Overclocking Guide

[chanster]

Overclock your CPU/mobo/memory


1) A mainboard (mobo) that allows you to manually change at least the front side bus (FSB), or multiplier.

2) Adequate cooling for the CPU. What is adequate depends on how far you want to push your system, what vcore (CPU voltage) you’re willing to use, and your specific chip model. You can overclock w/ a stock AMD/Intel heat sink (HS), but better cooling = higher speeds (generally). Use a program like MotherBoard Monitor (http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=311) to check your temps. If they're above say 55C don’t even bother overclocking your CPU until you have upgraded your cooling. Though you can overclock your FSB and lower your multiplier in order to keep your CPU at stock speed.

3) Common sense, general computer knowledge, luck, and good memory helps.

Terms/Definitions

FSB - is the speed at which your CPU, memory, and motherboard transfer data. A higher FSB means higher bandwidth, and performance. Your motherboard and memory will limit your max FSB when overclocking. Generally, your CPU will not, though there have been exceptions.

PCI Bus - is the frequency at which your hard disk drive (HDD), PCI slots, USB ports, etc run at. The stock speed is 33.3mhz. Increasing the PCI bus usually doesn’t increase performance noticeably. Running your PCI bus too high can cause PCI cards not to work, USB to stop functioning (rarely), or HDD corruptions (most common) where you could potentially lose all your files and have to reinstall everything. If your using a VIA chipset or any other motherboard where your FSB is multiplied by 1/4, 1/5, or 1/6 to obtain your PCI bus, make sure it never goes over 37mhz-39mhz (37mhz being safe, 39mhz being slightly risky) unless you don’t care if you lose everything. [PCI Bus] = [FSB] X [the divider]

AGP/PCI Express Bus - is the bus speed your accelerated graphics port and graphics card will run at. On motherboards w/ dividers, AGP/PCI Express bus = the PCI bus x 2. Higher bus speed mean more bandwidth. However, many graphics cards do not need anymore bandwidth than they already have at 66.6mhz(AGP)/100Mhz(PCI Express). Though you might see a very small increase in 3D benchmarking scores by it being higher.

Multiplier - is what your FSB will be multiplied by to get the end CPU clock speed. Most mobos allow you to adjust this by .5 increments.

CPU Cache - is the memory that a CPU has within its self (onboard). There is the level-1 (L1) and level-2 (L2) cache and level-3(L3). L1 is faster. Generally, the L2 cache is bigger (because it’s cheaper to manufacture). The size of the caches depend on the processor’s core.

Voltages:

Vcore (vcc) - is the CPU’s core voltage. The higher the voltage, the faster the clock speed the CPU will be able to run at, and the hotter the CPU will get. And yes, there is a point at which more voltage will hurt your overclock.
Memory voltage (vdimm) - The more voltage, the higher the FSB your memory will be able to hit; and/or the better the memory timings your memory will be able to run at. Some memory modules like higher voltages more than others.
Vdd voltage - is the voltage supplied to your chipset. Generally, the higher the voltage the higher the FSB that your motherboard can obtain.
AGP/PCI Express voltage - is the voltage supplied to your AGP/PCI Express slot/card. Raising the voltage to anything above stock (1.5v) is not recommended. This voltage will not help you overclock your GPU much further. It will only enable you to increase the AGP/PCI Express bus, which in most cases, doesn’t increase performance by more than a very small fraction. Increasing this voltage for an extended period of time can cause damage to your video card.

CPU/RAM Ratio, FSB/RAM Divider, etc - This allows you to run your mobo and CPU at a different clock speed than your memory. However, generally w/ AMD boards, a ratio of 1 (1:1, 3/3, 4/4, 5/5, etc) will yield the best performance. Running your mobo and CPU at 200mhz FSB w/ a memory ratio of 6:4 (memory running at 133mhz) will not be very advantageous.

Memory Timings/Delays - are how many cycles your memory is delayed between certain operations. Different memory have different stock timings. Lower timings are better, but the lower the timings, the lower the max FSB that can be obtained by the memory. Example of very good memory timings:
CAS Latency: 2
RAS/Row Precharge (tRP): 2
RAS-to-CAS Delay (tRCD): 2
Row-active-delay (tRAS): 6

CAS - CAS latency is the number of clock cycles between the memory receiving a "read" command and actually starting to read.

RAS/Row Precharge (tRP) - This Precharge to Active timing controls the length of the delay between the precharge and activation commands.

RAS-to-CAS Delay (tRCD) - This timing controls the length of the delay between when a memory bank is activated to when a read/write command is sent to that bank.

Row-active-delay (tRAS) - The Active to Precharge timing controls how soon after activation the access cycle will be started again.

