get all of those by using the software Automatix which is inside the Distro. you just have to click on it. :D

here is the link for the ultimate ubuntu edition. its around 1.2gb i think, you can use download managers. its an ISO version, you can just burn it to a dvd
http://www.ksaplanet.com/download/linux/ubuntu-ultimate1.2.iso

and the ultimate gamers edition. this is around 3gb but worth it
http://uu.enarel.eu/iso/ubuntu-ultimate-gamers.iso

i hope this helps...

[djmlog103]

ban .... man lynx arm based ewatath dev kara eeeth windows mobile tharan gathiyak naa ...

Well i certainly dont want to have PDA operating system in my PC. Well if you want to know the mobile side of Linux. now Motorola is using linux based system for there mobile phones which makes it more faster, reliable and patches and virus free. linux will take the mobile world in no time as it did with the PCs.
Just take a look at this. How linux beats windows mobile.
http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8728350077.html

If youre talking about the GUI side of Vista. try the Ultimate ubuntu Edition. That thing beats Vista from a 10mile lead. When i installed it on a laptop of one of my friends in the university, the first thing others asked was "hey is this vista?" im not bluffing about this. just take a look at yourself.

Heres the booting Up
http://ubuntusoftware.info/images/booting.png

Here's the login screen
http://ubuntusoftware.info/images/SleekDragonScreenie.png

Here's what is Inside
http://ubuntusoftware.info/ubuntu_ultimate_gamers/ubuntugamers5.png

[MCLINER]

WOW MAXA ne

ela

[djmlog103]

ane ban onna balapan math ubuntu dala software dala ubalata pennanamkoooooooooooooo................

thats the spirit dude. i mean ive usde XP in the begining too and if youre open minded, and could think out of the box. i think anyone could see the cons and pros of linux and XP. So machan you go on install ubuntu and if you need any help. post in this thread, we'l help you in what ever way. there are a lot of linux guys in this forum one is DINEITDARK. He's one of my bokka fits and knows a lot about ubuntu. and oh ill send you the ubuntu DVD through Hase!!!

[djmlog103]

ela macho maxxaaa. welcome to elakiri.....

thanks machan!!! there a lot of great people out here who are keen to know about new stuff and try them out,this is a cool place. :D

[djmlog103]

Macho, Can U connect to Interet using Ubuntu 6?

But I wanna connect to da Net via a CDMA Phone...

Machan im using an ADSL router to connect to the internet so, ive to search some more about the cdma phone. yeah but its possible to connect..
just go to this thread.. i think itll help you, and the tutorials are easy to follow. if you have anything just ask ok?
GOOD LUCK!!!
http://linuxpakistan.net/wiki/index.php/TelecardGOCDMA

[asangalk]

Hi machangs !

yeh i too use ubuntu ! nice outlook. But its JUST nothing when u compare it with xp :) . I still remember how ridiculous it was when i wanted to setup the system for automatic USB detection with Kubuntu (dapper + Kde).

But If you are an ordinary user who need a pc with free os which can do most of the things what XP does . (or simply if you wanna have XP look at free of cost) Then Ubuntu is a good start.

and the other messy thing with Ubuntu is that they release every 6 months. This means that every 6 months the web is flodded with articles about installing Ubuntu; articles about what’s good, articles about what’s bad, articles about how to fix what’s bad and thereby showing that Ubuntu still is good, articles about upgrading, articles about installing on a clean system, articles about Ubuntu chaning lives, articles about how installing Ubuntu saves a kitten.

he he.

[djmlog103]

Hi machangs !

yeh i too use ubuntu ! nice outlook. But its JUST nothing when u compare it with xp :) . I still remember how ridiculous it was when i wanted to setup the system for automatic USB detection with Kubuntu (dapper + Kde).

But If you are an ordinary user who need a pc with free os which can do most of the things what XP does . (or simply if you wanna have XP look at free of cost) Then Ubuntu is a good start.

and the other messy thing with Ubuntu is that they release every 6 months. This means that every 6 months the web is flodded with articles about installing Ubuntu; articles about what’s good, articles about what’s bad, articles about how to fix what’s bad and thereby showing that Ubuntu still is good, articles about upgrading, articles about installing on a clean system, articles about Ubuntu chaning lives, articles about how installing Ubuntu saves a kitten.

he he.

Youre wrong buddy! the ubuntu has the best USB detection ever and USB tranfer speed is really better than XP. for example Ive a sony ericcson K750i and ifi want to connect it using xp, ive to install the drivers and the proper software in in XP, but in UBUNTU just pug it in and WOLA!!! Its taken!!! and the file transfer is much better than XP, and the samething with Printer. for most USB printers out there in the market, you have to instal the drivers in XP. but that not a problem in Ubuntu . just plug it in, its taken like that!. one of the other reasons i changed from XP to ubuntu was that problem, installing devices. when you install a driver in XP you have to go to the driver providers site and get an update. cuz of ubuntu repotry updates, you get all the updates when they are released, cuz ubuntu updates are maintained the ubuntu team and aswell as the ubuntu community.
So you seee ubuntu is the best when it comes to first hand GUI and device intergration infact ubuntu is all about giving the best perfomance, and the other point is the original ubuntu is not intended for GUI perporses, its mainly for better perfomances.

talking about 6month ne releases, yes they do release frequent versions, and who demands you to install them? the current ubuntu you have in your system will do all the work for you, ubuntu is upgrading cuz of its community, cuz its free and lots of people can make changes to it and make it better,
cuz XP has huge security holes and unstable they have to releases pacthes renamed UPDATES!!!. when you patch a shirt too much, it get ugly and messy and you dont want to use it anymore!

machan ubuntu can do anything and more what XP can, just name anything that you think ubuntu cant do and XP can..?

[asangalk]

I'll start with ,

just name anything that you think ubuntu cant do and XP can..?

I am a .NET developer :) , got it ?
I am a music composer/ DJ :), got it ?
I need Shockwave in webpages :) , got it ?

I can write a HUGE list ! but kind of bussy now.

This is why i have simply dumped ubuntu :)

ubuntu has the best USB detection ever and USB tranfer speed is really better than XP
My friend , You have been truly misguided !! USB transfer speed is OS INDEPENDENT !

Ubuntu default (GNOME) GUI is Flashy , But if you just in love with the Look, Don't use GNOME, Have kubunu or install KDE in ubuntu and see then you will say UBUNTU is the best OS for the coming 4000 Years ! he he.

when you patch a shirt too much, it get ugly and messy and you dont want to use it anymore!

Sorry machang, Doesn't apply to OSs :)

[dineitdark]

Hi machangs !

yeh i too use ubuntu ! nice outlook. But its JUST nothing when u compare it with xp :) . I still remember how ridiculous it was when i wanted to setup the system for automatic USB detection with Kubuntu (dapper + Kde).

But If you are an ordinary user who need a pc with free os which can do most of the things what XP does . (or simply if you wanna have XP look at free of cost) Then Ubuntu is a good start.

and the other messy thing with Ubuntu is that they release every 6 months. This means that every 6 months the web is flodded with articles about installing Ubuntu; articles about what’s good, articles about what’s bad, articles about how to fix what’s bad and thereby showing that Ubuntu still is good, articles about upgrading, articles about installing on a clean system, articles about Ubuntu chaning lives, articles about how installing Ubuntu saves a kitten.

he he.
hehehe... :) for most of the people ubuntu works out of the box... USB worked out of the box for me... and its all fine over here

and ubuntu has a grate pakage system. its lovely... even if u want to upgrade from one version of it to a another... its bloody easy in ubuntu. just think about upgrading from xp to vista??? is that anything near easy??? hehe.. not so in ubuntu.

and hey you know why a lot of documents and stuff are there in the net about ubuntu and all linux and open source stuff... its casue there are a ver active community for open source projects! i don't understand how u c that as an problem??? man i love that fact!

[dineitdark]

I'll start with ,


I am a .NET developer :) , got it ?
I am a music composer/ DJ :), got it ?
I need Shockwave in webpages :) , got it ?

I can write a HUGE list ! but kind of bussy now.

This is why i have simply dumped ubuntu :)


My friend , You have been truly misguided !! USB transfer speed is OS INDEPENDENT !

Ubuntu default (GNOME) GUI is Flashy , But if you just in love with the Look, Don't use GNOME, Have kubunu or install KDE in ubuntu and see then you will say UBUNTU is the best OS for the coming 4000 Years ! he he.



Sorry machang, Doesn't apply to OSs :)

.net altanatives...
open source ones... :) hehe

mono,
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mono-project.com%2FMono%2C_a_technical_whitepaper&ei=WX4HRvHTFIiwsAKi5v1F&usg=__Oj_3ZevG6mfZwDaD_wwDA42z48M=&sig2=tWA1S_EGwJpTUNNMIgVrgQ

eclipse
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eclipse.org%2F&ei=WX4HRvHTFIiwsAKi5v1F&usg=__Gi80-5XpAI040vq7i1B6l2V6lls=&sig2=ThMdnQ9iPOrsbF3yVX0lbg

there are more.... search the net!!!!

Mixxx - Free Digital DJ Software
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmixxx.sourceforge.net%2F&ei=4X4HRvSEKqOGsAK35Y1G&usg=__MPKxQGn3b_xxYuC66DJZxBeDoqM=&sig2=LI0XPW15ePe6Y-Mn3NK4IQ

more mixing stuff
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=open+source+dj+mixing+audio+apps&spell=1

yar there are more than enough apps out there for linux! you just have not seen em yet... :) too bad... take a little time and ask google about open source apps... it will show you heven ;)

[thusithagh]

hey people this is the newest version of Ubuntu...feisty! check it out...
http://www.arsgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/feisty-first-look.jpg

http://www.arsgeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/feisty-newapps.jpg

note that these are the official look and feel... nothing modified :)

and ubuntu is running on a emulator...


is this Ubuntu 7.04 ??
but it contains some bugs ne?? clearly indicated in the site.

[dineitdark]

USB is a specification yes. but the speed is affected by how it is implemented in the OS. :)
so my friend... the speeds vary upon the euqipment and the OS that u use. cause we humans never implement a specification as it is. never!!! hehe :)

[dineitdark]

is this Ubuntu 7.04 ??
but it contains some bugs ne?? clearly indicated in the site.
yes! of course! it is still in beta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hehe.. its there for testing pal... but it is stable enough to run in ya desktop ;)

[asangalk]

for most of the people ubuntu works out of the box
Yeh its with Ubuntu dapper + kde , with my pendrive :) Ubuntu just Get freezed up to reboot when unmounting the pendrive and later found that its a wellknown bug which has to be solved by reinstalling the new version of KDE. I had to reinstall KDE just to get my pendrive worked.

That is exactly what i mean ! For "most of ppl" (out of very low share of OS usage for ubuntu) ubuntu works :).

but see xp, Its for ALL ! Kids, Casuals, Developers, Artists etc etc.

even if u want to upgrade from one version of it to a another... its bloody easy in ubuntu.

That has to be buddy ! bcos they release in 6 months :) he he

i don't understand how u c that as an problem???

Problem is not that the existence of HUGE help/ Howts/Faq/and Forums and materials for ubuntu. Problem is the CAUSE for the existence:)

[dineitdark]

I'll start with ,


I am a .NET developer :) , got it ?
I am a music composer/ DJ :), got it ?
I need Shockwave in webpages :) , got it ?

