What is better: an experiment with winrar winzip and 7zip

[coolioWiZ]

What is better WinZip (http://www.winzip.com), WinRar (http://www.rarlabs.com) or 7Zip (http://www.7zip.org).

I did a test for compression ratios and time taken by archiving the same set of files with all 3 programs and measuring the time taken to compress and compressed size. ;)

The computer used was a laptop with following specifications:
Intel Centrino Duo 1.83GHz
1GB DDR2 RAM

The folder used for the test:
contents: several pdf documents
size: 101MB

The compression ratio was calculated as the disk space saved, ie:

Compression Ratio(Space Saved) = 1 - Compressed Size / Uncompressed Size
The higher percentage means better compression

WinZip 11.0
============

Test 1
-------
compression: optimize for maximum compression
time to compress: 2 min 03 sec
compressed size: 84.1MB
compression ratio: 16.73%

Test 2
-------
compression: bzip format
time to compress: 38 sec
compressed size: 86.1MB
compression ratio: 14.75%

WinRar 3.70
============

Test 1
-------
compression: rar format
dictionary size: 4MB
time to compress: 57 sec
compressed size: 85.4MB
compression ratio: 15.45%

Test 2
-------
compression: zip format
time to compress: 12 sec
compressed size: 87.5MB
compression ratio: 13.37%

7Zip 4.52 beta
===========

Test 1
-------
archive format: 7z format
compression method: LZMA
dictionary size: 16MB
word size: 32
CPU Threads: 2/2
time to compress: 42 sec
compressed size: 84.8MB
compression ratio: 16.04%

Test 2
-------
archive format: zip format
compression method: Deflate
dictionary size: 32KB
word size: 32
CPU Threads: 2/2
time to compress: 10 sec
compressed size: 87.5MB
compression ratio: 13.37%

Test 3
-------
archive format: zip format
compression method: bzip2
dictionary size: 900KB
CPU Threads: 2/2
time to compress: 29 sec
compressed size: 86.1MB
compression ratio: 14.75%


Conclusion (for zip format) :shocked:
=============

WinZip with optimization (zip format) takes 2 min 03 sec gives compression of 16.73%
WinRar (zip format) takes 12 sec gives compression of 13.37%
7Zip (zip format) takes 10 sec gives compression of 13.37%

Comparing overall 7Zip gives better performance with time and WinZip performs better on compressing but takes too much time.
:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

C'mon guys give your ideas.
:) :lol:

[Anusha]

I removed WinRAR. Don't wanna install it again :D

Still, with some files, the split RAR archive issue is there with 7-zip :(

[coolioWiZ]

I still haven't ecountered a splitted rar which couldn't be uncompressed with 7zip. Maybe it's due to that I give priority to winrar when working with rar archives.

I think I can safely remove winzip, but I'll not be able to remove winrar if there is a problem with extracing splitted archives in 7zip. coz most of the important files on the internet (torrents :P) comes as rar archives. I'd like to keep one program for all archives. :(

There is another option floating around.
http://www.izarc.org/
It can open many formats from 7z to rar also CD images. But I'm not sure about it's archive making abilties

[Anusha]

I still haven't ecountered a splitted rar which couldn't be uncompressed with 7zip. Maybe it's due to that I give priority to winrar when working with rar archives.

I think I can safely remove winzip, but I'll not be able to remove winrar if there is a problem with extracing splitted archives in 7zip. coz most of the important files on the internet (torrents :P) comes as rar archives. I'd like to keep one program for all archives. :(

There is another option floating around.
http://www.izarc.org/
It can open many formats from 7z to rar also CD images. But I'm not sure about it's archive making abilties
But 7-zip gets a lot of points for its 64bit-ness. :)

[coolioWiZ]

I think so :lol:

I'm not sure about the performace of IZarc and the types of archives it can create, I only considered that it can open a lots of formats.

I like 7zip for the fact that it's opensource and gives better compression options, they could work about the gui, but it's not much of a matter. If I want a single archiver for all formats I dearly want it to be 7zip.

I've lived with countless linux distros which give you a zillion of programs for a single task and none could do it better.
eg: wordprocessing ----> abiword,openoffice writer, KOffice's wordprocessor.
It's worse with music ---> amarok,mplayer,xine,xmms,banshee and more :(

So a single program which excells at a given task is important to me, I'll take 7zip for archiving if I just could seperate from winrar. :(

[coolioWiZ]

Maniac compressors :shocked:

http://www.klaimsoft.com/winuha/
http://www.msoftware.co.nz/WinRK_about.php
http://kgbarchiver.net/
I need to test these programs :lol:

Longhorn (circa 2005) iso compressed to 2.2MB
http://www.esnips.com/doc/2799928f-1924-4369-844e-84dce74f7693/Full_Longhorn.zip
I can't believe how this was achieved, or which the program used to do that. :shocked:

More info about unbelievable compressions, programs to achive 99% compression ratios (under extreme test conditions)
http://www.maximumcompression.com/

[mkranga]

Maniac compressors :shocked:

http://www.klaimsoft.com/winuha/
http://www.msoftware.co.nz/WinRK_about.php
http://kgbarchiver.net/
I need to test these programs :lol:

Longhorn (circa 2005) iso compressed to 2.2MB
http://www.esnips.com/doc/2799928f-1924-4369-844e-84dce74f7693/Full_Longhorn.zip
I can't believe how this was achieved, or which the program used to do that. :shocked:

More info about unbelievable compressions, programs to achive 99% compression ratios (under extreme test conditions)
http://www.maximumcompression.com/

Uha is good but no GUI (till gazali show it)

[coolioWiZ]

Uha is good but no GUI (till gazali show it)

Try KGB archiver or WinRK that's going to blow you. :lol:

[Anusha]

Try KGB archiver or WinRK that's going to blow you. :lol:
That's gonna blow his PC, if it doesn't blow him before that :D

[mkranga]

i herd & used Uha but not other.

[madurax86]

try winUHARC

[madurax86]

try winUHA RC1 2005 release

[Anusha]

try winUHA RC1 2005 release
It was the slowest of them all, even though it resulted with a little better compression ratio. But the time it too for that is too much to justify it. 100s+ compared to 3-4s of 7-zip (Zip format, normal compression)

[mkranga]

It was the slowest of them all, even though it resulted with a little better compression ratio. But the time it too for that is too much to justify it. 100s+ compared to 3-4s of 7-zip (Zip format, normal compression)

if u have big cash mem its not a big deal.

some times we need more than we have. thats why uha is still there.

[coolioWiZ]

That's gonna blow his PC, if it doesn't blow him before that :D
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[coolioWiZ]

if u have big cash mem its not a big deal.

some times we need more than we have. thats why uha is still there.

I don't think cache is a problem, Mainly it's processing power and RAM.
Also primary memory comes as registers in the processor, the cache, and RAM. On that line you can say that the processor registers are also "important".
:lol:

Some compression algorithms are designed with the compression ratio in mind, they doesn't consider about the user friendliness or computer resources used. They are used as a testbed for testing extreme limits of data compression. From them you can't hope for less compression times. Or for the fact user friendly GUIs, see most including "uha" are commandline.

You can't whine about using too much resources when using these programs, they are designed hoping you have enough processing power to handle them without blowing your PC to the moon :lol: :P

WinZip, WinRar and 7Zip are general purpose compression programs trying to balance the compression ratio and time taken, so resulting in a program anybody can use. :)

[Anusha]

if u have big cash mem its not a big deal.

some times we need more than we have. thats why uha is still there.
My CPU only has ~2MB cache.

And I don't agree with your other statement. "some times we need more than we have. thats why uha is still there." Hell no!!! ALWAYS we need more than what we have. :lol:

[Anusha]

I don't think cache is a problem, Mainly it's processing power and RAM.
Also primary memory comes as registers in the processor, the cache, and RAM. On that line you can say that the processor registers are also "important".
:lol:
Without registers, CPUs won't be there. Not so with cache. Cache it just to speedup the fetching of data and instructions to be processed by the CPU using the locality of reference factor. CPU has no clue as to the existence or the size of the cache.

Anyways...registers are not important in this case, because every CPU has registers that is enough to do what it is supposed to do (except certain RISC architecture CPUs which can create register stacks instead of memory stacks for instruction stacking)

I would like to compare 7-zip performance with a Conroe CPU running at my specs. Mine is a Conroe-2M.

[coolioWiZ]

My CPU only has ~2MB cache.