You can think of memory timings and FSB like this: You're picking up boxes from different locations, organized in rows and columns, and moving them to another given location. The timings would be how long you pause between getting the info for your which box you need, finding the box's column, then the box's row, picking up the box, and leaving that area. Frequency would be how fast you walk/run from the time you leave the pick-up area to the time you return for another box (in other words, it has to do with how many times you could get from the pick-up area, to the drop-off area, and back in one minute if you didn't have to worry about finding/getting the box). The faster you run with the box you're carrying, the slower you are able to find your new box and everything with out freaking out. The more you hussle to find/get your new box, the slower you can hussle to drop off the box and get back. You need to find the best balance. With dual channel there are two of you.

[ereshthush]

good info :yes:

[chanster]

The Process/Theory !

Overclocking Basics:
CPU Speed = FSB x The Multiplier. Note: that a system clocked at 210 x 10 = 2100mhz will perform better than the same system clocked at 200 x 10.5 = 2100mhz. This is because your FSB affects not only your CPU, but your motherboard and memory as well. But because you’re also overclocking your motherboard and memory, these components can limit your max FSB. Your motherboard may be able to run at 220mhz FSB, but if your memory can only run at 200mhz, then that’s where you’re FSB overclock is going to have to stop (unless you buy better RAM). It is also possible that your motherboard will stop you before anything else does. When overclocking hardware for the first time, it’s a good idea to find out how fast each component can run individually. Due to concerns w/ the PCI bus, sometimes this can be a bigger challenge for those w/ out a popular chipset. If you do not find your max overclock for each component, when you hit a wall, it will be harder to deduce what is holding you back. Here is the general process of overclocking your CPU/mobo/memory. The options you have in your BIOS totally depends on your chipset, motherboard make/model, and sometime your BIOS version. Your options may just be named differently or you may not have them. It’s up to you to learn how to use your BIOS. Use google and/or your manual to figure out how. If you don’t have the options you want... buy a new mobo.:P

Finding the max FSB for your motherboard:
1) Insure you have good or sufficient cooling for your CPU!
2) Boot into your BIOS settings by hitting the delete key whiling your computer is starting up. On some mobos you use a different key. If del doesn't work, search google.
3) Lower your multiplier to a low setting (5-8).
4) Raise your memory timings, and/or change your CPU/memory ratio so that your memory’s FSB is always at/below it’s rated speed. This should insure that your memory won’t be limiting your FSB, just your mobo.
5) Disable useless BIOS features (depends on your mobo, but CPU speed spectrum, throttling are common ones).
6) Increase your mobo’s voltage (vdd) as high as you safely can. Most motherboards don’t allow you to increase your vdd more than is safe (1.6v-1.7v or higher w/ a decent northbridge heatsink). When in doubt search Google.
7) Increase your system FSB to 10-15mhz above its rated speed. Always make sure your PCI bus speed isn’t too high before you SAVE and exit your BIOS.
8) Then see if you can boot into your operating system. If your computer boots into your OS, and doesn’t restart, or lock-up, increase the FSB by another 10-15mhz.
9) Continue until your computer reboots unexpectedly, or locks-up. When this happens go back into your BIOS and lower your FSB by maybe 5mhz and try again (if that doesn’t work, lower it some more).
10) If you tried a FSB high enough, you may not be able to get back into your BIOS to lower your settings. In this case, you have to use the jumper located near the battery and CMOS chip of your motherboard. Move the jumper from its current pins, to the only other possible position. Then after about 5 seconds, move it back to it’s original location. If you don’t have one of these jumpers, take out your battery for 1 hour or so and then put it back in. You will now be back at default settings. So you must reset everything to where you were just before you hit trouble.
11) Once you are back into your OS open prime95 (http://files.extremeoverclocking.com/file.php?f=103) (which you have already downloaded and installed from here). Then start the “torture test.” This will test your system for stability. Since we’re only testing out the mobo, once torture test has ran continuously for 4 hours with zero errors/reboots/lock-ups, your FSB is stable. If you get an error or crash, lower your FSB by 1mhz or 2mhz. When running the torture test, check your CPU's temperature. It shouldn’t be above 50C MAX since you lowered your multiplier and is probably running below stock clock speed. As mentioned earlier use a program like MotherBoard Monitor (http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=311) to monitor your uhh... motherboard.
12) You now know and can now write down your motherboard’s max FSB