I can write a HUGE list ! but kind of bussy now.

This is why i have simply dumped ubuntu :)


My friend , You have been truly misguided !! USB transfer speed is OS INDEPENDENT !

Ubuntu default (GNOME) GUI is Flashy , But if you just in love with the Look, Don't use GNOME, Have kubunu or install KDE in ubuntu and see then you will say UBUNTU is the best OS for the coming 4000 Years ! he he.



Sorry machang, Doesn't apply to OSs :)

well if u love the look go BERYL!!!!! hahaha the 3d desktop stuff.. man that rocks!
and hey you know why MS wrote everything in vista from the scratch? do you know that vista got a virgin stack ? ;) hehe... its becasue there old code base was so patched and messy! u have to start over after sometime when ur updating software constantly... it gets too patchy... buggy.. and unstructed... so its like a shirt.... in some ways yes... hehe :)

[mlakmal]

Well i certainly dont want to have PDA operating system in my PC. Well if you want to know the mobile side of Linux. now Motorola is using linux based system for there mobile phones which makes it more faster, reliable and patches and virus free. linux will take the mobile world in no time as it did with the PCs.
Just take a look at this. How linux beats windows mobile.
http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8728350077.html

If youre talking about the GUI side of Vista. try the Ultimate ubuntu Edition. That thing beats Vista from a 10mile lead. When i installed it on a laptop of one of my friends in the university, the first thing others asked was "hey is this vista?" im not bluffing about this. just take a look at yourself.

Heres the booting Up
http://ubuntusoftware.info/images/booting.png

Here's the login screen
http://ubuntusoftware.info/images/SleekDragonScreenie.png

Here's what is Inside
http://ubuntusoftware.info/ubuntu_ultimate_gamers/ubuntugamers5.png



nope im nt much gui fan.... well fr me win mobile is gr8 .... new ver 6 is maxxa fr devs and thy hav released da full source code :D

[djmlog103]

I'll start with ,


I am a .NET developer :) , got it ?
I am a music composer/ DJ :), got it ?
I need Shockwave in webpages :) , got it ?

I can write a HUGE list ! but kind of bussy now.

This is why i have simply dumped ubuntu :)


My friend , You have been truly misguided !! USB transfer speed is OS INDEPENDENT !

Ubuntu default (GNOME) GUI is Flashy , But if you just in love with the Look, Don't use GNOME, Have kubunu or install KDE in ubuntu and see then you will say UBUNTU is the best OS for the coming 4000 Years ! he he.



Sorry machang, Doesn't apply to OSs :)


lol. you must be kidding me. :lol:

machan visual .net is a windows proetery software. and so that means its a product of windows, well if you really really want to run .net in your linux use MONO. its an opensource software.

wow youre a music composer?
well then ive a list of application for you.
download any you need.. ITS FREE OF CHARGE. ;)
http://linux-sound.org/swss.html

infact some good animation films are made using linux for example shrek, finding nemo, dont be disappointed cuz now disney and dreamworks are using linux for their movies. cool right?

hmmm. shockwave? no problem. of course youre planning to use firefox ne? you have that plugin in firefox.lol.

[ i hope you research a bit !!!]
do you have more in you lists. just post it, we'll be happy to reply!!!

machan. usb is os indipendant of course. but its is the OS which takes the maximum performance which supported by the hardware. linux does marvells in harware management!!!

i hope this reply is sufficient for you!!

[dineitdark]

Yeh its with Ubuntu dapper + kde , with my pendrive :) Ubuntu just Get freezed up to reboot when unmounting the pendrive and later found that its a wellknown bug which has to be solved by reinstalling the new version of KDE. I had to reinstall KDE just to get my pendrive worked.

That is exactly what i mean ! For "most of ppl" (out of very low share of OS usage for ubuntu) ubuntu works :).

but see xp, Its for ALL ! Kids, Casuals, Developers, Artists etc etc.

[even if u want to upgrade from one version of it to a another... its bloody easy in ubuntu.]

That has to be buddy ! bcos they release in 6 months :) he he

[i don't understand how u c that as an problem??? ]

Problem is not that the existence of HUGE help/ Howts/Faq/and Forums and materials for ubuntu. Problem is the CAUSE for the existence:)

well ya u sound like anti ubuntu.. well well... there must be a rezone for you to be what you are :)

u would not have to upgrade KDE. if you was using the latest version of KDE... and as i said erlyer... if u don't want upgrade don't do it!!!! why bother baby??? haha u know if you are using ubuntu 6.06 LTS or something.. u can use it for some number of years to come... they relaese all the updates and stuff,,,

c i use ubuntu.. and i don't have to worry about any updating stuff... i just click yes two times and everything is done automatically for me... its easy... i just don't see your problem with updating yar??? if u like upgrade it to the latest ver or else just stay with what u have :) its that simple. ubuntu will always update it self... so ur system is up to date.

well u think XP is ok for all? ok then tell me why o many people are using linux? well tell me why so many people are developing it? i mean most of them do it for fun! hehe... its because xp has something really really wrong with it.

and everybody that uses XP don't get a chance to really chose what they want.. i mean they are just given xp pre installed. what if they got ubuntu pre installed? ha? they will be pleased with it... not all of em.. but most of em... when u have to migrate from one OS to a another its a lot of work...

[djmlog103]

Yeh its with Ubuntu dapper + kde , with my pendrive :) Ubuntu just Get freezed up to reboot when unmounting the pendrive and later found that its a wellknown bug which has to be solved by reinstalling the new version of KDE. I had to reinstall KDE just to get my pendrive worked.

That is exactly what i mean ! For "most of ppl" (out of very low share of OS usage for ubuntu) ubuntu works :).

but see xp, Its for ALL ! Kids, Casuals, Developers, Artists etc etc.

[even if u want to upgrade from one version of it to a another... its bloody easy in ubuntu.]

That has to be buddy ! bcos they release in 6 months :) he he

[i don't understand how u c that as an problem??? ]

Problem is not that the existence of HUGE help/ Howts/Faq/and Forums and materials for ubuntu. Problem is the CAUSE for the existence:)

thats where you got wrong machan. the internet is no survial of the fittest thing. existance of what? the old? if so we'll see forums on guiding how to install 3.1 also ne?lol
its cuz of the technology is getting improved every day to day. its your choice whether you want to keep in touch with it or not. you have the complete freedom to do so.
yes windows is easy to be used in sri lanka.. WHY? cuz we were using it from the day windows 95 came in to town..lol. its cuz you are farmiliar with the windowos version cuz youve used to the older version of it. ive been using ubuntu for more than 1month now. and i had no problem getting used to..lol

[dineitdark]

ban .... man lynx arm based ewatath dev kara eeeth windows mobile tharan gathiyak naa ...
ma uncle has a HP pocket pc.. and it runs win mobile.. and i think it is bloody resource hoggy!!! i of course could not install linux on it!!! hehe.. i would have done it if i owened it... but i don't hehe.. i think that its too slow.. man that little thing have some 64megs of ram and that is sooo slow for that... i m sure symbian or some linux mobile thing would perform better... machan its such a waist of resources.... i feel so sad that all that RAM is soooooo waisted... but eh.. what does ma uncle gonna do with that eh? hehe... its a waste anywas lolz !

[asangalk]

.net altanatives...
open source ones... :) hehe

mono,
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=4&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mono-project.com%2FMono%2C_a_technical_whitepaper&ei=WX4HRvHTFIiwsAKi5v1F&usg=__Oj_3ZevG6mfZwDaD_wwDA42z48M=&sig2=tWA1S_EGwJpTUNNMIgVrgQ

eclipse
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.eclipse.org%2F&ei=WX4HRvHTFIiwsAKi5v1F&usg=__Gi80-5XpAI040vq7i1B6l2V6lls=&sig2=ThMdnQ9iPOrsbF3yVX0lbg

there are more.... search the net!!!!

Mixxx - Free Digital DJ Software
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fmixxx.sourceforge.net%2F&ei=4X4HRvSEKqOGsAK35Y1G&usg=__MPKxQGn3b_xxYuC66DJZxBeDoqM=&sig2=LI0XPW15ePe6Y-Mn3NK4IQ

more mixing stuff
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=open+source+dj+mixing+audio+apps&spell=1

yar there are more than enough apps out there for linux! you just have not seen em yet... :) too bad... take a little time and ask google about open source apps... it will show you heven ;)

:lol: MONO ? ok friend. If you ask a .net developer to Shift to mono for developing Apps its joke :) mono is cross plat form .Net support. Not for developing Fuylly fledge .Net apps.

Free mixing stuff ? r u kidding bro !! NO UNIX BASED softwares for Professional Djing or Music production ! take my word , search the web for one :) music mixing/ production is not just playing two tracks together.

Eclips : thats the beauty of windows , You can have every app/ide in unix plus a world of windows apps !

Just think the other way around , Put Windows in the place of Ubuntu, imagine Windows is free(But close sourced) and ubuntu is paid(not free or open source). Do u ever think even a stray dog will use ubuntu ? :lol: he he.
The whole hype is formed upon FREE Vs PAID ratherthan opensource or closed source or humanity or anything as Ubuntu claims :yes: he he

[mlakmal]

ma uncle has a HP pocket pc.. and it runs win mobile.. and i think it is bloody resource hoggy!!! i of course could not install linux on it!!! hehe.. i would have done it if i owened it... but i don't hehe.. i think that its too slow.. man that little thing have some 64megs of ram and that is sooo slow for that... i m sure symbian or some linux mobile thing would perform better... machan its such a waist of resources.... i feel so sad that all that RAM is soooooo waisted... but eh.. what does ma uncle gonna do with that eh? hehe... its a waste anywas lolz !

thats nt da case .... u cn create ur own wince platform fr ur resources :yes:

[amila325]

My friend , You have been truly misguided !! USB transfer speed is OS INDEPENDENT !

Ubuntu default (GNOME) GUI is Flashy , But if you just in love with the Look, Don't use GNOME, Have kubunu or install KDE in ubuntu and see then you will say UBUNTU is the best OS for the coming 4000 Years ! he he.


hi hi hi ane machan uba poddak xp walai ubuntu walai file transfer karala balapan ubata duka hithei xp gena:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

[dineitdark]

:lol: MONO ? ok friend. If you ask a .net developer to Shift to mono for developing Apps its joke :) mono is cross plat form .Net support. Not for developing Fuylly fledge .Net apps.

Free mixing stuff ? r u kidding bro !! NO UNIX BASED softwares for Professional Djing or Music production ! take my word , search the web for one :) music mixing/ production is not just playing two tracks together.

Eclips : thats the beauty of windows , You can have every app/ide in unix plus a world of windows apps !

