Geforce 8800 GT doesn't do DirectX 10.1

[Anusha]

Documents seen by Fudzilla indicates that G92/D8P aka the Geforce 8800 GT is not Shader model 4.1 compatible. It can mean one of two things, one, that Nvidia doesn't want release the information or two, simply that this chip doesn't have support for Shader model 4.1 and DirectX 10.1.


This comes as an interesting surprise as we know that the RV670 aka the Radeon HD 2950 series will support Shader model 4.1 and DirectX 10.1.


We will ask around and try to find out if this is the case, but this would be a big setback for Nvidia, at least when it comes to feature tick boxes on upcoming games.
Source: Fudzilla

:eek: :eek: :eek:

[iRocker]

Thanks 4 d info :rolleyes:

[Anusha]

Thanks 4 d info :rolleyes:
Wasn't intended for you though :P

[dexter.morgan.666]

Hey whats with this "GT" thing? I thought there were only GTS and GTX:confused:

[gayannr]

Hey whats with this "GT" thing? I thought there were only GTS and GTX:confused:
It's their newest upcoming graphics chip. will be launched on October 29th :yes:

[Anusha]

It is the rumoured G92 chip.

[gayannr]

It is the rumoured G92 chip.
ya ya sometmes it's 89XX and sometimes 98xx :D

[gayannr]

It is the rumoured G92 chip.
ya ya sometmes it's 89XX and sometimes 98xx :D

[Ranhiru]

Hmm.....thanx 4 da info!!

[samiram]

heyyy....
what about 8800GTS...
:P

[gayannr]

heyyy....
what about 8800GTS...
:P
8800GT is supposed to be a less performed card compared to 8800GTS

[Anusha]

8800GT is supposed to be a less performed card compared to 8800GTS
But I saw somewhere that it will feature 112 shader processors. FYI, 8800GTS has only 96 SPs.

[gayannr]

But I saw somewhere that it will feature 112 shader processors. FYI, 8800GTS has only 96 SPs.
AFAIK there is a 8800GTS which has 112SPs also,apart from the 96SPs :D
http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8406/newnvidiacardsba7.png

[Anusha]

Drat....I will wait till they release it for real. I've had enough believing these online news sites' crap :D

[gayannr]

Drat....I will wait till they release it for real. I've had enough believing these online news sites' crap :D
:D :yes: :D

[blood_brotha]

oookkk thats Fudzilla... ehem same as enquirer

[blood_brotha]

i really think this is false info... cuz if they do release it like this.. it wont be nothing but a glorified 8600gts

[Anusha]

i really think this is false info... cuz if they do release it like this.. it wont be nothing but a glorified 8800gtx
Confusing...:S

[Bigspin]

My Next Desktop card is ATI HD2950X2X.It will out next Q1-08 .ATI video playback and gaming quality is great .My 8800GTX sucks!!!
I know ATI HD2900XT can't beat 8800GTX right now !but it beat 8800GTS and sometimes GTX too.HD2950X2X have 2 GPUs like GF 7950GX2.

[blood_brotha]

My Next Desktop card is ATI HD2950X2X.It will out next Q1-08 .ATI video playback and gaming quality is great .My 8800GTX sucks!!!
I know ATI HD2900XT can't beat 8800GTX right now !but it beat 8800GTS and sometimes GTX too.HD2950X2X have 2 GPUs like GF 7950GX2.


ATi's image quality was better than Nvdia counterparts 2 generations earlier.. there is no tangible proof that 2900 series gpus perform better than the 8800 series quality wise

[Anusha]

Remember, nVidia will have a dual chip (dual card I think) card by then...

The problem with Geforce 8 is the drivers. The problem with HD 2900XT is AMD's ego!! :frown:

[blood_brotha]

My Next Desktop card is ATI HD2950X2X.It will out next Q1-08 .ATI video playback and gaming quality is great .My 8800GTX sucks!!!
I know ATI HD2900XT can't beat 8800GTX right now !but it beat 8800GTS and sometimes GTX too.HD2950X2X have 2 GPUs like GF 7950GX2.


btw u hate u r 8800gtx??? damn i feel sorry for you

[blood_brotha]

Remember, nVidia will have a dual chip (dual card I think) card by then...