And I don't agree with your other statement. "some times we need more than we have. thats why uha is still there." Hell no!!! ALWAYS we need more than what we have. :lol:

That's true, we always want more. :yes:

Even cats agree:
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/1530/moarcatwm1.jpg

Our computer hardware gets better day by day. To match it our software (OS, games, packages) ask for more resources. So we are constantly in a thrist for more speed, more power. :yes: :yes:
Also having extra resources is better than having only the required minimum. Maybe supercomputer power for our desktops will be affordable in the near future. :D

[Anusha]

That's true, we always want more. :yes:

Even cats agree:
http://img395.imageshack.us/img395/1530/moarcatwm1.jpg

Our computer hardware gets better day by day. To match it our software (OS, games, packages) ask for more resources. So we are constantly in a thrist for more speed, more power. :yes: :yes:
Also having extra resources is better than having only the required minimum. Maybe supercomputer power for our desktops will be affordable in the near future. :D
We will have the power of 1 teraflop within 3 years I think. The 80-core Intel behemoth :love: :love: What's amazing is how it uses less power than a contemporary Core 2 Duo at full load. This is 80 * 3.2GHz !!! :shocked:

[coolioWiZ]

Without registers, CPUs won't be there. Not so with cache. Cache it just to speedup the fetching of data and instructions to be processed by the CPU using the locality of reference factor. CPU has no clue as to the existence or the size of the cache.

Anyways...registers are not important in this case, because every CPU has registers that is enough to do what it is supposed to do (except certain RISC architecture CPUs which can create register stacks instead of memory stacks for instruction stacking)

I would like to compare 7-zip performance with a Conroe CPU running at my specs. Mine is a Conroe-2M.

I'm quite mixing up my basics. :(
I was just trying to make an example for that cache is important argument.

I agree that there will be no CPU without it's set of registers. Different processor architectures have different instruction sets. This might be useful in designing compression algorithms. I've heard that the architecture is closely observed in creating encryption algorithms and for creating encryption crackers (decryption).
I'll very much like to do some compression tests on architectures like Sun SPARC, I also don't have much experience with AMD processors.

The laptop I did the tests was a Core 2 Duo T5600 processor. (1.83GHz 667MHz FSB 2MB L2 cache)

[Anusha]

My tests were conducted on a 2.8GHz Core 2 Duo with 1600MHz FSB (overclocked as you can see :D) and 2MB L2 :(

[coolioWiZ]

We will have the power of 1 teraflop within 3 years I think. The 80-core Intel behemoth :love: :love: What's amazing is how it uses less power than a contemporary Core 2 Duo at full load. This is 80 * 3.2GHz !!! :shocked:

Yes that's super power at todays standards. Who knows what we are going to need in a few years. :)
I'd like to see that with this:
http://www.nvidia.com/object/tesla_deskside.html

[Ranhiru]

I use WinRAR. And if i want really high compression i use UHARC!

[mkranga]

your 7Zip 32bit da 64bit da ?

[mkranga]

You girls always think wrong……………..(kawada hadeida manda)

Some times it’s more important compression than time. (It’s true to me)
Eg: Data backup process. Creating game collection CD, etc…

When we need extreme compression, which will help us?

Still didn’t get it……if…….forget it.

[coolioWiZ]

your 7Zip 32bit da 64bit da ?
64bit for Core2 and 32bit for P3 and P4

7zip gives you the choice for a 64bit/32bit version, winrar and winzip doesn't.

[coolioWiZ]

You girls always think wrong……………..(kawada hadeida manda)

Some times it’s more important compression than time. (It’s true to me)
Eg: Data backup process. Creating game collection CD, etc…

When we need extreme compression, which will help us?

Still didn’t get it……if…….forget it.


If you have an old machine, It will take too much time to compress with programs like KGB UHA or WinRK. As I told earlier these programs are optimized for extreme compression ratios, not normal home use. Normal home use means things like packing some files to send through email (you can use even tar format). Windows does its own compression in NTFS drives to save disk space. Normal compression programs are optimized for the convenience of general use by the busy individual who can't wait hours until his pack of files are compressed or extracted. And also to give a fair compression ratio.

You would be comfortable with programs like 7zip and winrar in general use. Don't try the high compression archivers unless you have a machine with high processing power and you are ready to spend some time. (patience will be very much appreciated :P)

Don't hope programs like UHA to be user friendly, but WinRK might be a good choice for you to backup your games and music. :)

There are only a few in this world who needs extreme compressions, scientists and researchers in labs (can be IT or non IT), businesses which are highly sensitive to data and which needs to manage a very large archive, government sector (law, police etc) and last. . . . . . . . . . . . .pirates! :lol:

Do you belong to any of the above to need extreme data compressions. I also do backups of my data, but I'll not try to compress them with archivers, suppose you want a single file from a very large archive you have burned to a CD, (winzip seems ok, but rar will take too much time to extract the file), Also you may want to use your data on another OS like Linux, You will be in deep trouble since rar is not supported in Linux. In case of a CD of music tracks, you could have played it in a CD/DVD player if it's not archived.

Remember, data must be backuped, but the golden rule is that the backup data must be easily retrievable anywhere anytime. So IMHO it's convenient to have your backup CDs/DVDs in raw format than archives. :yes:


UHA is very popular among pirates who create game collections :P

[Anusha]

If you have an old machine, It will take too much time to compress with programs like KGB UHA or WinRK. As I told earlier these programs are optimized for extreme compression ratios, not normal home use. Normal home use means things like packing some files to send through email (you can use even tar format). Windows does its own compression in NTFS drives to save disk space. Normal compression programs are optimized for the convenience of general use by the busy individual who can't wait hours until his pack of files are compressed or extracted. And also to give a fair compression ratio.

You would be comfortable with programs like 7zip and winrar in general use. Don't try the high compression archivers unless you have a machine with high processing power and you are ready to spend some time. (patience will be very much appreciated :P)

Don't hope programs like UHA to be user friendly, but WinRK might be a good choice for you to backup your games and music. :)

There are only a few in this world who needs extreme compressions, scientists and researchers in labs (can be IT or non IT), businesses which are highly sensitive to data and which needs to manage a very large archive, government sector (law, police etc) and last. . . . . . . . . . . . .pirates! :lol:

Do you belong to any of the above to need extreme data compressions. I also do backups of my data, but I'll not try to compress them with archivers, suppose you want a single file from a very large archive you have burned to a CD, (winzip seems ok, but rar will take too much time to extract the file), Also you may want to use your data on another OS like Linux, You will be in deep trouble since rar is not supported in Linux. In case of a CD of music tracks, you could have played it in a CD/DVD player if it's not archived.

Remember, data must be backuped, but the golden rule is that the backup data must be easily retrievable anywhere anytime. So IMHO it's convenient to have your backup CDs/DVDs in raw format than archives. :yes:


UHA is very popular among pirates who create game collections :P
Indeed :D

[Udesh1991]

Kollo elakiri Niyamaine?........ Ha....

[Anusha]

Kollo elakiri Niyamaine?........ Ha....
Adada mulinma biwwe? :P

[coolioWiZ]

Adada mulinma biwwe? :P

:lol:

[mkranga]

64bit for Core2 and 32bit for P3 and P4

7zip gives you the choice for a 64bit/32bit version, winrar and winzip doesn't.
hapoi...!~ nothing to say but motta *******

oyage experiment ekata gaththu versions eka mokakda?

that will give answer to your > :confused:

[mkranga]

Originally Posted by coolioWiZ
If you have an old machine, It will take too much time to compress with programs like KGB UHA or WinRK. As I told earlier these programs are optimized for extreme compression ratios, not normal home use. Normal home use means things like packing some files to send through email (you can use even tar format). Windows does its own compression in NTFS drives to save disk space. Normal compression programs are optimized for the convenience of general use by the busy individual who can't wait hours until his pack of files are compressed or extracted. And also to give a fair compression ratio.

You would be comfortable with programs like 7zip and winrar in general use. Don't try the high compression archivers unless you have a machine with high processing power and you are ready to spend some time. (patience will be very much appreciated )

Don't hope programs like UHA to be user friendly, but WinRK might be a good choice for you to backup your games and music.

There are only a few in this world who needs extreme compressions, scientists and researchers in labs (can be IT or non IT), businesses which are highly sensitive to data and which needs to manage a very large archive, government sector (law, police etc) and last. . . . . . . . . . . . .pirates!