Just think the other way around , Put Windows in the place of Ubuntu, imagine Windows is free(But close sourced) and ubuntu is paid(not free or open source). Do u ever think even a stray dog will use ubuntu ? :lol: he he.
The whole hype is formed upon FREE Vs PAID ratherthan opensource or closed source or humanity or anything as Ubuntu claims :yes: he he
well i have used audacity. its not playing two tracks together! of course not~!!!~! r u kidding me??? hehe.. machan there are a lot of stuff that u can do with it... i've used the adobe's mixing thing as well.. and when i compare both of the apps.. i should say audacity is very cool. well yeah it may not have ALL the features of adobe thing... but yar its grate! there are lots of stuff you can do with that.. noice removal... all sorts of filters,,, etc etc.. u get me uh? you can mix mix and mix... im not that active in this feild of music and stuff so don't know much about it... but eh its surly possible for u to use open source linux apps to sound dev ! haha it rocks!

haha haven't u ever heard of WINE, crossoffice, cedega..????? man u can run almost everything in linux! all the windows apps, games... etc etc

and about .net... well u choose .net as ur platform... so thats a choice. but if ur are a open source dev u have many many choices! java, ruby, phython, php, perl.... etc its endless! .

the whole thing about ubuntu and all the linux thing is that it is free as in FREEDOM! not about free as in free beer. people who dev those open source apps, OSs.. all want freedom in one way or another. i will not use windows even if they give it free of charge. know why? linux is much much better! and thats why i use it,. not because i don't have to pay for it or anything.... ubuntu is good becasue its open source. it will never ever exsit if its not open source. its near impossible. its built on debian another FOSS OS... so thats how it goes... its about the concept bro. the concept not about the money :)

[asangalk]

hi hi hi ane machan uba poddak xp walai ubuntu walai file transfer karala balapan ubata duka hithei xp gena:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

I do :)
I have ubuntu,redhat,and XP :)
And i know all Die-hard Fans of linux too have XP some where buried in their HD .. lol:lol:

[dineitdark]

hi hi hi ane machan uba poddak xp walai ubuntu walai file transfer karala balapan ubata duka hithei xp gena:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

[dineitdark]

I do :)
I have ubuntu,redhat,and XP :)
And i know all Die-hard Fans of linux too have XP some where buried in their HD .. lol:lol:
hmmm... i have a original XP DVD.. with toshiba drivers... i wonder what i will do to that if it didnt have the driver(which i will need in the future to do some reverce eng... hehe ;))............

[djmlog103]

:lol: MONO ? ok friend. If you ask a .net developer to Shift to mono for developing Apps its joke :) mono is cross plat form .Net support. Not for developing Fuylly fledge .Net apps.

Free mixing stuff ? r u kidding bro !! NO UNIX BASED softwares for Professional Djing or Music production ! take my word , search the web for one :) music mixing/ production is not just playing two tracks together.

Eclips : thats the beauty of windows , You can have every app/ide in unix plus a world of windows apps !

Just think the other way around , Put Windows in the place of Ubuntu, imagine Windows is free(But close sourced) and ubuntu is paid(not free or open source). Do u ever think even a stray dog will use ubuntu ? :lol: he he.
The whole hype is formed upon FREE Vs PAID ratherthan opensource or closed source or humanity or anything as Ubuntu claims :yes: he he

yes youre right friend, who wants to use .net in linux when you have better frame works like java and "ruby on rails"..lol. i just dont see the point too.lol and we replied cuz you asked you can program .net in linux. well yes you can.
well just think about it .net is built by windows ne? so if there's no windows, will there be any .net? ha ha. but we're talking about opensource.. if ubuntu was not invented, you can use anyother open source distro.lol. and yes, if a ,net dveloper use that in linux, its not nice too ne? cuz he's like double crossing with microsoft..lol

well do you think that dreamworks, disney, sony, ILM are stray dogs too?:D
cuz they all use linux based software for there movies..lol

machan i think you have to google again cuz, you dont how powerful it is to use
JACK audio server, the ZynAddSubFX software synthesiser, and a virtual MIDI keyboard controller in linux, its the easiet and the most powerful thing ever..lol

[djmlog103]

hi hi hi ane machan uba poddak xp walai ubuntu walai file transfer karala balapan ubata duka hithei xp gena:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
ouch!!!

[asangalk]

well i have used audacity. its not playing two tracks together! of course not~!!!~! r u kidding me??? hehe.. machan there are a lot of stuff that u can do with it... i've used the adobe's mixing thing as well.. and when i compare both of the apps.. i should say audacity is very cool. well yeah it may not have ALL the features of adobe thing... but yar its grate! there are lots of stuff you can do with that.. noice removal... all sorts of filters,,, etc etc.. u get me uh? you can mix mix and mix... im not that active in this feild of music and stuff so don't know much about it... but eh its surly possible for u to use open source linux apps to sound dev ! haha it rocks!

haha haven't u ever heard of WINE, crossoffice, cedega..????? man u can run almost everything in linux! all the windows apps, games... etc etc

and about .net... well u choose .net as ur platform... so thats a choice. but if ur are a open source dev u have many many choices! java, ruby, phython, php, perl.... etc its endless! .

the whole thing about ubuntu and all the linux thing is that it is free as in FREEDOM! not about free as in free beer. people who dev those open source apps, OSs.. all want freedom in one way or another. i will not use windows even if they give it free of charge. know why? linux is much much better! and thats why i use it,. not because i don't have to pay for it or anything.... ubuntu is good becasue its open source. it will never ever exsit if its not open source. its near impossible. its built on debian another FOSS OS... so thats how it goes... its about the concept bro. the concept not about the money :)

See, I am Active in music production :) thats why i talke about music production.
WINE is not guaranteed to support every app, and we should be happy with what WINE gives. I tryed to use WINE with FL studio (Which is a PROFESSIONAL MSUCI PRODUCTION APP) and System just didn't response. Later found WINE can only start that app, but can't work in it.

One thing is not clear here, you have said
but if ur are a open source dev u have many many choices! java, ruby, phython, php, perl.... etc its endless! .

what do u mean by saying that ? C#.NET,VB.NET,java, ruby, phython, php, perl are languages , One can use any language to write Open source apps for any OS So my choice was not OPEN SOURCE/CLOSE SOURCE, it was my preference for a language. Still i can write opensource apps in .NET ! You have misunderstood What is opensource and closedsource :rolleyes:

and you further says
ubuntu is good becasue its open source. it will never ever exsit if its not open source.

I don't think so , Ubuntu Popular not because it is OPENSOURCENES :) but because its user friendliness compare to other unix distributions. Ubuntu, according to their website, is “Linux for Human Beings”. Ubuntu, an ancient African word meaning “humanity to others”, is a community designed Linux distribution based on Debian that is designed to be as user-friendly as possible.

[asangalk]

well do you think that dreamworks, disney, sony, ILM are stray dogs too?
cuz they all use linux based software for there movies..lol

he he ! good one. No they are not stray dogs :)
Here i am talking about ubuntu my friend :)
Not about those dedicated systems for Multimedia productions.

[dineitdark]

See, I am Active in music production :) thats why i talke about music production.
WINE is not guaranteed to support every app, and we should be happy with what WINE gives. I tryed to use WINE with FL studio (Which is a PROFESSIONAL MSUCI PRODUCTION APP) and System just didn't response. Later found WINE can only start that app, but can't work in it.

One thing is not clear here, you have said


what do u mean by saying that ? C#.NET,VB.NET,java, ruby, phython, php, perl are languages , One can use any language to write Open source apps for any OS So my choice was not OPEN SOURCE/CLOSE SOURCE, it was my preference for a language. Still i can write opensource apps in .NET ! You have misunderstood What is opensource and closedsource :rolleyes:

and you further says


I don't think so , Ubuntu Popular not because it is OPENSOURCENES :) but because its user friendliness compare to other unix distributions. Ubuntu, according to their website, is “Linux for Human Beings”. Ubuntu, an ancient African word meaning “humanity to others”, is a community designed Linux distribution based on Debian that is designed to be as user-friendly as possible.
hmmm profesional music apps.. well u can have a choice here, but my point is that if u want to do professional music ... stuff in linux or ubuntu you can do it. linux has tools for it. :)

well yar don't u get it??? all those are open platforms, there compilers, interpreters are all open source! thats what i was tring to say :) now when the compilers are open... u can just look into them and have a nice idea of what really happen to your code when u compile them... and there for write better code. so open platforms rocks!.... there are better than .net.. not all of them again... .net might be good in windows... casue its all closed :) but when something is open... you can better utilize it.... unlike closed ones. and thats my point here. i was not talking about your code! hehe.. :) sorry that i was bad at expressing my opinion.. last time :)

no ubuntu is not populer just becasue its easy to use.. it is one of those just work type OSs... thats really really nice about ubuntu... i guess thats the main reason...

and my point is that.. ubuntu won't exsit if there was no open source at the first place! ubuntu was possible becasue of open source.... it goes on and live becasue of open source....

[djmlog103]

See, I am Active in music production :) thats why i talke about music production.
WINE is not guaranteed to support every app, and we should be happy with what WINE gives. I tryed to use WINE with FL studio (Which is a PROFESSIONAL MSUCI PRODUCTION APP) and System just didn't response. Later found WINE can only start that app, but can't work in it.

One thing is not clear here, you have said


what do u mean by saying that ? C#.NET,VB.NET,java, ruby, phython, php, perl are languages , One can use any language to write Open source apps for any OS So my choice was not OPEN SOURCE/CLOSE SOURCE, it was my preference for a language. Still i can write opensource apps in .NET ! You have misunderstood What is opensource and closedsource :rolleyes:

and you further says


I don't think so , Ubuntu Popular not because it is OPENSOURCENES :) but because its user friendliness compare to other unix distributions. Ubuntu, according to their website, is “Linux for Human Beings”. Ubuntu, an ancient African word meaning “humanity to others”, is a community designed Linux distribution based on Debian that is designed to be as user-friendly as possible.

yes, youre right.. its not that youre saying you cant do music composing in linux ne?
its that youre saying that you prefer to work in XP for youre music productions right? well we respect your choice, and i dont know, you dont have to have FL studio to compose your music, but dont say that FL studio is the number 1 choice of all composer and dont say that who would use linux for their music, movie production, cuz a lot of people does!!

and yes ubuntu means the humanity to others. and ubuntu is popular cuz its userfriendly and cuz its open source!!!
lol and we cant argue with that ne? thats obvious.lol

[djmlog103]

he he ! good one. No they are not stray dogs :)
Here i am talking about ubuntu my friend :)
Not about those dedicated systems for Multimedia productions.

:lol: machan yes.. those are dedicated linux system, they've the most hightech piece of linux system sand software to do there work. that good ne?lol choosing linux as their rendering and developing system? :D . cuz they have to have the most cutting edge and leading technologies which can do their work faster. and reliable.

hey and if youre a local composer, you can do the same with ubuntu as well or with all of other distros available which supports it, i didnt tell you to use ubuntu ne?lol. we saying what you want is possible and easy and not as hard or impossible as you think.:D

[asangalk]

well yar don't u get it??? all those are open platforms, there compilers, interpreters are all open source! thats what i was tring to say :) now when the compilers are open... u can just look into them and have a nice idea of what really happen to your code when u compile them... and there for write better code. so open platforms rocks!.... there are better than .net.. not all of them again... .net might be good in windows... casue its all closed :) but when something is open... you can better utilize it.... unlike closed ones. and thats my point here. i was not talking about your code! hehe.. :) sorry that i was bad at expressing my opinion.. last time :)



According to your argument, Any language which runs on Opensource OS is an OPEN source Language ?:lol: he he.

pls clear the confusion, those are 5 mutually exclusive things,


[1]Open source OS (ubuntu)
[2]Closed source Languages (like C#)
[3]Open source Languages (like RUBY and PHP)
[4]Open source apps written in any language.
[5]Closed source apps written in any language.