The problem with Geforce 8 is the drivers. The problem with HD 2900XT is AMD's ego!! :frown:


and they evn beat ATi with bad drivers:D :D funny

[blood_brotha]

the thing we need is something like Intel's innovation... the geforce 8 series recommends 625watt psu... man thats a lot... when i saw the performance/watt info on the C2D procs, i was amazed... when i saw that a 6300 would consume less power than my low range 3000+

[Bigspin]

ATi's image quality was better than Nvdia counterparts 2 generations earlier.. there is no tangible proof that 2900 series gpus perform better than the 8800 series quality wise
Yako uba review site walata yanne nadda?

[Bigspin]

and they evn beat ATi with bad drivers:D :D funny
Yes because HD2900XT GPU is slower than 8800GTX .but DX10 games perform better on ATI cards;)

All my previous cards are ATI made & this the only one from green gobbing:rolleyes:

[blood_brotha]

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/sli8800%20review/

"Speaking of being drawn into entertainment, like the Geforce 7 series of products the 8800 series features Nvida’s PureVideo HD technology which is responsible for providing exceptional video playback. When ATI first launched Avivo they had a clear lead in video quality when compared to the equivalent Nvidia part, since then Nvidia have been hard at work enhancing video quality and last time we checked they scored about 115 (out of 130) in the HQV benchmark compared to ATI’s 123. With the launch of the 8800 series Nvidia are reporting a score of 128points with the expectation that they will achieve 130 in the near future."

[Bigspin]

http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/sli8800%20review/

"Speaking of being drawn into entertainment, like the Geforce 7 series of products the 8800 series features Nvida’s PureVideo HD technology which is responsible for providing exceptional video playback. When ATI first launched Avivo they had a clear lead in video quality when compared to the equivalent Nvidia part, since then Nvidia have been hard at work enhancing video quality and last time we checked they scored about 115 (out of 130) in the HQV benchmark compared to ATI’s 123. With the launch of the 8800 series Nvidia are reporting a score of 128points with the expectation that they will achieve 130 in the near future."

Onna bala gannin macho Nvidia lage balu wada:rolleyes: :shocked:
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2777&Itemid=34

[blood_brotha]

Onna bala gannin macho Nvidia lage balu wada:rolleyes: :shocked:
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2777&Itemid=34


machan this is Fudzilla!!!! same as enquirer... and same guys who posted that the G92 would not have SM 4.1 and Dx10.1 support.. munwa poddak wath sure ne

[Bigspin]

machan this is Fudzilla!!!! same as enquirer... and same guys who posted that the G92 would not have SM 4.1 and Dx10.1 support.. munwa poddak wath sure ne
It's confirmed by Guru3D forum members+Techpowerup.com members.Nvidia balu wade kala kiyala forum eke eun confirm kala:yes:

[blood_brotha]

thawa monawada ban

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc83/blood_brothalk/44.jpg

[Bigspin]

thawa monawada ban

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc83/blood_brothalk/44.jpg

3DMark results are real shit!!!!

I know HD2900XT is slower than 8800Ultra and GTX,Coz it's not the ATIs best card + Nvidia have higher clock speeds.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/video-playback2_9.html#sect0

[gayannr]

3DMark results are real shit!!!!

I know HD2900XT is slower than 8800Ultra and GTX,Coz it's not the ATIs best card + Nvidia have higher clock speeds.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/video-playback2_9.html#sect0
Keep in mind these are SM3 benchmark results,not SM4

[Bigspin]

Keep in mind these are SM3 benchmark results,not SM4

Yes I know
here's SM 4.0 Conclusion page.ATI beat nvidia 8800GTX:lol:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/directx10-games_15.html#sect0

[gayannr]

Yes I know
here's SM 4.0 Conclusion page.ATI beat nvidia 8800GTX:lol:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/directx10-games_15.html#sect0
:yes:
but 8800Ultra kiyala ekakuth thiyenawa :lol:
simply i'm not loyal to either nVidia or ATi.:D

[blood_brotha]

Yes I know
here's SM 4.0 Conclusion page.ATI beat nvidia 8800GTX:lol:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/directx10-games_15.html#sect0


"he ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT is capable of beating the Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX, which is much more expensive, in DirectX 10 applications provided that the Catalyst driver has game-specific optimizations. Of course, Nvidia’s ForceWare driver has to “know” the particular game to run it at a high speed, too."

[Anusha]

All my previous cards are ATI made & this the only one from green gobbing:rolleyes:
Sorry to diagree with you there. 2900XT can only come close to 8800GTX in DX9. It is left far away in DX10.

[blood_brotha]

Performance of both ATI Radeon HD 2000 and Nvidia GeForce 8 is fully dependent on drivers, therefore, it is nearly unpredictable which graphics card will eventually become better DirectX 10 performer.