Do you belong to any of the above to need extreme data compressions. I also do backups of my data, but I'll not try to compress them with archivers, suppose you want a single file from a very large archive you have burned to a CD, (winzip seems ok, but rar will take too much time to extract the file), Also you may want to use your data on another OS like Linux, You will be in deep trouble since rar is not supported in Linux. In case of a CD of music tracks, you could have played it in a CD/DVD player if it's not archived.

Remember, data must be backuped, but the golden rule is that the backup data must be easily retrievable anywhere anytime. So IMHO it's convenient to have your backup CDs/DVDs in raw format than archives.


UHA is very popular among pirates who create game collections Indeed :D


mooda joduwa.:lol:

always wayar patalawa gannawa.

Where is the point?:confused:

[coolioWiZ]

mooda joduwa.:lol:
always wayar patalawa gannawa.
Where is the point?:confused:

:rofl:

http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/7479/lamena3.jpg

[Thenura]

Ane manda

[blackroses]

mmmmmm ............ using winrar stil

[coolioWiZ]

mmmmmm ............ using winrar stil
Try 7zip also :D

[mkranga]

mmmmmm ............ using winrar stil

ya ya winrar yaaaa....!

[Anusha]

ya ya winrar yaaaa....!
mooda joduwa.:lol:

always wayar patalawa gannawa.

Where is the point?:confused:
People who don't use full the capabilities of their hardware, when that is possible, are the stupid idiots...:rolleyes:

[isharackp]

mama gaawa WINZIP & WINRAR dekama thiyenawa bt
Most of the times I use WinRaR
:D :D :D :D

[mkranga]

People who don't use full the capabilities of their hardware, when that is possible, are the stupid idiots...:rolleyes:

can't agreed.

and

There is lots of ppl still use 32bit in sl.
experiment with 32bit>>64bit=can't agreed.

now whoooos the stupid idiots...:rolleyes::shocked:



:lol:

:lol:

:lol:

[mkranga]

mama gaawa WINZIP & WINRAR dekama thiyenawa bt
Most of the times I use WinRaR
:D :D :D :D
ya ya winrar yaaaaa...!

count 4. (okai with me)

[Anusha]

can't agreed.

and

There is lots of ppl still use 32bit in sl.
experiment with 32bit>>64bit=can't agreed.

now whoooos the stupid idiots...:rolleyes::shocked:



:lol:

:lol:

:lol:
Did I ask them to use 32bit? Did I ask anyone to buy a 64bit processor and a 64bit OS?

There are a lot of Sri Lankan people who have 64bit CPUs (maybe they don't know that they have, maybe they don't know what is it, maybe they don't care what it is, maybe they are pure stupid, maybe they want to move into 64bit but they can't because something they want doesn't work in it) and still running XP 32bit.

I have a 64bit processor and I'm taking full use of it's capabilities. If you don't, it's not my problem.

Clearly the 64bit version of 7zip outperforms everything else. Then why use the 32bit version of it, anything 32bit for that matter?

Besides, you are the n00b who compresses files and burn to CDs/DVDs. One read error, and bye bye everything :rolleyes:

[isharackp]

hmm??:confused: :confused: :confused:

[mkranga]

hmm??:confused: :confused: :confused:
ganan ganna epa anu akkata tharaha giyama ohoma thamai,kiyanne monawadakiyala danne ne.:lol:

[mkranga]

(maybe they don't know that they have, maybe they don't know what is it, maybe they don't care what it is, maybe they are pure stupid, maybe they want to move into 64bit but they can't because something they want doesn't work in it) ya ya ya MAY BE

I have a 64bit processor and I'm taking full use of it's capabilities. If you don't, it's not my problem. till you r in time.(i meeen thuch with IT).i'll remind you after 10 or 20 (or 5) years later. i think you will :( :sorry:

Besides, you are the n00b :growl: :angry: who compresses files and burn to CDs/DVDs. One read error, and bye bye everything :rolleyes: cd/ dvd gahanne asawata nemei, There’s a rules in that presses (Commercial/backup).try to learn them.:cool:

[Anusha]

till you r in time.(i meeen thuch with IT).i'll remind you after 10 or 20 (or 5) years later. i think you will :( :sorry:
cd/ dvd gahanne asawata nemei, There’s a rules in that presses (Commercial/backup).try to learn them.:cool:
Please be more clear :confused: :confused: :confused:

[mkranga]

i know ; but i dont. i don't like rabbit.

[SAN_APIIT]

Wow thanks guys. really interesting thread. :yes:

I use RAR and UHARC, well i'm not much in to compressing files. :D ;)

though i ones had a AVI file (167MB) compressed to 4.7MB. wonder what kind of algorithms do that kind of magic to a video file. :confused:

Any way as u guys know what the best compressing tool commercially available today. ???

[coolioWiZ]

I thought I had enough of this. But when you post, Ranga I can't just stay shut.

:lol:

[coolioWiZ]

People who don't use full the capabilities of their hardware, when that is possible, are the stupid idiots...:rolleyes:

I agree.

When someone goes to buy a new comp, they will buy the biggest option which is possible for their budget. We like to have the coolest, cutting edge gadgets in our hand as soon as we can. Even we can't buy we drool at the mention of ASUS Lamborghinis, iPhones, 80core processors and even Plasma TVs.
When you go to buy a cool new gfx card, you will also buy the latest game in town to test. Everybody who buy these type of top end hardware test them to the limit. When you see your hardware performing at extremes, the thrill is endless. I totally agree anyone who doesn't "use to the limit" the hardware they buy are idiots.

I tend to be conservative about the resources the system will use, that's because the lesser resources a program use, I can accommodate other programs to run together. Doing several tasks together (lol multitasking) increases the amount of work I can get done in a given time. This is the same reason multicore processors are out there, do more in a given time. If proper 64bit optimized versions are available for programs I use, I'll definitely use them.

[coolioWiZ]

can't agreed.

and

There is lots of ppl still use 32bit in sl.
experiment with 32bit>>64bit=can't agreed.

now whoooos the stupid idiots...:rolleyes::shocked:



I used the 64bit 7zip version. Sadly the only 32bit computer I have is a P3 which runs entirely on linux. :lol:
I'll agree that being optimized gives 7zip the edge, but the other programs winzip and winrar were also run on the same computer. I can't take blame for the inability of winzip or winrar to produce a 64bit optimized version.


A curious trait in Sri Lankan people are that they are tech hungry, that is they will buy the latest hardware soon as they can regardless of the money they have in hand. I'll bet most people who use computers (ordinary desktop users, not businesses) have switched to mulitcore processors.

[coolioWiZ]

Besides, you are the n00b who compresses files and burn to CDs/DVDs. One read error, and bye bye everything :rolleyes:

:lol:


cd/ dvd gahanne asawata nemei, There’s a rules in that presses (Commercial/backup).try to learn them.

Do you work in a press office :shocked:
Did they tell you to compress everything you backup. AFAIK businesses doesn't burn CDs with compressed archives if they feel they will want them at a time. ie: audit records. :eek:

i know ; but i dont. i don't like rabbit.
:confused:

[coolioWiZ]

Wow thanks guys. really interesting thread. :yes:

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)


I use RAR and UHARC, well i'm not much in to compressing files. :D ;)

though i ones had a AVI file (167MB) compressed to 4.7MB. wonder what kind of algorithms do that kind of magic to a video file. :confused:

You will like to read these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_compression
http://www.maximumcompression.com/index.html


Any way as u guys know what the best compressing tool commercially available today. ???

I think it's WinRK
http://www.msoftware.co.nz/WinRK_about.php
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WinRK

From Wikipedia:
Reviews done by maximumcompression.com show WinRK delivers the highest compression-ratios of programs in its class.

[mkranga]

Wow thanks guys. really interesting thread. :yes:

I use RAR and UHARC, well i'm not much in to compressing files. :D ;)

though i ones had a AVI file (167MB) compressed to 4.7MB. wonder what kind of algorithms do that kind of magic to a video file. :confused:

Any way as u guys know what the best compressing tool commercially available today. ???

ya ya winrar yaaaaa...!

count 5.
Rar=5
7Zip=0 (ok 2)
WinZip=0

[Anusha]

ya ya winrar yaaaaa...!

count 5.
Rar=5
7Zip=0 (ok 2)
WinZip=0
See, there are so many crappy Toyota cars in Sri Lanka and comparatively very small amount of BMWs. It doesn't mean the Toyota's are better....:P

If WinRAR will ever move to a native x64 design, I will move back. Till then, no no...