[madurax86]

i'm usin OpenSuse 10.2; but if ur thiking of linux it'd b better if u hav an ADSL connection

[djmlog103]

i'm usin OpenSuse 10.2; but if ur thiking of linux it'd b better if u hav an ADSL connection

yes. i agree. cuz unlike for windows you dont have softwared where you can get frmo the store in sl. cuz of that i think its a good idea to have good net connection to get some cool softwares.
you have a point man..:D

[madurax86]

According to your argument, Any language which runs on Opensource OS is a OPEN source Language ?:lol: he he.

pls clear the confusion, here there are 5 mutually exclusive things,


[1]Open source OS (ubuntu)
[2]Closed source Languages (like C#)
[3]Open source Languages (like RUBY and PHP)
[4]Open source apps written in any language.
[5]Closed source apps written in any language.


--- ppl i think u hav got sumthin wrong here; programin langs r mostly closed source softwares --coz if ppl start creatin special editions here n dere it'd b a prob for da developers hu use dat lang. But there're OpenSource softwares the target of bein opensource is to catch n successfully answer to all of it's bugs. N da other thing is community. Linux is built on the opensource concept n it will always b an opensource development.(but there r sum companies whu build their commercial versions).

OpenSource doesnt mean free software - wht opensource means is that u can edit/modify/copy the original code of a program without harming the author or the program...its dat simple

[lasanka]

hey cool cool tnx for posting!

[dineitdark]

According to your argument, Any language which runs on Opensource OS is a OPEN source Language ?:lol: he he.

pls clear the confusion, here there are 5 mutually exclusive things,


[1]Open source OS (ubuntu)
[2]Closed source Languages (like C#)
[3]Open source Languages (like RUBY and PHP)
[4]Open source apps written in any language.
[5]Closed source apps written in any language.

oh shit.... man ur confused!
According to your argument, Any language which runs on Opensource OS is a OPEN source Language ?:lol: he he.


languages can't run on anything. but binaries/scripts(with help of an interpreter do :) no i don't say anything like that. its stupid! ok get me clear this time :)

a langauge which have a open source compiler/interpreter(who's code is open, and is licened under the GPL) is a open source lang.

a lang is there becasue it have a compiler or a interpreter for it. which can understand the code that you write and convert it to binary code. so the compiler plays a MAIN role in a lang. and if the compiler is open source there is a advantage in that.



pls clear the confusion, here there are 5 mutually exclusive things,


[1]Open source OS (ubuntu)
[2]Closed source Languages (like C#)
[3]Open source Languages (like RUBY and PHP)
[4]Open source apps written in any language.
[5]Closed source apps written in any language.


there are'nt any 'closed source lang'!!! hehe.. yeah i gues you are tring to state the fact that when you write a program in c,c++.... and compile it. u can't understand that as source code. so someone should give u the source code with the application which is in binary form and there for is not readable to human beans(uh.... now there must be some super hackers who can read binaries! :)...

but scripting langs such as PHP comes as source code it self... so anyone can understand it, but you can encode them and TRY to hide the code ;)

[dineitdark]

i'm usin OpenSuse 10.2; but if ur thiking of linux it'd b better if u hav an ADSL connection
i agree :) its much easier when u have ADSL...

[dineitdark]

--- ppl i think u hav got sumthin wrong here; programin langs r mostly closed source softwares --coz if ppl start creatin special editions here n dere it'd b a prob for da developers hu use dat lang. But there're OpenSource softwares the target of bein opensource is to catch n successfully answer to all of it's bugs. N da other thing is community. Linux is built on the opensource concept n it will always b an opensource development.(but there r sum companies whu build their commercial versions).

OpenSource doesnt mean free software - wht opensource means is that u can edit/modify/copy the original code of a program without harming the author or the program...its dat simple

all the compilers in linux are open source(gcc...etc). yes most of the people get the wrong idea when someone says open source. it simply the freedom that it gives... the ability to modify, reuse, redistribute... and improve... open source has a lot of benefits....

[asangalk]

--- ppl i think u hav got sumthin wrong here; programin langs r mostly closed source softwares --coz if ppl start creatin special editions here n dere it'd b a prob for da developers hu use dat lang. But there're OpenSource softwares the target of bein opensource is to catch n successfully answer to all of it's bugs. N da other thing is community. Linux is built on the opensource concept n it will always b an opensource development.(but there r sum companies whu build their commercial versions).

OpenSource doesnt mean free software - wht opensource means is that u can edit/modify/copy the original code of a program without harming the author or the program...its dat simple


True.
We should not Mix FREE AND OPEN SOURCE. As i see "open source" is a subset of "free"()correct me if i am wrong).
From the very beginning i was posting about UBUNTU Vx XP not Opensource vs closed source but unfortunately ppl tends to mix the things up.

machang djmlog103 who talked about ubuntu here...lol
Its the name of this thread :yes: lol !!

machang dineitdark are you contradicting yourself here ? you said

a langauge which have a open source compiler/interpreter(who's code is open, and is licened under the GPL) is a open source lang.

Then you said
there are'nt any 'closed source lang'!!! hehe

You believe in Opensource languages and at the same time Rejects the opposite "Close source language"

or does it mean that Every Language compiler/interpreter is Open sourced ? he he:lol:

how about C# compiler and .NET framework which is having both interpreter/compiler and framework as closed source ? what do you call such languages ? (according to you :lol: )

you said
all those are open platforms, there compilers, interpreters are all open source! thats what i was tring to say now when the compilers are open... u can just look into them and have a nice idea of what really happen to your code when u compile them... and there for write better code. so open platforms rocks!.

As i was talking about UBUNTU vs XP (thread name is Ubuntu not opensource or anything else he he), XP does Support all these Opensource Languages !(TELL ME ANY WHICH XP DOES NOT SUPPORT) More generally regardless of the platform's opensourcenes one can use those languages to gain the benefits of been opensource(as you claim). so with your logic XP too can have the benefits of Opensource languages right ? :lol:

[thusithagh]

yes! of course! it is still in beta!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hehe.. its there for testing pal... but it is stable enough to run in ya desktop ;)


is dat true. then i should download it.

:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

[dineitdark]

True.
We should not Mix FREE AND OPEN SOURCE. As i see "open source" is a subset of "free"()correct me if i am wrong).
From the very beginning i was posting about UBUNTU Vx XP not Opensource vs closed source but unfortunately ppl tends to mix the things up.

machang djmlog103
Its the name of this thread :yes: lol !!

machang dineitdark are you contradicting yourself here ? you said


Then you said


You believe in Opensource languages and at the same time Rejects the opposite "Close source language"

or does it mean that Every Language compiler/interpreter is Open sourced ? he he:lol:

how about C# compiler and .NET framework which is having both interpreter/compiler and framework as closed source ? what do you call such languages ? (according to you :lol: )

you said


As i was talking about UBUNTU vs XP (thread name is Ubuntu not opensource or anything else he he), XP does Support all these Opensource Languages !(TELL ME ANY WHICH XP DOES NOT SUPPORT) More generally regardless of the platform's opensourcenes one can use those languages to gain the benefits of been opensource(as you claim). so with your logic XP too can have the benefits of Opensource languages right ? :lol:c

haha.. nice point :) well i guess i should correct my self. there are no real closed or open langs... as langs can't be closed(or else how can anyone program in them?)... but compilers and interpreters can. ok. :)

.net ... stuff are closed(not the lang, but the compiler, IDE....) :)

and well yar its NOT that xp is supporting anything, its just that those projects are supporting xp(as most of the people are using it). so u can't give any credit to xp for that. many of those open source projects cared enough to port there compilers to windows platforms such as XP.... its not the work of XP so it deserve no credit for. i mean XP does not become something that support them insted XP is supported by them :) and yes people using XP can and DO gain a lots of benifits from open source. i mean even elakiri runs open source, so we who use this gain a lot from open source no matter what OS we use. its the concept.

but XP is not open source. so what ? well as it is closed. it is limited. u can't play around with XP as you play with linux. if you want to custermize XP to the full lenght can you do it? no casue its closed source. but its not the case with linux.

so simply if u are with XP yes u can enjoy the joys of open source(which is very good!) but you are missing a lot!

[dineitdark]

is dat true. then i should download it.

:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
i'm downloading it. they have said that they are releasing the final ver in aprial... but hey i can't wait till aprial!!! hehe i'l downoload and install it now... it gets uptade along the way so it'll be like the last release automaticaly :)

[amila325]

he he ! good one. No they are not stray dogs :)
Here i am talking about ubuntu my friend :)
Not about those dedicated systems for Multimedia productions.
oh yeah we are talking about ubuntu. machan 1st tell me do you have a original cd of XP or Vista if you have, you have all the right to talk like this :D :D :D :D

[asangalk]

well i guess i should correct my self. there are no real closed or open langs... as langs can't be closed(or else how can anyone program in them?)... but compilers and interpreters can. ok.


No, You can say Open/Closed to a language.( It is not where you got wrong buddy :) )

Example : Perl .
Goto this link
http://www.activestate.com/products/languages.plex

cheers.

[amila325]

Cummon guys we wont say that windows is nothing and sicks. but we want to say is that now linux is the best and ubuntu is one of that :yes: :yes:

[asangalk]

oh yeah we are talking about ubuntu. machan 1st tell me do you have a original cd of XP or Vista if you have, you have all the right to talk like this


Ha ha ! That is unfair machang (and kind of negative) , "LADA DEYIN SATHUTU WEEMA" is not applicable when you assess things. You should have an open mind and you should equally see the pros and cons in both the products , just hating something cos it is not affordable is like "Nariya Midi Thithai kiuwa wage".

GOOD is GOOD ! weather it is FREE or PAID :)

[amila325]

Ha ha ! That is unfair machang (and kind of negative) , "LADA DEYIN SATHUTU WEEMA" is not applicable when you assess things. You should have an open mind and you should equally see the pros and cons in both the products , just hating something cos it is not affordable is like "Nariya Midi Thithai kiuwa wage".

GOOD is GOOD ! weather it is FREE or PAID :)
Yeah dat is something like nariya midi thiththai kiuwa wage thama oh yeah and ubuntu is good and it is free :lol:

[mlakmal]

Cummon guys we wont say that windows is nothing and sicks. but we want to say is that now linux is the best and ubuntu is one of that :yes: :yes:


i dnt believe lynx is da best :D .... its one of da best same as windows :yes:

[asangalk]

I thank you all (including dineitdark,djmlog103,amila325,etc) for making this thread a meaning full one, hence it let me learn somthing new today. It was such a pleasure to have a discussion with you guys !

See you later and Good luck with what ever the OS you are using :).Have fun.
Bye 4 now.

[djmlog103]

I thank you all (including dineitdark,djmlog103,amila325,etc) for making this thread a meaning full one, hence it let me learn somthing new today. It was such a pleasure to have a discussion with you guys !

See you later and Good luck with what ever the OS you are using :).Have fun.
Bye 4 now.

i was out for like 1 or 2 hours, what progress you guys made. im simply seechless..!!!
thanks all you guys to making my first post a sucess, and hey asanaga, machan you gave a fine start too...:yes:

guys. im we're doing progress here.
in sri lanka most of the people are living on xp, i was one too, wel anyways cant forget our past ne? xp has done a great job in day to day life, but i think we should not limit our minds to just that, we should search for new things and try others OS's... should be open minded about what we use.
in my university, we have 55 people in Software Engineering batch, and some of them are really hard users of XP, and some of them didnt know what linux was. and we were asked to program in linux bu our lecturers. so we did.. now all those xp lovers are beginnig to like linux as well. so you see, if you try linux a little bit youll fall in love with it. if not (you get a problem) please use this wondrful forum to clear your problem, cuz there is a solution somewhere!!!

what do you guys think?