[blood_brotha]

Sorry to diagree with you there. 2900XT can only come close to 8800GTX in DX9. It is left far away in DX10.


exactly The ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT and HD 2400 XT are kind of DirectX 10 kings in their respective price categories. However, these cards often prove to be slower than Nvidia’s GeForce 8 in the more important DirectX 9 applications.

[Bigspin]

but 8800Ultra kiyala ekakuth thiyenawa :lol:
Only till next year:lol:

simply i'm not loyal to either nVidia or ATi.:D

I'm not loyal too.I need performance + Quality .Bortha game illuwane ekai mamath return eka dunne

[blood_brotha]

Only till next year:lol:



I'm not loyal too.I need performance + Quality .Bortha game illuwane ekai mamath return eka dunne


mona return da?? umba daapu xbitlabs review eka hariya kiyewwada??

[blood_brotha]

mama daapu okkoma eken thama gaththey

[Bigspin]

mona return da?? umba daapu xbitlabs review eka hariya kiyewwada??

yes

[Anusha]

Only till next year:lol:
nVidia will come up with the dual chip card, probably sooner than ATI (we know about ATI's timetable :P) ATI will lose again...
ATI needed to push the R700 up!!!

[Bigspin]

nVidia will come up with the dual chip card, probably sooner than ATI (we know about ATI's timetable :P) ATI will lose again...
ATI needed to push the R700 up!!!
http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/01/ati-rv670-beat-r600

Still think GTX fast ???

[gayannr]

we know about ATI's timetable :P
hehe AMD/ATI :yes: :yes:

[Anusha]

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/01/ati-rv670-beat-r600

Still think GTX fast ???
Of course 8800GTX should be faster. 256bit mem bus FTL (for the losers :P)

[Anusha]

hehe AMD/ATI :yes: :yes:
Bad influence of ATI on AMD :D

[gayandinusha]

thanx

[blood_brotha]

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2007/10/01/ati-rv670-beat-r600

Still think GTX fast ???


how many times do i have to tell you,, inquirer is bullcrap worse than fudzilla:D :D

[Bigspin]

Of course 8800GTX should be faster. 256bit mem bus FTL (for the losers :P)

GTX 3XXBit bus+ 512Bit bus ATI.Who's the technologically better....LoL:confused:

ATI perform better on higher resolution (Single card)

[blood_brotha]

yes


then read again.. i copied this from that directly

* Despite its unassuming performance in DirectX 9 benchmarks, the ATI Radeon HD 2900 XT is capable of beating the Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX, which is much more expensive, in DirectX 10 applications provided that the Catalyst driver has game-specific optimizations. Of course, Nvidia’s ForceWare driver has to “know” the particular game to run it at a high speed, too.
* The ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT and HD 2400 XT are kind of DirectX 10 kings in their respective price categories. However, these cards often prove to be slower than Nvidia’s GeForce 8 in the more important DirectX 9 applications.
* The ATI Radeon HD 2000 architecture features the most advanced implementation of DirectX 10 today.
* Performance of both ATI Radeon HD 2000 and Nvidia GeForce 8 is fully dependent on drivers, therefore, it is nearly unpredictable which graphics card will eventually become better DirectX 10 performer.

[blood_brotha]

GTX 3XXBit bus+ 512Bit bus ATI.Who's the technologically better....LoL:confused:

ATI perform better on higher resolution (Single card)


aand the 6600gt has 128 bit mem bus and the 9800 pro has 256 bit mem bus.. and does the 9800 pro perform better??

[Anusha]

GTX 3XXBit bus+ 512Bit bus ATI.Who's the technologically better....LoL:confused:

ATI perform better on higher resolution (Single card)
Having a higher bus and performing low is in fact having an inferior design. Technology is compared in number of transistors per performance unit and the process technology used. Getting better performance with less costs (512bit bus costs ATI a lot) is better design. That is what should be appreciated.

This is the same thing as how Intel used higher clocks in the P4 to challenge the A64 (still losing in most areas)

[blood_brotha]

all the *600 seres cards (6600gt,7600gt) has 128bit mem bus and they were considered the best bang for the buck cards for a long time!! and still is in someway.. now they only lose to the 1900xt

[Anusha]

aand the 6600gt has 128 bit mem bus and the 9800 pro has 256 bit mem bus.. and does the 9800 pro perform better??
well, then there is the memory clock speed too. I think the 9800Pro is comparable with 6600GT in terms of raw processing speed or just "slightly" slower, had it SM3.0 support. Those days, ATI had the better designs.