[mkranga]

Total 15,454,899 bytes

RK = 7,170,728 bytes 46%
Uha = 7,429,575 bytes 48%
Rar = 7,620,582 bytes 49%
Alz = 7,776,894 bytes 50%
Zip = 7,777,067 bytes 50%

“Globally, the three best methods tested are rk, rar and 7z. WinRK and WinRar are commercial software, 7-zip is free, open source (LGPL licence) and can be used with Linux.”
source = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_compression

:rolleyes:

[mkranga]

KBG = 6,825,947 bytes 44.1% Yaaaa....! but
time 8.05 min eeek.

[coolioWiZ]

Total 15,454,899 bytes

RK = 7,170,728 bytes 46%
Uha = 7,429,575 bytes 48%
Rar = 7,620,582 bytes 49%
Alz = 7,776,894 bytes 50%
Zip = 7,777,067 bytes 50%

“Globally, the three best methods tested are rk, rar and 7z. WinRK and WinRar are commercial software, 7-zip is free, open source (LGPL licence) and can be used with Linux.”
source = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_compression

:rolleyes:

From where are those data taken ? ! ! Not from Wikipedia as I see. :eek:
Where ever you got that data set, 7z is excluded. That doesn't make a complete test, you are just trying to glorify winrar.

At least you read a page from wikipedia. Do that once a day. It will increase your IQ and logical reasoning power. :P
:lol:

[coolioWiZ]

KBG = 6,825,947 bytes 44.1% Yaaaa....! but
time 8.05 min eeek.

Might be another piece from where you got the the other results. :lol:

KGB is not optimized for general use, It's an experimental format to test the limits of archiving. So you will get an extremly good compression if you can wait for a long time. More compression means more time taken. Same about WinRK.

Hope you will not misunderstand. :P

[mkranga]

From where are those data taken ? ! ! Not from Wikipedia as I see. :eek:
ok ok...

source = Ranga
Total 15,454,899 bytes

RK = 7,170,728 bytes 46%
Uha = 7,429,575 bytes 48%
Rar = 7,620,582 bytes 49%
Alz = 7,776,894 bytes 50%
Zip = 7,777,067 bytes 50%

source = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_compression
“Globally, the three best methods tested are rk, rar and 7z. WinRK and WinRar are commercial software, 7-zip is free, open source (LGPL licence) and can be used with Linux.”

Where ever you got that data set, 7z is excluded. That doesn't make a complete test,
I don’t like rabbit. (You did that, why should I do same again). so don't be a rbt PLS.

you are just trying to glorify winrar.YES.
I’m enjoying with that. Battle against mighty 7zip and little winrar. Go winrar go….
This doesn’t mean I am not an open source lover.

At least you read a page from wikipedia. Do that once a day. It will increase your IQ and logical reasoning power. :P
:lol:
DAWASA GANE GANNA IQ PILL EKADA.:lol: ... no thanks. I have good IQ.
Keep that habit with you rabbit.:lol: ;) :lol:

[ishara91]

mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
lol

[coolioWiZ]

I admit defeat O' mighty WinRar :P

[amila325]

7zip is good but i use rar easy to use

[mkranga]

ya ya winrar yaaaaa...!

Rar=6
7Zip=0 (ok 2)
WinZip=0

[mkranga]

I admit defeat O' mighty WinRar :P
ena pota nam hoda ne.:shocked: I’ll better be lunch my weapons.:frown: http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-detail-weapons-01l.jpg

[coolioWiZ]

ena pota nam hoda ne.:shocked: I’ll better be lunch my weapons.:frown: http://www.anft.net/f-14/f14-detail-weapons-01l.jpg



If you mean WinRar is like the F 14 you posted, 7Zip is like these below :lol:

F 35 USA
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6765/070427f4335c200pz2.jpg

EuroFighter Typhoon Europe (UK Germany)
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3372/typhda4jr2.jpg

Dassault Rafale France
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9805/av157impod3.jpg

Su 34 Russia
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6141/naposu344ni7.jpg

[chamithal]

Me with 7-zip... Itz cool... Use winrar too..btw... ;)

[Anusha]

7-zip won the trophy for the best project at
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w224/anushand/cca.jpg

http://sourceforge.net/community/index.php/landing-pages/cca07/

[chamithal]

7-zip won the trophy for the best project at
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w224/anushand/cca.jpg

http://sourceforge.net/community/index.php/landing-pages/cca07/

Cool! 7-zip is a nice freeware - on top of my favourite freeware list... (below avira antivir and openoffice...) :P

[mkranga]

Me with 7-zip... Itz cool... Use winrar too..btw... ;)
ya ya winrar yaaaaa...!

Rar=7
7Zip=1 (ok 3)
WinZip=0

[mkranga]

7-zip won the trophy for the best project at
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w224/anushand/cca.jpg

http://sourceforge.net/community/index.php/landing-pages/cca07/
Awards don’t mean all the things.

politiks la kochchara ***:angry: *** unath minissu chande denawa.:lol:

There should be a good reason for that

7Zip hoda unath hamoma kamathi winrar walata.:yes:

[mkranga]

If you mean WinRar is like the F 14 you posted, 7Zip is like these below :lol:

F 35 USA
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/6765/070427f4335c200pz2.jpg

EuroFighter Typhoon Europe (UK Germany)
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3372/typhda4jr2.jpg

Dassault Rafale France
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/9805/av157impod3.jpg

Su 34 Russia
http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/6141/naposu344ni7.jpg

You got all the cheapest fighters.
It’s ok.
I’ll change my type.
Try this before war fog

new age -> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7026978532619588322

Transformed -> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8597686993013532431

IT'S ME.... -> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3921756519706268934

[coolioWiZ]

You got all the cheapest fighters.
It’s ok.
I’ll change my type.
Try this before war fog

new age -> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7026978532619588322

Transformed -> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8597686993013532431

IT'S ME.... -> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3921756519706268934

plz don't confuse reality and fiction:

The fighters I posted are the best available for combat in today's world. They are not cheap!!!! :shocked:
The videos you posted are from that film Transformers. It's a film (aka FICTION)


IT'S ME.... -> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3921756519706268934

LOL you are Optimus Prime!! I was waiting to meet you :P

[mkranga]

plz don't confuse reality and fiction:
The fighters I posted are the best available for combat in today's world. They are not cheap!!!! :shocked:Whatever

It's a film (aka FICTION)Ha ha; That mean’s you lost.

LOL you are Optimus Prime!! I was waiting to meet you :P
I don’t wona west my time with sheep’s. :D :lol:

[coolioWiZ]

I don’t wona west my time with sheep’s. :D :lol:

Sheep ! :shocked:

[mkranga]

or wolf

[coolioWiZ]

or wolf

This is a damning game :shocked:

[jude725]

I like WIN RAR from all because it Zips and extracts very quickly
I hate WinZip bcoz It is a very slow compressor and it takes so much time.
bt i most hate is i have to press I agree when i doing anything from WinZip
WinZip SUCKS!

[mkranga]

I like WIN RAR from all because it Zips and extracts very quickly
I hate WinZip bcoz It is a very slow compressor and it takes so much time.
bt i most hate is i have to press I agree when i doing anything from WinZip
WinZip SUCKS!

ya hooo .......!
ya ya winrar still growing yahoooo......
Seems to be we got the winner.

Rar=8
7Zip=1
WinZip=0

[coolioWiZ]

I should have quit posting in this thread.

This is getting out of proportion :oo: :dull:

[Anusha]

ya hooo .......!
ya ya winrar still growing yahoooo......
Seems to be we got the winner.

Rar=8
7Zip=1
WinZip=0
The dumbest analysis ever! More people use it != it's better.

"Most people have crappy PCs" - It doesn't mean crappy PCs are cool :P
"Most people use Windows" - It doesn't mean it is better :P
"Most people drive in cheap cars" = It doesn't mean cheap cars are better :P

Very funny how you have blind loyalty towards an application you crack and use...

[dexter.morgan.666]

:yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes: :yes::yes:


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol:

[mkranga]

The dumbest analysis ever! More people use it != it's better.

"Most people have crappy PCs" - It doesn't mean crappy PCs are cool :P
"Most people use Windows" - It doesn't mean it is better :P
"Most people drive in cheap cars" = It doesn't mean cheap cars are better :P

Very funny how you have blind loyalty towards an application you crack and use...