[dineitdark]

No, You can say Open/Closed to a language.( It is not where you got wrong buddy :) )

Example : Perl .
Goto this link
http://www.activestate.com/products/languages.plex

cheers.
sorry i got late to post but eh... no i don't agree with you on that.... i mean common... a lang should be open or else no one will use it(cause they can't!). you know where i went wrong? i didn't sleep well today! hehe... whatever...

[dineitdark]

Ha ha ! That is unfair machang (and kind of negative) , "LADA DEYIN SATHUTU WEEMA" is not applicable when you assess things. You should have an open mind and you should equally see the pros and cons in both the products , just hating something cos it is not affordable is like "Nariya Midi Thithai kiuwa wage".

GOOD is GOOD ! weather it is FREE or PAID :)
ok now i am been open minded as far as i can here.... ok lets see

i've use XP and windows much more than i've use any open source OS like linux...

1. linux is fast than windows... XP was better than other versions of windows in its speed. but almost every linux distro that i installed on my machines were faster than windows...
but sometimes when i install every and each thing in the OS like all the services Apache, sendmail, DNS servers, samba servers.... etc etc linux becomes just like XP in its speed. but eh when i custormise linux it boots much faster.... so i can say ;inux is genarly faster than XP

[dineitdark]

2. Anti virus, malware... and other shit...

in windows my friends :) hehehe... you all know how vanuable you all are... when i was using windows... i have to worry about my AV.. it slows the comp down.. and i get infected with a virus at least once in six months... and linux oh thank god! no viruses, no malware... and no AVs!!! (now linux does have AVs.. but u don't really need them for your day to day usage) so linux is much safe than XP

[dineitdark]

3. Choices... when it comes to music players... video players...etc etc
in windows.. i had some 5, 10 choices for music players.. and stuff... and about half of em were having some pro version that is not free of charge... and u have to do a lot of work to get the apps working in the "unofficial" way.. now you know what i mean right? searching for cracks...and what about the bonus viruses you get with them sometimes??? :)

but on linux.... volla!!! u have about 100+ music players all free, and no pro versions or gold versions or any thing like that!... you have 100+ video players... wow! you have so many choices... and they are a lot customizeble than the ones i found on windows... its so good! no cracks no ileagle shit.... haha... thats it.. its open source and its leagle

[dineitdark]

i can just keep saying all the stuff... but just search the net and u will find a lot of info about the truth... im not saying that linux is perfect... but it is definetly better, much much better than windows.

u may like it or you may not like as some our friends who posted in this list. but i say you give it a try! hehe...

[dineitdark]

No, You can say Open/Closed to a language.( It is not where you got wrong buddy :) )

Example : Perl .
Goto this link
http://www.activestate.com/products/languages.plex

cheers.

for a ex lets take C... u have both propertery compilers and open source ones for c... so the propertery ones are closed source and the open source ones are open source(obviecly) so then is C a closed lang or is it a open lang???

[dineitdark]

oh yeah we are talking about ubuntu. machan 1st tell me do you have a original cd of XP or Vista if you have, you have all the right to talk like this :D :D :D :D

haha.. good question buddy! a good question... you know what... MS will someday ask you all to pay them money for there products... and just imagin the cost.. hehe..

[dineitdark]

Ha ha ! That is unfair machang (and kind of negative) , "LADA DEYIN SATHUTU WEEMA" is not applicable when you assess things. You should have an open mind and you should equally see the pros and cons in both the products , just hating something cos it is not affordable is like "Nariya Midi Thithai kiuwa wage".

GOOD is GOOD ! weather it is FREE or PAID :)
dude im not using windows because i can't afford it(now that does not mean that im rich :)) i have a original copy of windows. and it is a waste of money.. i could have save that money... i use linux becasue i think it is much better than windows... not becasue it is free.

and don't forget that saying.... best things in this world are free :)

[djmlog103]

To Amila325
machan ive found a working and latest version of cedega!!
ill send it to you soon. that piece of sofware kick ass!!

[note: Cedega is the latest version of WineX. and supports hundreds of games, which have the most intesive graphics]

if any of you need this software to be run on your linux box, please add your email. here..

[asangalk]

sorry i got late to post but eh... no i don't agree with you on that.... i mean common... a lang should be open or else no one will use it(cause they can't!). you know where i went wrong? i didn't sleep well today! hehe... whatever...

I thought this topic is already closed , By mistake i saw this page again today and found you need more explanations :) ook.

a lang should be open or else no one will use it

please visit this link >> http://www.activestate.com/products/languages.plex

there you can find even the exact phrase "Open Source Languages " ! by that, ActiveState ppl or I didn't mean of a language in which no one can do coding ! (common its Obvious ) he he.

computer Language is said to be an Open source language if the Compiler/Interpreter/parser/framework/libraries/etc are open sourced. :lol:

[dineitdark]

I thought this topic is already closed , By mistake i saw this page again today and found you need more explanations :) ook.



please visit this link >> http://www.activestate.com/products/languages.plex

there you can find even the exact phrase "Open Source Languages " ! by that, ActiveState ppl or I didn't mean of a language in which no one can do coding ! (common its Obvious ) he he.

computer Language is said to be an Open source language if the Compiler/Interpreter/parser/framework/libraries/etc are open sourced. :lol:
ok fine, lets take C then, so tell me whether it is a open source lang or is it a closed source lang? and just keep in mind that it have both closed and open Compilers/frameworks/libraries/etc ... :D

[asangalk]

ok now i am been open minded as far as i can here.... ok lets see

i've use XP and windows much more than i've use any open source OS like linux...

1. linux is fast than windows... XP was better than other versions of windows in its speed. but almost every linux distro that i installed on my machines were faster than windows...
but sometimes when i install every and each thing in the OS like all the services Apache, sendmail, DNS servers, samba servers.... etc etc linux becomes just like XP in its speed. but eh when i custormise linux it boots much faster.... so i can say ;inux is genarly faster than XP

See friends , B4 you say Ubuntu is faster than XP , i have to ask "how did you messure/compare the speed of two OSs ? "
for an example, one can say a "maruti" is faster than a "ford" or vice versa if both vehicles traveled under same conditions (ex : same road ) . Otherwise it is not fair right ?
May be you are talking about BOOT up speed ? My Xp takes 10 seconds,ubuntu takes 13 seconds, Redhat takes 9-10 seconds. Is it a big deal ? Boot up speed depends upon how much services you have running in your OS.

Yeah ubuntu performance is good when you use it as a server box !, but Ubuntu is for normal users who use an os for day today stuff, for more demanding users Ubuntu is not the ideal choice(u knw wt i mean). What i say is in day today Usage, Office, Email ,etc in XP is faster than ubuntu. The reason is GUI!! In windows 80% of the GUI is integrated in to the Kernel , But in ubuntu GUI is a separate layer. Due to XP's GUI-Kernal intragation XP GUI is much faster than Ubuntu. If you don't believe me for some reason, just Run Open office Word in ubuntu and Note the Start time, then runn MS office WORD in xp and note the start time then compare , if you are not a blind NIX fan who go for the trend (wanna be geek) saying "windows is shit Use linux " just for nothing, you will notice a HUGE deference in start times !
the reason is XP'S GUI-Kernal integration. There is a bad side of that too(some times is leads to Deadlocks), but in VISTA MS ppl has solved that too :).

[dineitdark]

See friends , B4 you say Ubuntu is faster than XP , i have to ask "how did you messure/compare the speed of two OSs ? "
for an example, one can say a "maruti" is faster than a "ford" or vice versa if both vehicles traveled under same conditions (ex : same road ) . Otherwise it is not fair right ?
May be you are talking about BOOT up speed ? My Xp takes 10 seconds,ubuntu takes 13 seconds, Redhat takes 9-10 seconds. Is it a big deal ? Boot up speed depends upon how much services you have running in your OS.

Yeah ubuntu performance is good when you use it as a server box !, but Ubuntu is for normal users who use an os for day today stuff, for more demanding users Ubuntu is not the ideal choice(u knw wt i mean). What i say is in day today Usage, Office, Email ,etc in XP is faster than ubuntu. The reason is GUI!! In windows 80% of the GUI is integrated in to the Kernel , But in ubuntu GUI is a separate layer. Due to XP's GUI-Kernal intragation XP GUI is much faster than Ubuntu. If you don't believe me for some reason, just Run Open office Word in ubuntu and Note the Start time, then runn MS office WORD in xp and note the start time then compare , if you are not a blind NIX fan who go for the trend (wanna be geek) saying "windows is shit Use linux " just for nothing, you will notice a HUGE deference in start times !
the reason is XP'S GUI-Kernal integration. There is a bad side of that too(some times is leads to Deadlocks), but in VISTA MS ppl has solved that too :).

OO is slow shit yes! :) but then you have other office apps in linux, abiword, KOffice...etc etc.. there are much faster than MS office... AbiWord is much much faster.. try it and see if you don't belive me.

and in windows, some parts of office get loaded to the system when it starts up so it increases the speed of the office start up. but then it wastes your RAM and reduce your startup times.

yes ma friend window's GUI is integrated. and in my opinion it have many disadvantages than it's advantages. mostly GUI stuff tend to crash than others, and when this happen the kernel get paniced in windows, but not in linux :) GUIs are no good things to find there way to the kernel it makes it more unstable... so *nix stratergy is much better than windows one.

hmm really vista sloved that? can u explain that a bit? :)

[asangalk]

ok fine, lets take C then, so tell me whether it is a open source lang or is it a closed source lang? and just keep in mind that it have both closed and open Compilers/frameworks/libraries/etc ... :D

Your question is incomplete :)

as an example , Given that too two Families ,If Mr.John's kid is BAD and MR. Smith's Kid is GOOD if you ask "Kid is BAD or GOOD ? " the question does not imply that which kid you are asking about. You should ask "Is Mr.Johen's kid BAD or GOOD ? " otherwise the Question itself is Incomplete , isn't it ?

In the same way If a language has been implemented by two Organizations, say "X.org" implements Language "P" as open sourced one then later "Y.Com" implements the same language "P" (conformance to original Standards ) as closed source. Then We say "X's P" is Open source language and "Y's P" is Closed source language. For an instance, We all know Activestat Perl is an opensource language right ? if I implement same Perl as a closed sourced language tomorrow , then the Question "Is Perl a Opensource language or not ?" won't be a valid question. Got it ?
Same in the case of C , we have GCC and MS C , the later is not open sourced ! but both are C , how do you reckon ?... Got it ?:yes:

[fazaal24]

thanks 4 da info;)

[Anusha]

and in windows, some parts of office get loaded to the system when it starts up so it increases the speed of the office start up. but then it wastes your RAM and reduce your startup times.
I disagree. If you don't use the RAM you have, that's called wasting - MONEY!!! More RAM you have, more the system should use that RAM.

hmm really vista sloved that? can u explain that a bit? :)
Well, Vista's GUI is driven by Desktop Window Manager, which is outside kernel. But this applies only to the GPU accelerated theme.