[Anusha]

all the *600 seres cards (6600gt,7600gt) has 128bit mem bus and they were considered the best bang for the buck cards for a long time!! and still is in someway.. now they only lose to the 1900xt
They perform well, because of the high clocks.

[dexter.morgan.666]

Guys i dont know what you think.But i switched to a 8800 gtx last week from a 8800 gts 320 mb.The only different i could notice was now i can go for higher resolutions.i mean 8800 gts 320 mb was not good at 1280*1024.But with new 8800 gtx i can go even 1920*1200 without any problems.:yes:.So i hope this will stop me of buying a new graphics card for atleast two years.:yes::yes::yes:

[gayannr]

Guys i dont know what you think.But i switched to a 8800 gtx last week from a 8800 gts 320 mb.The only different i could notice was now i can go for higher resolutions.i mean 8800 gts 320 mb was not good at 1280*1024.But with new 8800 gtx i can go even 1920*1200 without any problems.:yes:.So i hope this will stop me of buying a new graphics card for atleast two years.:yes::yes::yes:
So you think processing more and more pixels is-piece of cake

[Anusha]

So you think processing more and more pixels is-piece of cake
Don't get so angry :P

[gayannr]

Don't get so angry :P
hehe... :lol: Almost 76% increment in pixels

[dexter.morgan.666]

So you think processing more and more pixels is-piece of cake

I didnt say it is a piece of cake:rolleyes:.But i mean with 384 bit of memory bus and help of 768mb of v-ram It shouldnt be a problem;)

[blood_brotha]

They perform well, because of the high clocks.


so ?? its universal ne

[gayannr]

so ?? its universal ne
What is Universal :rolleyes:

[Anusha]

Universal Studios? :S

[dexter.morgan.666]

I think what he ment was that its a common Fact (higher it gets more you can gain)

[gayannr]

I think what he ment was that its a common Fact (higher it gets more you can gain)

It's not universal,compare A64 clock with p4,if it's bit old for you think C2D vs Pentium-D clock.

[dexter.morgan.666]

It's not universal,compare A64 clock with p4,if it's bit old for you think C2D vs Pentium-D clock.

speaking of which...... these AMD clock speeds are still cofusing me...

can anybody explain is it AMD 2800+ = Intel 2.8Ghz
or AMD 2800+ = Intel 1.8 Ghz

[gayannr]

speaking of which...... these AMD clock speeds are still cofusing me...

can anybody explain is it AMD 2800+ = Intel 2.8Ghz
or AMD 2800+ = Intel 1.8 Ghz

there are no AMD or Intel processors LOL..Athlon/Sempron/.. ,Pentium/Core2/Celeron/...
rofl
you could compare like Athlon xxxx + = Pentium yy GHz upto Willamatte.
but to tell you the truth after introduction of Intel Northwood these things are really confusing without real-life benchmarks:yes:

[samiram]

can anyone pls tell me....
that the 8800gts will support DX10.1 games....
and when will these DX10.1 games will come....
:confused:

[dexter.morgan.666]

What i ment was that:lol::lol::lol::lol:

there are no AMD or Intel processors LOL..Athlon/Sempron/.. ,Pentium/Core2/Celeron/...

So back to the question:D.Is It,

AMD Athlon 64x 2800+ = Intel pentium 2.8Ghz or 1.8 Ghz :confused::confused::confused:

[Anusha]

AMD model numbering doesn't compare AMD and Intel performance (it is a misconception). It only compares an AMD CPU to the original AMD Thunderbird architecture. An AthlonXP 2600+ @ 2.08GHz and FSB333 will perform better than a thunderbird 2.6GHz CPU with FSB "i don't know". :D

This got crippled in X2 CPU numbering. It was a fairly accurate numbering scheme in AthlonXP days.

[Anusha]

can anyone pls tell me....
that the 8800gts will support DX10.1 games....
and when will these DX10.1 games will come....
:confused:
It will be compatible, but if DX10.1 adds some new specs, they cannot be used by DX10 hardware. They could only be performance enhancements.

[blood_brotha]

It's not universal,compare A64 clock with p4,if it's bit old for you think C2D vs Pentium-D clock.


who said to compare A64 to p4.. we were talking bout gpus here :D

intel released netburst with pentiums.. look at the prescotts.. the basic architechture was the same(netburst) what they changed was the clockspeeds and cache..

the differance between a prescott 2.8 p4 and 3.0 p4 is 200mhz extra clock speed.. that makes the 3.0 faster... when they could not increase the clock speed more to make pentium 5 before heating the glaciers of antarctica to water they came up with c2d... superior architechture.. once again in the conroe series the basic achitechture remained the same... the differance between Q6300 and Q 6600 is clcokspeed and cache...