I expect something more than that from u.
Hoooooo............. Another unsatisfied customer
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :D :D :lol: :lol:
:lol: :D :lol: :D :lol:
:lol: :D :lol: :D :lol:
:lol: :D :D :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[mkranga]

I should have quit posting in this thread.

This is getting out of proportion :oo: :dull:

Another unsatisfied customer.

Yes its out of proportion,ur judgment and out from you too. Loooooser.;)

Hooooooooooooo.......................

[coolioWiZ]

I expect something more than that from u.
Hoooooo............. Another unsatisfied customer
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :D :D :lol: :lol:
:lol: :D :lol: :D :lol:
:lol: :D :lol: :D :lol:
:lol: :D :D :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Another unsatisfied customer.
Yes its out of proportion,ur judgment and out from you too. Loooooser.;)
Hooooooooooooo.......................


The term "unsatisfied customer" can't be applied to Sri Lankans. There is nothing called brand loyality in Sri Lanka. Definetly there is zero potential for brand loyality among Sri Lankan software users. Almost all software used here are cracked pirated copies. Those who use these type of sofware have no respect for it since they got it "free" (you would pay atmost Rs100, If you paid more than that for your pirated disks you are a freakin looser). You can't become an "unsatisfied customer" since you could simply shift to another competiting product which you can obtain "free" cracked and ready to use.

Say you bought a software (eg Adobe Creative Suite [some $900+]) and you find it doesn't stand up to your expections. Then you have the right to be an unsatisfied customer, because you paid for a software. You may not be able to raise the required amount of money ($900+) to buy a competiting software. You have no money and the product you bought is no good, You now have the right to be unsatisfied, demand your money back from where you bought that product.

Say you are satisfied of the product you bought, you marvel at how it increases your productivity, happy about it's userfriendliness. Now you are a satisfied customer, You have the right to promote, recommend the product you are using. Say there comes a new product which claims to have better fuctions than the one you are currently using, but unfortunately you don't have money to give it a test. The software you are using serves you well so you decide to use it further and forget the new product. That's genuine brand loyality.

Now let me take myself as a typical Sri Lankan, software user. I go to my favorite CD shop as "buy" a CD of Photoshop for Rs60. I use it and find it suits my tasks perfectly. Then a friend comes and tell me PaintShop(Corel) is better. I get curious and the eagerness to try out some thing new promptly takes me back to the Cd shop, and I shell another Rs60 for a CD of PaintShop. I don't have to spend over Rs 10 000 to quench my curiousity. Even if I find the new product I "bought" not good, I'll feel no remorse (after all I spend only Rs 60). I have no right to be an unsatisfied customer

But take an average American/European (hoping he is not a torrent guzzler :lol:) He can't afford to spend 1000s of dollars/euros just for quenching is curiosity to test new software. Those type of people stick to a product they use and use it even new versions of the same thing is available. He is helpless but also satisfied with the product he use.


I hope you got the fact that we can't apply "customer satisfaction" to ourself atleast in case of software.

Comming to the topic of WinRar,7Zip etc. . .If there is a better product, you can simply shift to it. You don't need to spend a load of bucks to transfer to the new software. You can download it free, or try your local software dealer. :P
If I find something better than 7zip, I'll shift to it. WinRK seems to be good. (it's commercial but the crack is available). I don't have to pay anything to shift a better product. :lol:
Same in the case of browsers, after using Firefox for sometime, I shifted to Opera since it's better. If something even better comes, I don't think twice to jump the fence.(after all it costs me nothing).

It's really unbelievable how you became a "satisfied content and calmed [read brainwashed] customer" of WinRar. Did you pay for your copy of WinRar, or do you have any "association :P" with Alexander or Eugene Roshal.

[Heshanck93]

using winrar and winzip still i saw da 7rar in a ray mag

[mkranga]

The term "unsatisfied customer" can't be applied to Sri Lankans. There is nothing called brand loyality in Sri Lanka. Definetly there is zero potential for brand loyality among Sri Lankan software users. Almost all software used here are cracked pirated copies. Those who use these type of sofware have no respect for it since they got it "free" (you would pay atmost Rs100, If you paid more than that for your pirated disks you are a freakin looser). You can't become an "unsatisfied customer" since you could simply shift to another competiting product which you can obtain "free" cracked and ready to use.

Say you bought a software (eg Adobe Creative Suite [some $900+]) and you find it doesn't stand up to your expections. Then you have the right to be an unsatisfied customer, because you paid for a software. You may not be able to raise the required amount of money ($900+) to buy a competiting software. You have no money and the product you bought is no good, You now have the right to be unsatisfied, demand your money back from where you bought that product.

Say you are satisfied of the product you bought, you marvel at how it increases your productivity, happy about it's userfriendliness. Now you are a satisfied customer, You have the right to promote, recommend the product you are using. Say there comes a new product which claims to have better fuctions than the one you are currently using, but unfortunately you don't have money to give it a test. The software you are using serves you well so you decide to use it further and forget the new product. That's genuine brand loyality.

Now let me take myself as a typical Sri Lankan, software user. I go to my favorite CD shop as "buy" a CD of Photoshop for Rs60. I use it and find it suits my tasks perfectly. Then a friend comes and tell me PaintShop(Corel) is better. I get curious and the eagerness to try out some thing new promptly takes me back to the Cd shop, and I shell another Rs60 for a CD of PaintShop. I don't have to spend over Rs 10 000 to quench my curiousity. Even if I find the new product I "bought" not good, I'll feel no remorse (after all I spend only Rs 60). I have no right to be an unsatisfied customer

But take an average American/European (hoping he is not a torrent guzzler :lol:) He can't afford to spend 1000s of dollars/euros just for quenching is curiosity to test new software. Those type of people stick to a product they use and use it even new versions of the same thing is available. He is helpless but also satisfied with the product he use.


I hope you got the fact that we can't apply "customer satisfaction" to ourself atleast in case of software.

Comming to the topic of WinRar,7Zip etc. . .If there is a better product, you can simply shift to it. You don't need to spend a load of bucks to transfer to the new software. You can download it free, or try your local software dealer. :P
If I find something better than 7zip, I'll shift to it. WinRK seems to be good. (it's commercial but the crack is available). I don't have to pay anything to shift a better product. :lol:
Same in the case of browsers, after using Firefox for sometime, I shifted to Opera since it's better. If something even better comes, I don't think twice to jump the fence.(after all it costs me nothing).

It's really unbelievable how you became a "satisfied content and calmed [read brainwashed] customer" of WinRar. Did you pay for your copy of WinRar, or do you have any "association :P" with Alexander or Eugene Roshal.

:shocked:

amboooooo.....................:shocked:



kauda mewa kiyawanne.


and

[mkranga]

Dis .....
I should have quit posting in this thread.

This is getting out of proportion :oo: :dull:

paradunama kauruth ohoma thamai

rolf rofl rolf
digatama "hoo" kiyannath hodanene.

[mkranga]

using winrar and winzip still i saw da 7rar in a ray mag
7rar:shocked:

what is that...:confused:

[Anusha]

I expect something more than that from u.
Hoooooo............. Another unsatisfied customer
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
:lol: :D :D :lol: :lol:
:lol: :D :lol: :D :lol:
:lol: :D :lol: :D :lol:
:lol: :D :D :lol: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Sorry to disappoint you :rolleyes::rolleyes:
You are the unsatisfied customer because you say WinRAR is better because more people use it without giving any useful analysis.

[Anusha]

:shocked:

amboooooo.....................:shocked:



kauda mewa kiyawanne.


and


No point arguing with this guy, coolioWiZ. We won't get anything in return anyway. Let him live in his fancy dream world...

[coolioWiZ]

No point arguing with this guy, coolioWiZ. We won't get anything in return anyway. Let him live in his fancy dream world...

:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
Looks you are correct Anusha.
He needs more than his current brain quotient to understand such a simple thing :(

[mkranga]

No point arguing with this guy, coolioWiZ. We won't get anything in return anyway. Let him live in his fancy dream world...

The truth that you can’t accept is we all like short and sweet.
That’s why winrar got 8 and 7zip got * 
Sooner (or later) 7zip will get handy (like linux). Then i'll be there too

u btr Reed next too

[mkranga]

:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
Looks you are correct Anusha.
He needs more than his current brain quotient to understand such a simple thing :(
:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:
:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

:lol:

moda joduwa

Let me tell u something
When I came ek I put thread about file sharing
I tried to glorify free service
and someone tried to say rapidshare is better.
So now we r hear. Don’t u see something == hear.
More simplifying, Fact doesn’t change but the persons.