[dineitdark]

Your question is incomplete :)

as an example , Given that too two Families ,If Mr.John's kid is BAD and MR. Smith's Kid is GOOD if you ask "Kid is BAD or GOOD ? " the question does not imply that which kid you are asking about. You should ask "Is Mr.Johen's kid BAD or GOOD ? " otherwise the Question itself is Incomplete , isn't it ?

In the same way If a language has been implemented by two Organizations, say "X.org" implements Language "P" as open sourced one then later "Y.Com" implements the same language "P" (conformance to original Standards ) as closed source. Then We say "X's P" is Open source language and "Y's P" is Closed source language. For an instance, We all know Activestat Perl is an opensource language right ? if I implement same Perl as a closed sourced language tomorrow , then the Question "Is Perl a Opensource language or not ?" won't be a valid question. Got it ?
Same in the case of C , we have GCC and MS C , the later is not open sourced ! but both are C , how do you reckon ?... Got it ?:yes:
haha... thats my point bro. the lang is C and only C. so it is not closed or open. but the implementation can be open or closed. got it? :) and yes different implementations might have slight differences on how the lang is implemented.

[dineitdark]

I disagree. If you don't use the RAM you have, that's called wasting - MONEY!!! More RAM you have, more the system should use that RAM.


Well, Vista's GUI is driven by Desktop Window Manager, which is outside kernel. But this applies only to the GPU accelerated theme.

haha :) ok so u want to use all the RAM all the time to stop it from been wasted? machan if there is some RAM left u can be sure that u won't run out of physical mem when one of your important programs(something that you really need to be runing) need it.

and the more RAM u use the less effective it is to handel your data in the RAM = less speed

oh ok, so vista had copied the )nix model once again! haha... doesnt that just show the fact that nix sys arch is much better? i mean thats why they try to copy it all time :)

[Anusha]

haha :) ok so u want to use all the RAM all the time to stop it from been wasted? machan if there is some RAM left u can be sure that u won't run out of physical mem when one of your important programs(something that you really need to be runing) need it.

and the more RAM u use the less effective it is to handel your data in the RAM = less speed

oh ok, so vista had copied the )nix model once again! haha... doesnt that just show the fact that nix sys arch is much better? i mean thats why they try to copy it all time :)
You have no idea how it works in Vista. Vista is far superior to XP in memory management. It can use all your RAM, and at the same time, free up RAM in a flash. You won't see any slowdowns. For people who are stupid, can always turn this feature off :D

Most of the times when I load a game, I have only couple of MBs of physical RAM left. I don't feel any slowdown when I load the game.

Removing GUI management from kernel is not for OS stability alone. It's all integrated, I mean the driver and DWM. Removing GUI from kernel makes the OS stable by not crashing the OS when a problem in the DRIVER occurs. The driver can reset without needing to reboot. In XP, if something happened in the driver, the whole OS will go haywire.

[dineitdark]

You have no idea how it works in Vista. Vista is far superior to XP in memory management. It can use all your RAM, and at the same time, free up RAM in a flash. You won't see any slowdowns. For people who are stupid, can always turn this feature off :D

Most of the times when I load a game, I have only couple of MBs of physical RAM left. I don't feel any slowdown when I load the game.

Removing GUI management from kernel is not for OS stability alone. It's all integrated, I mean the driver and DWM. Removing GUI from kernel makes the OS stable by not crashing the OS when a problem in the DRIVER occurs. The driver can reset without needing to reboot. In XP, if something happened in the driver, the whole OS will go haywire.
you are correct i have no idea on how vista works! :yes: but my basic point is loading and unneeded module to memory will take some space in your RAM which is wasted because it can be utilized for someother purpose which is really important....

yes yes yes! :lol: :lol: :lol: linux and all the nix systems were using window managers from some long time back. and now only windows people thought of coping that into there OS :) hehe..

[Anusha]

you are correct i have no idea on how vista works! :yes: but my basic point is loading and unneeded module to memory will take some space in your RAM which is wasted because it can be utilized for someother purpose which is really important....

yes yes yes! :lol: :lol: :lol: linux and all the nix systems were using window managers from some long time back. and now only windows people thought of coping that into there OS :) hehe..
Well, Vista learns user's usage patterns for sometime. It will load the most likely things a user is supposed to do at a given time. For example, say as soon as you boot into Vista, you load Firefox and Outlook. It will load the required modules to the RAM so that these things load faster. Say you go to lunch at 1PM every day and come back at 1:30. When you come, you usually load Windows Media Player and listen to music. It will have all the required things cached in RAM to give you lightning speed. This sort of speed could only be noticed in XP if you disabled pagefile, optimized RAM for more cache, and had loaded the program once before in the same user session.
You are not running out of RAM because of these things. Vista is so aggressive with its memory management. When a new program requires RAM, Vista can always give that program that RAM.

[dineitdark]

Well, Vista learns user's usage patterns for sometime. It will load the most likely things a user is supposed to do at a given time. For example, say as soon as you boot into Vista, you load Firefox and Outlook. It will load the required modules to the RAM so that these things load faster. Say you go to lunch at 1PM every day and come back at 1:30. When you come, you usually load Windows Media Player and listen to music. It will have all the required things cached in RAM to give you lightning speed. This sort of speed could only be noticed in XP if you disabled pagefile, optimized RAM for more cache, and had loaded the program once before in the same user session.
You are not running out of RAM because of these things. Vista is so aggressive with its memory management. When a new program requires RAM, Vista can always give that program that RAM.

AI stuff sounds cool... may be someone will code that stuff to the linux kernel as well... but may be they already have it... but eh, vista require so much RAM for that little GUI!!!(when compared with 3D stuff in beryl, Compzi ;)) so its wasting RAM... i mean look at the minimum specs for a vista PC...

[Anusha]

AI stuff sounds cool... may be someone will code that stuff to the linux kernel as well... but may be they already have it... but eh, vista require so much RAM for that little GUI!!!(when compared with 3D stuff in beryl, Compzi ;)) so its wasting RAM... i mean look at the minimum specs for a vista PC...
Sure it requires somewhat higher specs. And I don't like it that much either.
But it's not the GUI that's using all those RAM. Mostly the services. Even if you turn off the GPU accelerated GUI, it will not lower the RAM consumption a lot.

You know, OSX can't do well with 512MB either. It requires 1GB or more smooth operation.

[dineitdark]

Sure it requires somewhat higher specs. And I don't like it that much either.
But it's not the GUI that's using all those RAM. Mostly the services. Even if you turn off the GPU accelerated GUI, it will not lower the RAM consumption a lot.

You know, OSX can't do well with 512MB either. It requires 1GB or more smooth operation.
haha... but not linux ;)

[Anusha]

haha... but not linux ;)
*nix uses less RAM doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing. It only means that lower-end PCs can run such OSes.

If *nix systems could be programmed to use more RAM, it might give better performance. It's much better than using only 256MB of 1GB RAM and running slower than which could otherwise deliver much better performance by utilizing 512MB of 1GB RAM. Don't you think so?

[shamike]

It is really good that srilankan music industry have come to a good standdard.Elakiri supports the music fans in srilanka 2 download latest videos;)

[dineitdark]

*nix uses less RAM doesn't necessarily mean it's a good thing. It only means that lower-end PCs can run such OSes.

If *nix systems could be programmed to use more RAM, it might give better performance. It's much better than using only 256MB of 1GB RAM and running slower than which could otherwise deliver much better performance by utilizing 512MB of 1GB RAM. Don't you think so?
well yar if the system really needs the RAM it will utilize it... i mean if u take a sys with 512, when the sys is doing stuff... it moves the less used processes to the swap part(virtual mem, in the hard).. so if u have 1GB then that stuff which was moved to swap will remain in RAM that will increase the speed.

and if linux can do more with less that means it can utilize RAM better... i mean if windows can handle 10 apps pararearly linux can do 15 or even more... i mean linux will not stop using the extra RAM if it really needs it. there is no such limit...

[gayannr]

It is really good that srilankan music industry have come to a good standdard.Elakiri supports the music fans in srilanka 2 download latest videos;)
machan this is not the thread u should be in:confused: :confused:

[dineitdark]

machan this is not the thread u should be in:confused: :confused:
yeah right... i was wondering what the heck is this??? hehe :)

[Anusha]

well yar if the system really needs the RAM it will utilize it... i mean if u take a sys with 512, when the sys is doing stuff... it moves the less used processes to the swap part(virtual mem, in the hard).. so if u have 1GB then that stuff which was moved to swap will remain in RAM that will increase the speed.

and if linux can do more with less that means it can utilize RAM better... i mean if windows can handle 10 apps pararearly linux can do 15 or even more... i mean linux will not stop using the extra RAM if it really needs it. there is no such limit...
Can you recommend a Live CD to check Linux? I wanna see how it performs compared to Vista in my PC.

[The_Ace]

you cannot check performance from LiveCDs. You can only check features, apps available and stuff like that. Main reason is since its runing off the CD, it's going to take time to uncompress the apps in to memory and run it.

However if you do want to try Linux out, PCLinuxOS, Mandriva , Mepis, Knoppix & Ubuntu will be good distros to try.

[Anusha]

you cannot check performance from LiveCDs. You can only check features, apps available and stuff like that. Main reason is since its runing off the CD, it's going to take time to uncompress the apps in to memory and run it.

However if you do want to try Linux out, PCLinuxOS, Mandriva , Mepis, Knoppix & Ubuntu will be good distros to try.
Well, I thought that would be a problem. Maybe I will install it on dad's PC.

[The_Ace]

Recommend you give PCLinuxOS a try. Has a good hardware detection system and drivers for new video cards. Just download the version for your Video card and give it a spin.
Its a LiveCD so you can run it and see if everything is working before actually installing it.

[dineitdark]

Recommend you give PCLinuxOS a try. Has a good hardware detection system and drivers for new video cards. Just download the version for your Video card and give it a spin.
Its a LiveCD so you can run it and see if everything is working before actually installing it.
yeah i downloaded it recently and its nice... open suse is a another good os...

[dineitdark]

Can you recommend a Live CD to check Linux? I wanna see how it performs compared to Vista in my PC.
apart from other stuff... i think knoppix is a another good one. but eh! macho u cant compare how it performs from a liveCD!!! hehe.. a live CD has approx 2Gigs of software in it.. packed together... so it is decompressing them on the fly... so obveicely it will be a bit slow... and you will need some RAM as your HD is not toched at all...

[dineitdark]

if u want 100% out of your PCs hardware... and if u are ready to sacrifice sometime for it... get gentoo and install it... u will learn a lots of things about ur computer while installing it... and u will compile a OS with all the other stuff just for your computer! that mean the compilation is optimized for your hardware, processor.... man ur computer will be ultra fast!

[amila325]

dudes i have put ubuntu 6.10 hi hi hi and configured wine as well :D :D :D it's just look like vista :lol: now im trying to get xp within linux :yes: :yes:

[The_Ace]

if u want 100% out of your PCs hardware... and if u are ready to sacrifice sometime for it... get gentoo and install it... u will learn a lots of things about ur computer while installing it... and u will compile a OS with all the other stuff just for your computer! that mean the compilation is optimized for your hardware, processor.... man ur computer will be ultra fast!