[blood_brotha]

What i ment was that:lol::lol::lol::lol:



So back to the question:D.Is It,

AMD Athlon 64x 2800+ = Intel pentium 2.8Ghz or 1.8 Ghz :confused::confused::confused:


athlonxp=pentium 4 5** series

A64=pentium 4 6** series..

so A64 3000+= pentium 4 630 3.06Ghz

and Athlonxp 3000+=pentium 4 570J 3.06 Ghz

[Anusha]

who said to compare A64 to p4.. we were talking bout gpus here :D

intel released netburst with pentiums.. look at the prescotts.. the basic architechture was the same(netburst) what they changed was the clockspeeds and cache..

the differance between a prescott 2.8 p4 and 3.0 p4 is 200mhz extra clock speed.. that makes the 3.0 faster... when they could not increase the clock speed more to make pentium 5 before heating the glaciers of antarctica to water they came up with c2d... superior architechture.. once again in the conroe series the basic achitechture remained the same... the differance between Q6300 and Q 6600 is clcokspeed and cache...
They changed pipelining design (i.e. stages) and brought SSE3 in Prescott design.

[samiram]

It will be compatible, but if DX10.1 adds some new specs, they cannot be used by DX10 hardware. They could only be performance enhancements.

ok thx machan..
i'll hope that..
i can use my 8800gts for at least another 2 years..
:P

[gayannr]

AMD model numbering doesn't compare AMD and Intel performance (it is a misconception). It only compares an AMD CPU to the original AMD Thunderbird architecture. An AthlonXP 2600+ @ 2.08GHz and FSB333 will perform better than a thunderbird 2.6GHz CPU with FSB "i don't know". :D
but to speak the truth AMD wanted to introduce some way to compare their CPUs to Intel's.:D :D

[Anusha]

but to speak the truth AMD wanted to introduce some way to compare their CPUs to Intel's.:D :D
U can compare them like that until P4C was released (with HTT)

[blood_brotha]

They changed pipelining design (i.e. stages) and brought SSE3 in Prescott design.


thats why i sed "basic".. if they made the major upgrades to the architechture they would have named it P5

[gayannr]

athlonxp=pentium 4 5** series

A64=pentium 4 6** series..

so A64 3000+= pentium 4 630 3.06Ghz

and Athlonxp 3000+=pentium 4 570J 3.06 Ghz
How dare u did compare them so easily haa :P :P
rofl

[blood_brotha]

but to speak the truth AMD wanted to introduce some way to compare their CPUs to Intel's.:D :D


but they didnt work guys in sri lanka though.. to PC house, neat and many computer selling dudes the pentium D dualcore 3.0 is faster than C2D Q6300

[blood_brotha]

How dare u did compare them so easily haa :P :P
rofl

do you see a lot of differance??

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=946&model2=905&chart=434

[gayannr]

but they didnt work guys in sri lanka though.. to PC house, neat and many computer selling dudes the pentium D dualcore 3.0 is faster than C2D Q6300
they are A_ _ HOLES :growl: :growl:

[blood_brotha]

they are A_ _ HOLES :growl: :growl:


do you what the sales dude on the epsi shop on kurunegala told me?? he told me that pentium D was dualcore and it had 2 cores.. ok!!! but he told me that core 2 duo had 4 cores so the 6300 has 4 1.86 cores:D :D

so i'm thinkin core 2 duo(2) is core 2*2=4 :D :D

[gayannr]

do you see a lot of differance??

http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=946&model2=905&chart=434
so you think there is only one A64 3000+ cpu in this world.afaik thare are about 5,6.
and you can't just compare only a single benchmark
here goes http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu_2007.html?modelx=33&model1=946&model2=905&chart=430

[gayannr]

do you what the sales dude on the epsi shop on kurunegala told me?? he told me that pentium D was dualcore and it had 2 cores.. ok!!! but he told me that core 2 duo had 4 cores so the 6300 has 4 1.86 cores:D :D

so i'm thinkin core 2 duo(2) is core 2*2=4 :D :D
poor sales guys they know nothing apart from doing business:D :D

[blood_brotha]

poor sales guys they know nothing apart from doing business:D :D


:yes: :yes:

[blood_brotha]

poor sales guys they know nothing apart from doing business:D :D


and when i told him that there were 800 Fsb C2d's(Allendale) he nearly cried:D :D and nearly told me to go f*** my self