Don’t loose so easily. I’m getting bored.

[Anusha]

You are the one who don't want to read an explanation, saying it's too long....:P

You are really funny. :rolleyes:

Tell us one good reason why you think WinRAR is better, except the fact that you THINK most people use it.

1. I've shown7-zip compressed certain files at 3-10 times faster on a 64bit platform and faster in 32bit platform as well, but not as much as in 64bit. What more do you need? It's not compressing only that matters. Every archive I download, extracts faster in 7-zip. Only time when WinRAR and 7-zip performance is equal is when I extract a 700MB movie, because the hard disk has a lot to do in that case.

2. 7-zip is free (maybe not a big importance)

3. 7-zip one of the few (3?) archivers that natively comes in 64bit

[iRocker]

7zip is faster... the 64 bit version is even faster... WinRAR is nice...

No need to argue... Install both.... :P:P:P

[coolioWiZ]

moda joduwa

Let me tell u something
When I came ek I put thread about file sharing
I tried to glorify free service
and someone tried to say rapidshare is better.
So now we r hear. Don’t u see something == hear.
More simplifying, Fact doesn’t change but the persons.


Don’t loose so easily. I’m getting bored.

I'm really waiting until you get bored with this thread.

now since that "someone" you refer above is me, I must clarify my stance. the reason I said rapidshare is better is due to it's reliability in file hosting.
file hosting is a real serious business, it's a process needing extreme dedicated bandwidth and large volumes of storage space, a good multiserver environment to prevent deadlocks, resistance to DDOS is a must. Rapidshare has those. So it's reliable. I can host a file and not worry about it going down (let's say the file is not illegal content) as long as it's active.

All the above doesn't mean I'll not dump rapidshare if a better service comes out. Everything I said in this thread and your thread is valid and not contradictory. :)

I must ask you again, why do you say winrar is better. I'll agree with you if you can provide some reasonable statistics on why it's better. I still seriously think, that you may have some deal with the brothers Alexander and Eugene Roshal :lol:

[mkranga]

You are the one who don't want to read an explanation, saying it's too long....:P

You are really funny. :rolleyes:

Tell us one good reason why you think WinRAR is better, except the fact that you THINK most people use it.

1. I've shown7-zip compressed certain files at 3-10 times faster on a 64bit platform and faster in 32bit platform as well, but not as much as in 64bit. What more do you need? It's not compressing only that matters. Every archive I download, extracts faster in 7-zip. Only time when WinRAR and 7-zip performance is equal is when I extract a 700MB movie, because the hard disk has a lot to do in that case.

2. 7-zip is free (maybe not a big importance)

3. 7-zip one of the few (3?) archivers that natively comes in 64bit

First at all, I read all of it and you **** guys cant see true.u Can’t accept it. (Native human’s core.)So sad

Tell us one good reason why you think WinRAR is better
Y should I. Ask from others. There should be a good reason.

1.On 32 bit, there is no dif on 7zip and rar performance.
(2.Of curse I can crack it my self)

[mkranga]

7zip is faster... the 64 bit version is even faster... WinRAR is nice...

No need to argue... Install both.... :P:P:P

;)

[mkranga]

I'm really waiting until you get bored with this thread.

now since that "someone" you refer above is me, I must clarify my stance. the reason I said rapidshare is better is due to it's reliability in file hosting.
file hosting is a real serious business, it's a process needing extreme dedicated bandwidth and large volumes of storage space, a good multiserver environment to prevent deadlocks, resistance to DDOS is a must. Rapidshare has those. So it's reliable. I can host a file and not worry about it going down (let's say the file is not illegal content) as long as it's active.

All the above doesn't mean I'll not dump rapidshare if a better service comes out. Everything I said in this thread and your thread is valid and not contradictory. :)

I must ask you again, why do you say winrar is better. I'll agree with you if you can provide some reasonable statistics on why it's better. I still seriously think, that you may have some deal with the brothers Alexander and Eugene Roshal :lol:

winrar got 8
7zip got * 

What else

[mkranga]

boring

[coolioWiZ]

boring

At Last :P

[Anusha]

How can we argue with a dumb ass like you? You don't know how to argue anything....And best of all, you don't know why WinRAR is better!!! :lol: :rofl: :lol: :rofl:

What if I prove 32bit 7-zip is faster than WinRAR? :P

[Anusha]

Show us benchmarks of 32bit 7-zip and your precious "cracked" WinRAR...

[Anusha]

Ok, here are the videos:

7-zip video: (36 seconds)
http://www.egoshare.com/04261650ebc5dd1d67ad9423cdf3ce66/7zipwmv.html (116kB)

winrar video: (1 minute 18 seconds and still only 37% done!!! :shocked: :shocked: :P :P :P)
http://www.egoshare.com/2ae021c5297ef6209f0e328f0ed8eb98/winrarwmv.html (256kB)

* Windows Media Encoder is freaking awesome!! Never thought I could get this high quality levels at that file size on 75% quality level.

This is the folder I compressed:
http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/9974/foldertz7.jpg

This folder contained mostly documents, and couple of videos as well...

This is the system specs (did it in a VirtualBox WinXP virtual machine...)
http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/6271/systemri7.jpg

If you don't know, VirtualBox only allows 32bit guests, so XP was 32bit and both appz were 32bit. No other app was installed other than these two.

Compression settings used:
WinRAR: RAR, default settings
7-Zip: ZIP, default settings

GET A LIFE, mkranga

[coolioWiZ]

Ok, here are the videos:

7-zip video: (36 seconds)
http://www.egoshare.com/04261650ebc5dd1d67ad9423cdf3ce66/7zipwmv.html (116kB)

winrar video: (1 minute 18 seconds and still only 37% done!!! :shocked: :shocked: :P :P :P)
http://www.egoshare.com/2ae021c5297ef6209f0e328f0ed8eb98/winrarwmv.html (256kB)

* Windows Media Encoder is freaking awesome!! Never thought I could get this high quality levels at that file size on 75% quality level.

If you don't know, VirtualBox only allows 32bit guests, so XP was 32bit and both appz were 32bit. No other app was installed other than these two.

Compression settings used:
WinRAR: RAR, default settings
7-Zip: ZIP, default settings

GET A LIFE, mkranga

Excellent work Anusha! :yes: :yes:
I was thinking about doing another test, now it's not needed. :) :)

[Anusha]

Excellent work Anusha! :yes: :yes:
I was thinking about doing another test, now it's not needed. :) :)
I wish VirtualBox supported 2 cores, otherwise I could have shown them head to head (using same amount of CPU resources). WinRAR losing by miles :D

If you watched the video, WinRAR has about 2 minutes remaining. This means, even WinRAR is slower than 7-zip, not by a fraction, but 6 times!!! (Not always, but this is a generic folder, so this should represnt general folder archiving....)

One more thing to note. This is done on a PC with 192MB RAM!!! People say 7-zip uses a lot of RAM, but XP SP2 with 192MB RAM???? :lol: 7-zip just doesn't want to let us down :D

Also, 7-zip compressed to ZIP :lol: ZIP??? Isn't that the format people think is too "dull" for 2007 :D

[coolioWiZ]

I wish VirtualBox supported 2 cores, otherwise I could have shown them head to head (using same amount of CPU resources). WinRAR losing by miles :D
One more thing to note. This is done on a PC with 192MB RAM!!! People say 7-zip uses a lot of RAM, but XP SP2 with 192MB RAM???? :lol: 7-zip just doesn't want to let us down :D


I was first suprised to see your test pc had only 192MB RAM, then I saw it's a VirtualBox. I really hope you allocated only that much of RAM, not your PC having only 192MB RAM even being a dual core system. :lol:

Expanding upon what you did, I tested winzip winrar and 7zip for a double kick to Ranga.

The Computer:
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6544/syspropertiesfx8.jpg

Note: All programs are 32bit to even the playground.