Gentoo is not for the faint of heat! Suggest you try this if you have 2 PCs (or virtual PCs) connected to the internet. You'll be spending quite a bit of time surfing and trouble shooting plus the time it takes to download source packages and compile them.

[amila325]

apart from other stuff... i think knoppix is a another good one. but eh! macho u cant compare how it performs from a liveCD!!! hehe.. a live CD has approx 2Gigs of software in it.. packed together... so it is decompressing them on the fly... so obveicely it will be a bit slow... and you will need some RAM as your HD is not toched at all...
:yes: and mahcan ubuntu is also giving live cd :D :D

[The_Ace]

Dude, Ubuntu isnt the only LiveCD based distro around. There are better options out there.

[dineitdark]

dudes i have put ubuntu 6.10 hi hi hi and configured wine as well :D :D :D it's just look like vista :lol: now im trying to get xp within linux :yes: :yes:
congrats! but why didnt you try something new?

[dineitdark]

Gentoo is not for the faint of heat! Suggest you try this if you have 2 PCs (or virtual PCs) connected to the internet. You'll be spending quite a bit of time surfing and trouble shooting plus the time it takes to download source packages and compile them.
hahaha :lol: :lol: :lol: yeah of course. i tried installing it like 2 times... and i gave up in the end... may be i should try it again... :)

[The_Ace]

congrats! but why didnt you try something new?
like ?

[dineitdark]

like ?
ubuntu edgy, feisty... u know they are the new versions....

[The_Ace]

ah! you meant new versions.
I though you meant something like running AIX or HPUX within linux when you said try something new. :D

[dineitdark]

:yes: and mahcan ubuntu is also giving live cd :D :D
yes of course and how can we forget that! hehe... i recently tried Ubuntu Feisty liveCD.. it damn have the 3D desktop and some nice copmzi effects!!!! on the liveCD!!! damn.. hehe.. but it took me 5 mins to activate it cause there was a little bug in it...it normal cause its still in beta... it will be fixed in the upcomming versions...

[dineitdark]

ah! you meant new versions.
I though you meant something like running AIX or HPUX within linux when you said try something new. :D
i c :) so what is ur system?

[amila325]

congrats! but why didnt you try something new?
did you mean without ubuntu??????

[amila325]

yes of course and how can we forget that! hehe... i recently tried Ubuntu Feisty liveCD.. it damn have the 3D desktop and some nice copmzi effects!!!! on the liveCD!!! damn.. hehe.. but it took me 5 mins to activate it cause there was a little bug in it...it normal cause its still in beta... it will be fixed in the upcomming versions...
wow it that having 3d desktop gr8 is it available in 6.10

[dineitdark]

ah! you meant new versions.
I though you meant something like running AIX or HPUX within linux when you said try something new. :D
i signed up for this sun solaris thing... and they have sent me 3 DVDs! haha, cool i have to try that now... its open solaris :)

[dineitdark]

did you mean without ubuntu??????
nope, i ment new versions :)

[dineitdark]

wow it that having 3d desktop gr8 is it available in 6.10
no machan its only in the latest ubuntu feisty beta... can't u download that?

[The_Ace]

i c :) so what is ur system?

Debian GNU/Linux (Debian Etch)
Kernel - 2.26-18.4 (stock debian kernel)
GUI - XFCE4

[The_Ace]

no machan its only in the latest ubuntu feisty beta... can't u download that?

Ubuntu is using Gnome GUI so this 3D thing is likely to be either a package for Gnome or an updated version of gnome. So updating your Gnome and/or installing the 3D package will give you the 3D desktop. No need to download the whole whole cd.

[dineitdark]

Debian GNU/Linux (Debian Etch)
Kernel - 2.26-18.4 (stock debian kernel)
GUI - XFCE4
grate! haha performance loving ha? i like XFCE too... though i don't use it that much.. heard that a new debian leader is gonna be elected...

[amila325]

nope, i ment new versions :)
hey i downloaded from the site ne

[dineitdark]

Ubuntu is using Gnome GUI so this 3D thing is likely to be either a package for Gnome or an updated version of gnome. So updating your Gnome and/or installing the 3D package will give you the 3D desktop. No need to download the whole whole cd.
no ubuntu is having compzi pre installed... and it is runing on top of gnome when u enable "Desktop features" or something like that... from the menu..

and yes u can just install beryl or compzi and get the effects but it is a bit risky... but anyways its fun!

[dineitdark]

hey i downloaded from the site ne
haha macho they are offering all three versions i guess.. 6.10 is the long term support version.. this is the one that u get from free CDs... that comes from ubuntu...

goto the site and check for the new ones :) or else u can do a distribution upgrade without downloading the whole iso again...

Ubuntu Feisty
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=5&url=http%3A%2F%2Freleases.ubuntu.com%2Ffeisty%2F&ei=SVEKRv7iJ5bksALK2qxF&usg=__M_l_hVDJz5zs2hWbUAyK5P-6ZqM=&sig2=WP6peCyMdNim8od53YL9Sw

[amila325]

no machan its only in the latest ubuntu feisty beta... can't u download that?
wht is the version i didnt c that

[amila325]

haha macho they are offering all three versions i guess.. 6.10 is the long term support version.. this is the one that u get from free CDs... that comes from ubuntu...

goto the site and check for the new ones :)
oh shit yeah right

[dineitdark]

oh shit yeah right
:D

[The_Ace]

grate! haha performance loving ha? i like XFCE too... though i don't use it that much.. heard that a new debian leader is gonna be elected...
Well, you gotta love its stability. Great distro for servers. I run all my servers on Debian.

XFCE...You learn to like it over time. Actually the main reason for XFCE was that KDE was just too big to DL (300+ mb). XFCE with most of the addons waas only 10 mb.
Since I did complete net install, XFCE was the best choice for me.

Dont know that much about the Debian management side as I'm really not that interested in who's leading what. I'm more interested in its usage and packages.

[dineitdark]

Well, you gotta love its stability. Great distro for servers. I run all my servers on Debian.

XFCE...You learn to like it over time. Actually the main reason for XFCE was that KDE was just too big to DL (300+ mb). XFCE with most of the addons waas only 10 mb.
Since I did complete net install, XFCE was the best choice for me.

Dont know that much about the Debian management side as I'm really not that interested in who's leading what. I'm more interested in its usage and packages.
coooool... way to go machan! haha i not much into that stuff too.. but its intresting how these OS projects are managed...

i wish i had some servers at home :(

[The_Ace]

no ubuntu is having compzi pre installed... and it is runing on top of gnome when u enable "Desktop features" or something like that... from the menu..

and yes u can just install beryl or compzi and get the effects but it is a bit risky... but anyways its fun!
ah! so its an application for gnome..

One problem with Ubuntu is that you cannot easilyupgrade it's oses without breaking the system. That is to say if you run Edgy, Upgrading to Feisty by downloading the new kernel wont work. This was disscussed in the Debian user list reasently (Debian being the base system Ubuntu is built on).

[The_Ace]

i wish i had some servers at home :(

Quite easy dude. Get a second hand PII machine and install Debian Sarge ( or any linux distro without X ).
Or use a Virtual PC for it . Vmware comes to mind.

[dineitdark]

ah! so its an application for gnome..

One problem with Ubuntu is that you cannot easilyupgrade it's oses without breaking the system. That is to say if you run Edgy, Upgrading to Feisty by downloading the new kernel wont work. This was disscussed in the Debian user list reasently (Debian being the base system Ubuntu is built on).
its like a window manager that runs on top of other window managers... im not clear on this. google compzi and beryl... they look so good man... damn amazing...

yeah must be... even in the past there were some issues in distro upgrading...

[dineitdark]

Quite easy dude. Get a second hand PII machine and install Debian Sarge ( or any linux distro without X ).
Or use a Virtual PC for it . Vmware comes to mind.
mani i know... but i dont have enough cash to buy anything anymore... hehe.. i can't ask ma parent for everything cause i have asked so much!!! :) hehe.. but after aprial im gonna do a little job and then i'll buy some P3s and setup a server farm in ma bed room!!! haha...

[djmlog103]

I dont know why many people in sri lanka runs windows 2003 server pro in their servers. first thing is it eats a lot of resources and the security wholes. today in my university the windows server crashed, and we had to wait a lot of time to get in to our windows accounts, cuz we had linux in our the client machines some of us were able to log in to it and do their programming work, but still couldnt get our printouts cuz its going through the windows sever.. :angry:

and talking about security in XP. you dont have any security if you have linux dual booting in the same box...ha ha haaaa. yep im talking about reality, the lab admins in the university are having a hard job trying to protect their passwords..lol. we just go to the system32 folder and get the SAM file and devrypt the passwords using SAM cracker...lol. what miracles can linux do ne?:lol:

[djmlog103]

did you guys remember that i started this post by saying about how im using Wine to run games, Well guess what, ive got the new Cedega!! this is the improved version of WineX and its sooooooooooooooooooooo coooooooooooooooooool, i can run a lot of games here, and Install them too. running setup from the CD is not a problem in here, The game Database it has tells you what games does it supports, and to tell you what. There are some huge ammount of games there.

i added some of the screen shots too.
ill put you guys the link to download it. there are seperate files for Suse, and for ubuntu and for any other distro too, and you have the binary file too.
http://rapidshare.com/files/23032863/Transgaming_Cedega-5.2.9_Full_Gui_and_Engine_.zip.html


hope you guys have fun enjoying the fun of gaming in linux
1446

[The_Ace]

mani i know... but i dont have enough cash to buy anything anymore... hehe.. i can't ask ma parent for everything cause i have asked so much!!! :) hehe.. but after aprial im gonna do a little job and then i'll buy some P3s and setup a server farm in ma bed room!!! haha...
Well no need to buy a separate PC then. Just install VMware and create a virtual server.
Or simply install the server software on your existing linux distro. Almost any linux distro can be used as a server.

[The_Ace]

did you guys remember that i started this post by saying about how im using Wine to run games, Well guess what, ive got the new Cedega!! this is the improved version of WineX and its sooooooooooooooooooooo coooooooooooooooooool, i can run a lot of games here, and Install them too. running setup from the CD is not a problem in here, The game Database it has tells you what games does it supports, and to tell you what. There are some huge ammount of games there.

i added some of the screen shots too.
ill put you guys the link to download it. there are seperate files for Suse, and for ubuntu and for any other distro too, and you have the binary file too.
http://rapidshare.com/files/23032863/Transgaming_Cedega-5.2.9_Full_Gui_and_Engine_.zip.html


hope you guys have fun enjoying the fun of gaming in linux

THanks for this

[dineitdark]

Well no need to buy a separate PC then. Just install VMware and create a virtual server.
Or simply install the server software on your existing linux distro. Almost any linux distro can be used as a server.
i can keep my lap on 24/7... but ma mom doesn't like that cause the electricity bill goes too high... hehe.. but i still keep it on ;) im running apache(im having ma own forum and stuff here! hehe.. thanks to OS..), sshd.. on it... but the thing is the lap is always busy with torrents... and when some torrent download or upload is in progress my router is ultra busy.. and slow to respond... so http requests that comes to ma web server gets dropped and stuff... i feel that the router is not capable enough! :) ????

hmmm... i wanna play with VMware yes... but if i emulate two machines.. it will drastically reduce my lap's performance ??? will it???