Test 1
The folder size is 300MB, contains five video files (.wmv)
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4815/test1lk8.jpg

7Zip: http://www.egoshare.com/57c025aef993744314313ca7693da730/7zip1wmv.html (7zip takes 30sec)
WinZip : http://www.egoshare.com/c5dec704e998e61f75d2f0f27c51ec8d/winzip1wmv.html (winzip takes 40 sec for legacy zip)
WinRar : http://www.egoshare.com/847815e8c64c1540639e43f95e7aa597/winrar1wmv.html (1min video winrar processed 40%)


Interesting observation: 7zip compresses zip faster than winzip when doing these videos (10sec difference)

Test 2
The folder size is again 300MB, contains assorted pdfs docs and jpgs
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/8871/test2mn7.jpg

7Zip : http://www.egoshare.com/dc58139d111d962dfb4ecf17c131a5ad/7zip2wmv.html (41sec)
WinZip : http://www.egoshare.com/9b276c0445ea1d3e38e05e552d30021e/winzip2wmv.html (about 39sec again legacy zip)
WinRar : http://www.egoshare.com/549bf6b8855b589d9a9a52535808d490/winrar2wmv.html (1min video winrar processed 33%)


Compressing these assorted files WinZip seems to be on par or better by 2secs.


If you watched the video, WinRAR has about 2 minutes remaining. This means, even WinRAR is slower than 7-zip, not by a fraction, but 6 times!!! (Not always, but this is a generic folder, so this should represnt general folder archiving....)

winrar seems to need atleast 5 times(I'm being generous in estimating poor winrar) more time than 7zip to do a compression job. That's similar to your observation of winrar being 6 times slower than 7zip :D


Also, 7-zip compressed to ZIP :lol: ZIP??? Isn't that the format people think is too "dull" for 2007 :D

The interesting thing is 7zip is on par with winzip, or sometimes faster than winzip when doing zip format :) No need to talk about winrar. :lol:

Now Ranga, the ball is in your park :lol: Give us some statistics of your winrar.
Statistics mean benchmarks not things such as this:
winrar: used by zillions
7zip: used by negative infinity
lol your lovely purple color :lol:

[mkranga]

sorry

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sorry this is a bad thing. but u cmonz did it.

I give u one chance to apologize. Do you get it or not?

If u don’t post again I assume I am the winner.

[mkranga]

I was first suprised to see your test pc had only 192MB RAM, then I saw it's a VirtualBox. I really hope you allocated only that much of RAM, not your PC having only 192MB RAM even being a dual core system. :lol:

Expanding upon what you did, I tested winzip winrar and 7zip for a double kick to Ranga.

The Computer:
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6544/syspropertiesfx8.jpg

Note: All programs are 32bit to even the playground.

Test 1
The folder size is 300MB, contains five video files (.wmv)
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4815/test1lk8.jpg

7Zip: http://www.egoshare.com/57c025aef993744314313ca7693da730/7zip1wmv.html (7zip takes 30sec)
WinZip : http://www.egoshare.com/c5dec704e998e61f75d2f0f27c51ec8d/winzip1wmv.html (winzip takes 40 sec for legacy zip)
WinRar : http://www.egoshare.com/847815e8c64c1540639e43f95e7aa597/winrar1wmv.html (1min video winrar processed 40%)


Interesting observation: 7zip compresses zip faster than winzip when doing these videos (10sec difference)

Test 2
The folder size is again 300MB, contains assorted pdfs docs and jpgs
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/8871/test2mn7.jpg

7Zip : http://www.egoshare.com/dc58139d111d962dfb4ecf17c131a5ad/7zip2wmv.html (41sec)
WinZip : http://www.egoshare.com/9b276c0445ea1d3e38e05e552d30021e/winzip2wmv.html (about 39sec again legacy zip)
WinRar : http://www.egoshare.com/549bf6b8855b589d9a9a52535808d490/winrar2wmv.html (1min video winrar processed 33%)


Compressing these assorted files WinZip seems to be on par or better by 2secs.




winrar seems to need atleast 5 times(I'm being generous in estimating poor winrar) more time than 7zip to do a compression job. That's similar to your observation of winrar being 6 times slower than 7zip :D



The interesting thing is 7zip is on par with winzip, or sometimes faster than winzip when doing zip format :) No need to talk about winrar. :lol:

Now Ranga, the ball is in your park :lol: Give us some statistics of your winrar.
Statistics mean benchmarks not things such as this:
winrar: used by zillions
7zip: used by negative infinity
lol your lovely purple color :lol:

auch... u will be sorry cool.

[Anusha]

sorry

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sorry this is a bad thing. but u cmonz did it.

I give u one chance to apologize. Do you get it or not?

If u don’t post again I assume I am the winner.

Looks like they let a serious wacko out of the asylum :rofl:

[coolioWiZ]

Looks like they let a serious wacko out of the asylum :rofl:
:rofl:

[coolioWiZ]

auch... u will be sorry cool.


I don't know why I still continue trying to inject some reasoning in to your dead brain. You are really beyond the limits of reasoning.

PS: You can have my sig which states "beyond lunacy". It suits you better. :P

[icreations]

hmm but 4 me win rar hodai wage...

[mkranga]

Looks like they let a serious wacko out of the asylum :rofl:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3921756519706268934

[mkranga]

hmm but 4 me win rar hodai wage...
WinRar Hodai thamai macho. rar got cool fetchers that other software don't have

thats why
winrar still growing growing and growing......

Rar=9
7Zip=1
WinZip=0

So bad, some of Blind ***** still can’t see that.
They think they r the only one who rule.

matanam adanna hithenawa......:yes: cool-anu
Welcome to real world lady's.;)

[mkranga]

I don't know why I still continue trying to inject some reasoning in to your dead brain. You are really beyond the limits of reasoning.

PS: You can have my sig which states "beyond lunacy". It suits you better. :P
:lol: :lol: :lol:
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ok i got the "dead brain" >> WikipediaBrain

Even wikipedia know NETBIOS.

[Anusha]

WinRar Hodai thamai macho. rar got cool fetchers that other software don't have

thats why
winrar still growing growing and growing......

Rar=9
7Zip=1
WinZip=0

So bad, some of Blind ***** still can’t see that.
They think they r the only one who rule.

matanam adanna hithenawa......:yes: cool-anu
Welcome to real world lady's.;)

Sorry, but you are the LADY here because you don't listen to the truth.

[Anusha]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3921756519706268934
What a dumb ass. Get a life... :rolleyes:

[chamika123]

I removed WinRAR. Don't wanna install it again

Still, with some files, the split RAR archive issue is there with 7-zip

[mkranga]

Sorry, but you are the LADY here because you don't listen to the truth.

:lol:

[mkranga]

What a dumb ass. Get a life... :rolleyes:

so sad .

[mkranga]

I was first suprised to see your test pc had only 192MB RAM, then I saw it's a VirtualBox. I really hope you allocated only that much of RAM, not your PC having only 192MB RAM even being a dual core system. :lol:

Expanding upon what you did, I tested winzip winrar and 7zip for a double kick to Ranga.

The Computer:
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/6544/syspropertiesfx8.jpg

Note: All programs are 32bit to even the playground.

Test 1
The folder size is 300MB, contains five video files (.wmv)
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4815/test1lk8.jpg

7Zip: http://www.egoshare.com/57c025aef993744314313ca7693da730/7zip1wmv.html (7zip takes 30sec)
WinZip : http://www.egoshare.com/c5dec704e998e61f75d2f0f27c51ec8d/winzip1wmv.html (winzip takes 40 sec for legacy zip)
WinRar : http://www.egoshare.com/847815e8c64c1540639e43f95e7aa597/winrar1wmv.html (1min video winrar processed 40%)


Interesting observation: 7zip compresses zip faster than winzip when doing these videos (10sec difference)

Test 2
The folder size is again 300MB, contains assorted pdfs docs and jpgs
http://img380.imageshack.us/img380/8871/test2mn7.jpg

7Zip : http://www.egoshare.com/dc58139d111d962dfb4ecf17c131a5ad/7zip2wmv.html (41sec)
WinZip : http://www.egoshare.com/9b276c0445ea1d3e38e05e552d30021e/winzip2wmv.html (about 39sec again legacy zip)
WinRar : http://www.egoshare.com/549bf6b8855b589d9a9a52535808d490/winrar2wmv.html (1min video winrar processed 33%)


Compressing these assorted files WinZip seems to be on par or better by 2secs.




winrar seems to need atleast 5 times(I'm being generous in estimating poor winrar) more time than 7zip to do a compression job. That's similar to your observation of winrar being 6 times slower than 7zip :D



The interesting thing is 7zip is on par with winzip, or sometimes faster than winzip when doing zip format :) No need to talk about winrar. :lol:

Now Ranga, the ball is in your park :lol: Give us some statistics of your winrar.
Statistics mean benchmarks not things such as this:
winrar: used by zillions
7zip: used by negative infinity
lol your lovely purple color :lol:Did you think I’m blind? Or you are blind.

1. Y did u use zip format? (u sed .7zip get best compress and .zip got speed)
2. Did u really believe this “winrar seems to need atleast 5 times more time than 7zip to do a compression job.”
3. What if I show my statistic. Did u accept u loose?
4. What if I show u r a liar?

Btw can u tell me how to double kick 2 persons at same time?

[coolioWiZ]

Did you think I’m blind? Or you are blind.

1. Y did u use zip format? (u sed .7zip get best compress and .zip got speed)
2. Did u really believe this “winrar seems to need atleast 5 times more time than 7zip to do a compression job.”
3. What if I show my statistic. Did u accept u loose?
4. What if I show u r a liar?

Btw can u tell me how to double kick 2 persons at same time?

This is getting interesting. :lol:

for no 1 : This time I was not trying to show compression sizes. You'll see that the focus is on the speed. I can show that .7z is also faster than rar. zip is the default compression used by windows users. So it's quite reasonable to test 7zip and winzip for it. (a windows user might like to know how well .zip is handled by these programs)

for no 2: I didn't say I believe. It's an observation. Watch the videos.

for no 3 and 4: Not statistics, show benchmarks. Don't screw up. Show some screencasts. If they are authentic I'll then believe.

Now for your side remark: I didn't say anything about kicking 2 people at the same time. :lol: I don't act as a stunt double for Jackie Chan. :P

[coolioWiZ]

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ok i got the "dead brain" >> WikipediaBrain

Even wikipedia know NETBIOS.

Don't get me started about NETBIOS.

Dead Brain Syndrome is not as worse as AIDS. It's curable if you come to accept the reality. :)

[mkranga]

wait.....

[mkranga]

7z, LZMA and multi-threading, quote from the 7-Zip Help

If you enable the Multi-threading option, 7-Zip will use two threads for compressing. It can speed up compressing up to 70–80% on Multi-Processor systems or up to 25% on a Pentium 4 with Hyper-Threading.

Idiot’s idiot’s idiots..... See this
http://www.kikizas.net/en/apps.7z.html

[mkranga]

In WinRAR solid compression is off by default. In 7-Zip it is on. You can untick it, and the program will remember your preference. Strangely, solid compression is the default even for the CLI command u (Update). What is the purpose of solid compression for archives that are meant to be updated regularly and often?

[Anusha]

7z, LZMA and multi-threading, quote from the 7-Zip Help

If you enable the Multi-threading option, 7-Zip will use two threads for compressing. It can speed up compressing up to 70–80% on Multi-Processor systems or up to 25% on a Pentium 4 with Hyper-Threading.

Idiot’s idiot’s idiots..... See this
http://www.kikizas.net/en/apps.7z.html
In WinRAR solid compression is off by default. In 7-Zip it is on. You can untick it, and the program will remember your preference. Strangely, solid compression is the default even for the CLI command u (Update). What is the purpose of solid compression for archives that are meant to be updated regularly and often?
Have you been using WinRAR without multithreaded support??? ROFLMAO :rofl: :rofl:

You are the idiot!!! :lol: You proved it yet again. :lol:

We use multithreading in all WinRAR, WinZip and 7-zip and every software that supports them. n00b :P We are not new to PCs like you are :rolleyes:

The test results I showed are all done on a single core CPU (because VirtualBox only allows one core to be assigned for virtual machine). So no improvement by using more threads.

[mkranga]

You are the one who don't want to read an explanation, saying it's too long....:P

You are really funny. :rolleyes:

Tell us one good reason why you think WinRAR is better, except the fact that you THINK most people use it.

1. I've shown7-zip compressed certain files at 3-10 times faster on a 64bit platform and faster in 32bit platform as well, but not as much as in 64bit. What more do you need? It's not compressing only that matters. Every archive I download, extracts faster in 7-zip. Only time when WinRAR and 7-zip performance is equal is when I extract a 700MB movie, because the hard disk has a lot to do in that case.

2. 7-zip is free (maybe not a big importance)

3. 7-zip one of the few (3?) archivers that natively comes in 64bit

:baffled:

I don't but 7Zip will:lol:

WinRAR is a rock solid program with a well designed interface, in active development for over a decade (older than 7-Zip, despite the lower version number), and has two important features that the 7z format does not support yet (they are planned for the next major version:P ): recovery of corrupt archives and in-place editing of solid archives. The first is the main reason why the rar format is practically a standard for file-sharing. WinRAR is localized in 40 languages and offers a lifetime licence.

http://www.kikizas.net/en/apps.7z.html

[mkranga]

Have you been using WinRAR without multithreaded support??? ROFLMAO :rofl: :rofl:

You are the idiot!!! :lol: You proved it yet again. :lol:

We use multithreading in all WinRAR, WinZip and 7-zip and every software that supports them. n00b :P We are not new to PCs like you are :rolleyes:

The test results I showed are all done on a single core CPU (because VirtualBox only allows one core to be assigned for virtual machine). So no improvement by using more threads.

I think you are too fast so you miss good part.

We are not new to PCs like you are :rolleyes:
:eek: Ops.................. how do u know. cooliowiz nam oya kathawa kiwwath kamak ne

[Anusha]

I think you are too fast so you miss good part.


:eek: Ops.................. how do u know. cooliowiz nam oya kathawa kiwwath kamak ne

I've been using PCs for about half of my life span...n00b :P

[mkranga]

I've been using PCs for about half of my life span...n00b :P

I wonder who old are you. - matanam dasayai masayai.

[Anusha]

I wonder who old are you. - matanam dasayai masayai.
i've had a pc since 1997, and i've been using my cousin's one couple of years before that...

[coolioWiZ]

OK :lol:

Since I'm not having much time these days. I'll not try to reply point by point quote by quote.

I've been using PC's since I'm 7 years something. Ranga, you know how old I'm. I'll not criticize your computer experience. But if your PC have some cool latest alienware, just use software which will extract you the most benefit of it. :)

Since Anusha has replied to your idiotry, I'll not go on repeating points. :)

[mkranga]

OK :lol:

Since I'm not having much time these days. I'll not try to reply point by point quote by quote.
Y don’t you just tell the truth:P

I've been using PC's since I'm 7 years something.Ranga, you know how old I'm.balagena giyama mama thamai methana Idiot.:rofl:

But if your PC have some cool latest alienware, just use software which will extract you the most benefit of it. :)
i do, but i sense something is miss.
my pc config
133MHz
32mb ram
256Kb cash
its totally alienware.(if u want i can give screen cast):lol: Since Anusha has replied to your idiotry, I'll not go on repeating points. :)It will save you little bit.

After all you cmons didn’t give true 7zip test result. &
Failed to glorify 7zip by
Vote:sorry:
Performance:sorry:
Facilities:sorry:
UF interface:sorry:

Do you come back to rar bcoz i need to get my co$$otion from Alexander & Roshal bro's.

[mkranga]

ko me c'mon joduwaaaaa.......

[mkranga]

waiting.........

[coolioWiZ]

waiting.........

Should I really reply :rofl:

[shalinda]

That's gonna blow his PC, if it doesn't blow him before that :D

hehe

[mkranga]

Should I really reply :rofl:
or

What would I reply.:lol:

At least you can tell "I give up".
BTW can you tell to anusha that rar don’t use multi thread. (As default)
It will help him a lot to getaway from his addict.
Don’t tell him I told that bcoz it will big shame to his experience.

Originally Posted by Anusha
I've been using PCs for about half of my life span...n00b

Originally Posted by Anusha
Have you been using WinRAR without multithreaded support??? ROFLMAO

You are the idiot!!! You proved it yet again.

We use multithreading in all WinRAR, WinZip and 7-zip and every software that supports them. n00b We are not new to PCs like you are

The test results I showed are all done on a single core CPU (because VirtualBox only allows one core to be assigned for virtual machine). So no improvement by using more threads.
matanam adenna wage.:sorry:

[Tharindu DR]

Win RAR, does fine..... Any thing Better Machan? Better compression?

[chanakacm]

win rar

[mkranga]

Win rar 11

[pop1212]

i didnt use win7

[pop1212]

please tell me about it!

[mkranga]

i didnt use win7
win7:shocked:

7ZIP BAN.:yes:

[mkranga]

CoolioWiZ......................................... ............ http://www.webdeveloper.com/animations/bnifiles/manlook.gif .................................................. ... Anusha

[milindasenarath]

WinRar is ok