[magichashan]

meka ela

[dineitdark]

did you guys remember that i started this post by saying about how im using Wine to run games, Well guess what, ive got the new Cedega!! this is the improved version of WineX and its sooooooooooooooooooooo coooooooooooooooooool, i can run a lot of games here, and Install them too. running setup from the CD is not a problem in here, The game Database it has tells you what games does it supports, and to tell you what. There are some huge ammount of games there.

i added some of the screen shots too.
ill put you guys the link to download it. there are seperate files for Suse, and for ubuntu and for any other distro too, and you have the binary file too.
http://rapidshare.com/files/23032863/Transgaming_Cedega-5.2.9_Full_Gui_and_Engine_.zip.html


hope you guys have fun enjoying the fun of gaming in linux
1446
thanks for this buddy! :)

[dineitdark]

meka ela
mokakda?

[The_Ace]

i can keep my lap on 24/7... but ma mom doesn't like that cause the electricity bill goes too high...
A laptop doesnt take much power. Running one 24/7 will give you other problems as Laptops are not designed to run 24/7.

hehe.. but i still keep it on ;) im running apache(im having ma own forum and stuff here! hehe.. thanks to OS..), sshd.. on it... but the thing is the lap is always busy with torrents... and when some torrent download or upload is in progress my router is ultra busy.. and slow to respond... so http requests that comes to ma web server gets dropped and stuff... i feel that the router is not capable enough! :) ????

This is not because the router is incapable. Its because you dont have enough bandwith left for your web site!

hmmm... i wanna play with VMware yes... but if i emulate two machines.. it will drastically reduce my lap's performance ??? will it???
Not if the guest os doesnt use much resources.
IF you try to run windows 2k or higher, you WILL need lots of memory and HD space but if you install another linux ver without X as your guest os, you wont see any performance drop in the host.

[dineitdark]

A laptop doesnt take much power. Running one 24/7 will give you other problems as Laptops are not designed to run 24/7.


This is not because the router is incapable. Its because you dont have enough bandwith left for your web site!


Not if the guest os doesnt use much resources.
IF you try to run windows 2k or higher, you WILL need lots of memory and HD space but if you install another linux ver without X as your guest os, you wont see any performance drop in the host.
there is another desktop that i can 24 hours.. i don't run it cause it needs a lot of power, and the lap is the only thing that i can run 24 hors... and as you said its risky... :(

hehe... its not only the bandwidth, sometimes when i try to access the web server using the globle IP, the router replies with a bad URL message! this does not happen all the time... only sometimes... the router is confusing http requests to the web server as requests to it self(it have a web server as well...)...

so its not bandwidth is it?

yeah thats true... without X it won't take much memory... i guess i should try that... and hehe... if u run win inside hehe... it will be a waste... but still when u run win on top of linux it works better :)

[The_Ace]

there is another desktop that i can 24 hours.. i don't run it cause it needs a lot of power, and the lap is the only thing that i can run 24 hors... and as you said its risky... :(

Install linux on the desktop and run it without the monitor. That'll drop the power usage.

hehe... its not only the bandwidth, sometimes when i try to access the web server using the globle IP, the router replies with a bad URL message! this does not happen all the time... only sometimes... the router is confusing http requests to the web server as requests to it self(it have a web server as well...)...

so its not bandwidth is it?
Cant say aything without know what kind of setup you got there. From what you say, I suppose you have a Single public IP setup, maybe ADSL ? and your router is NATing your PC & Laptop to access the web and its also doing a port forwarding to allow the web to access your web server ?
In such a setup if you try to access the public IP from your laptop/PC, It'll send you to the Router instead of your internal webserver. This is expected behaviour.

[Anusha]

PC don't consume that much power as you think.

[The_Ace]

PC don't consume that much power as you think.
The nagging mother doesnt actualy care about the power consumption :D Its a rethotical nag! :P

Was in that situation some time back..

[Anusha]

The nagging mother doesnt actualy care about the power consumption :D Its a rethotical nag! :P

Was in that situation some time back..
I proved it to them. Now I'm free :D

[dineitdark]

The nagging mother doesnt actualy care about the power consumption :D Its a rethotical nag! :P

Was in that situation some time back..
yeah! :) she is alagic to computers! hehe.. now i can understand her... i mean she does not see any meaning in me hosting a site in my bed room... or me running a server.. well there is no real reason other than FUN!!! hehe.. but for ma mom its no fun! :rolleyes:

u know moms men... well she is better than my grandma, she is hates to see me staring at the screen at any time....

[dineitdark]

I proved it to them. Now I'm free :D
how come??? tell us about it! u may help us be free too!!!

[dineitdark]

Install linux on the desktop and run it without the monitor. That'll drop the power usage.


Cant say aything without know what kind of setup you got there. From what you say, I suppose you have a Single public IP setup, maybe ADSL ? and your router is NATing your PC & Laptop to access the web and its also doing a port forwarding to allow the web to access your web server ?
In such a setup if you try to access the public IP from your laptop/PC, It'll send you to the Router instead of your internal webserver. This is expected behaviour.
yeah thats the excat setup... i know that it happens if i try to access it from my lap using the public IP... but normaly i can access the web server from the other comp.. but sometimes that comp gets errors like what i've explained above.... is this expected too?? why is this??? please explain...

[djmlog103]

i can keep my lap on 24/7... but ma mom doesn't like that cause the electricity bill goes too high... hehe.. but i still keep it on ;) im running apache(im having ma own forum and stuff here! hehe.. thanks to OS..), sshd.. on it... but the thing is the lap is always busy with torrents... and when some torrent download or upload is in progress my router is ultra busy.. and slow to respond... so http requests that comes to ma web server gets dropped and stuff... i feel that the router is not capable enough! :) ????

hmmm... i wanna play with VMware yes... but if i emulate two machines.. it will drastically reduce my lap's performance ??? will it???


vm ware is great, butif you have a pc with some normal specs... i recommend you dont use it cuz i9ve used it in 512mb, 123vga with 2Ghz. and and it doesnt give that much speed in the VM as you think, but you get a decent speed to work!!!

[Anusha]

how come??? tell us about it! u may help us be free too!!!
Our January bill was 250 units. Dad was furious. I talked with my friends and all of them told me that the largest contribution comes from electric kettle (heater as well), fridge, iron and motor. We can't stop fridge and motor. I had to do something about the kettle and the iron. I ironed a week's clothes in one go and asked mom to stop using the kettle, just to see how it affects the bill. None of the other usages were not changed. Next month's bill had only 173 units. That saved us over Rs.2,000!!!

[dineitdark]

vm ware is great, butif you have a pc with some normal specs... i recommend you dont use it cuz i9ve used it in 512mb, 123vga with 2Ghz. and and it doesnt give that much speed in the VM as you think, but you get a decent speed to work!!!
i c

[Anusha]

vm ware is great, butif you have a pc with some normal specs... i recommend you dont use it cuz i9ve used it in 512mb, 123vga with 2Ghz. and and it doesnt give that much speed in the VM as you think, but you get a decent speed to work!!!
512MB RAM is not enough I suppose. Has anyone used VirtualBox in Linux?

[dineitdark]

Our January bill was 250 units. Dad was furious. I talked with my friends and all of them told me that the largest contribution comes from electric kettle (heater as well), fridge, iron and motor. We can't stop fridge and motor. I had to do something about the kettle and the iron. I ironed a week's clothes in one go and asked mom to stop using the kettle, just to see how it affects the bill. None of the other usages were not changed. Next month's bill had only 173 units. That saved us over Rs.2,000!!!

haha cool! i think i should try this as well

[dineitdark]

haha cool! i think i should try this as well
but then i'll have iron everything ba ma self!!! :confused:

[Anusha]

but then i'll have iron everything ba ma self!!! :confused:
:rolleyes:

[dineitdark]

:rolleyes:
haha... there is a trade off in everything ne... i m gonna do it next month :)

[The_Ace]

yeah thats the excat setup... i know that it happens if i try to access it from my lap using the public IP... but normaly i can access the web server from the other comp.. but sometimes that comp gets errors like what i've explained above.... is this expected too?? why is this??? please explain...

Can you explain the network setup in your LAN ?
What's the DHCP and DNS servers for your Laptop and PC ?
And how have you setup port forwarding ? How have you registered your domain and its DNS entries ?

Need more info to understand what's happening at your end.

[dineitdark]

Can you explain the network setup in your LAN ?
What's the DHCP and DNS servers for your Laptop and PC ?
And how have you setup port forwarding ? How have you registered your domain and its DNS entries ?

Need more info to understand what's happening at your end.
ma router have a DHCP server... but the lap is configed to use a static IP... and the lap is running a DNS server as well to speed up browsing... yes port forwarding is set... 80 is forwarded to ma lap. and the router's httpd is running on 8080 to avoid any conflicts...

the domain is registered as DDNS... in DynWeb... free service, i've registered two domain names... thats pointing to my public ip which is a dynamic one.... i've set up a little program in ma lap to sync the public ip with the one registered in dynweb...

[The_Ace]

and the lap is running a DNS server as well to speed up browsing... .

Here's your problem. In that local DNS Server set entry to your website to point to the private IP of the webserver. Otherwise the local DNS server will always send you to the router.

But in either case, if you try to browse to the public IP from within your LAN, you'll always go to the router cause the router is considering this query as a query to the web.

something like this :

Public IP Resolve IP Resolved as router
PC-------------->Gateway(Router)------------->Router

[dineitdark]

Here's your problem. In that local DNS Server set entry to your website to point to the private IP of the webserver. Otherwise the local DNS server will always send you to the router.

But in either case, if you try to browse to the public IP from within your LAN, you'll always go to the router cause the router is considering this query as a query to the web.

something like this :

Public IP Resolve IP Resolved as router
PC-------------->Gateway(Router)------------->Router
i can access everything with my private ip, no problems with that... but i want to access the web server with the public ip to make sure that it will work when somebody else try to access it... you know... i don't want them to see my router's stuf!!!! hehe..

will anyone who is trying to access the server from the outside have a problem? will he or she be directed to my router's web server rather than my one???

[shanX]

Our January bill was 250 units. Dad was furious. I talked with my friends and all of them told me that the largest contribution comes from electric kettle (heater as well), fridge, iron and motor. We can't stop fridge and motor. I had to do something about the kettle and the iron. I ironed a week's clothes in one go and asked mom to stop using the kettle, just to see how it affects the bill. None of the other usages were not changed. Next month's bill had only 173 units. That saved us over Rs.2,000!!!
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[The_Ace]

i can access everything with my private ip, no problems with that... but i want to access the web server with the public ip to make sure that it will work when somebody else try to access it... you know... i don't want them to see my router's stuf!!!! hehe..

will anyone who is trying to access the server from the outside have a problem? will he or she be directed to my router's web server rather than my one???
outsiders will not have a problem. They'll be sent to your webserver cause the router will forward them correctly. This problem comes up only if you try to access the public IP from within the LAN.
You can check if everything appears ok on th epublic IP by using an external proxy server or by querring for your site via dnsstuff.com

[heshan123]

Thanks macho.

[dineitdark]

outsiders will not have a problem. They'll be sent to your webserver cause the router will forward them correctly. This problem comes up only if you try to access the public IP from within the LAN.
You can check if everything appears ok on th epublic IP by using an external proxy server or by querring for your site via dnsstuff.com
wow! grate idea! thanks buddy...