Finding your memory’s max FSB:
1) Go back into your BIOS.
2) Change your CPU/memory ratio to 1:1 (A.K.A.: 1, 1/1, 3/3. 4/4, 5/5, etc).
3) Increase your memory voltage to the max you're willing to run it at (SAFE: 2.8v; MAX: 3.1v).
4) Adjust your memory timings to 2.0-2-2-6 (The last value is up to you. 5-8 should be good, but many nforceII motherboards run better when the last value is 11).
5) First, try your memory’s stock FSB. You should try your stock speed first because 2.0-2-2-x might be lower than your memory’s recommended timings. Then continue to find your memory’s max FSB just like you did w/ the mobo. Now if you work your way back up to your mobo’s max FSB, and your system is stable, then you know your memory can do a higher FSB than your mobo; but you won’t be able to find out what that is with out a higher clocking mobo.
6) The best memory stability testing program is Memtest86. You should unzip the downloaded file to a floppy/CD, then boot to that floppy/CD in order to start the test. Prime95 will also test your memory. Use both if you wish.
7) Now you have found your memory’s max FSB w/ the memory timings 2.0-2-2-x. Test your bandwidth using SiSoftware Sandra’s “Memory Bandwidth Benchmark.” Depending on a lot of factors, you may have better overall performance w/ the timings 2.0-3-3-x. (or higher). You should definitely be able to reach a higher FSB w/ these timings than you did w/ 2.0-2-2-x. So set your memory timings to 2.0-3-3 and test some more! Once you find this max FSB, test your bandwidth again w/ SiSoftware (http://www.sisoftware.co.uk/index.html?dir=&location=downandbuy&langx=en&a=) Sandra, and see which settings yielded the higher score. You can continue to test 2.0-3-2-x, 2.0-2-3-x and whatever other timings you want, or settle on using the one you have already found to work the best thus far.

Finding your max CPU clock speed:
Before we continue, I must say that the important thing is to find the best multi and FSB combination, not necessarily the highest CPU clock speed. Though it is nice to know what the max clock speed is for your chip/cooling. The best combo will depend on which program(s) you want your system to run better on. For your final overclock settings you want your FSB and CPU clock speed to be as close to their maximum's as possible. A system running at 230mhz x 10 = 2300mhz might perform similar to the same system at 210mhz x 11.5 = 2415mhz. You lost 20mhz FSB but gained 115mhz clock speed. Which one is better depends on whether you’re running a CPU intensive application or a “system” intensive application. This is similar to when we found the best memory timing and memory FSB combination. To find out which combo works better: Use a program to benchmark your system such as 3DMark (http://www.futuremark.com/download/3dmark06/), or play a game while monitoring your frames per second (FPS). Note: the following instructions assume you have found your mobo and memory max FSB. To get started w/ the CPU:

1) Enter your BIOS yet again. Set your FSB to something around 40mhz below your mobo’s/memory’s max FSB.
2) Go into the “monitoring” section of your BIOS. See what the vcc/vcore reading is when your vcc voltage is set to “auto.” Depending on the quality of your power supply, the reading may be slightly under what it’s suppose to be. But from this reading you should be able to tell your stock voltage.
3) You can then either first find your max overclock w/ stock voltage, or you can up your voltage right away to find your max stable clock speed for that given voltage. When overclocking you should never allow your CPU to get above 68C (not above 50C is better), nor increase your voltage by more than 25% from its normal voltage (when using air cooling). Feel free to play around w/ higher voltages (25%-32%) for very short term usage. But for daily use, 25% is pushing it.
4) After deciding/setting your voltage, increase your multiplier one setting. Save and exit BIOS.
5) See if you can boot into your OS. If so, continue increasing the multi by one setting, until you cannot get into your OS. Once you can’t, lower the multi back a setting. Then run Prime95's torture test. If you get an error/crash while Prime95ing lower your FSB some and try again. If you pass for 12hours or more, increase your FSB. You should now be close to your maximum clock speed. Now to consider your overclock 100% stable, you should be able to run the torture test w/ out any errors/reboots/lock-ups for 12-24hours.
6) Now find your best FSB/multiplier combination and your set! Congrats on the overclock! Now go upgrade whatever is slowing you down, and do it again! The nice thing about finding all your max speeds is that if you upgrade say your memory, you already know what your motherboard and CPU can do.

[gtkisaru]

:yes:This Sure Helps...Thanx Chanster...:yes:

[zCexVe]

This will not be helpful.99% of Sri Lanka use Kingston Value RAM.For DDR1 they max out DDR530 with kingston chips.Nanya>hynix both low than that.Prime stable max @ DDR500.
For DDR2,DDR 667 can go upto DDR 860 like havent tested with the late cheap ones.So the FSB will be maxed at 215 in 1:1.Performance bottlenecks here.Also when 95% have onboard VGAs no hope in OC.:P

[chanster]

This will not be helpful.99% of Sri Lanka use Kingston Value RAM.For DDR1 they max out DDR530 with kingston chips.Nanya>hynix both low than that.Prime stable max @ DDR500.
For DDR2,DDR 667 can go upto DDR 860 like havent tested with the late cheap ones.So the FSB will be maxed at 215 in 1:1.Performance bottlenecks here.Also when 95% have onboard VGAs no hope in OC.:P

This is what i get for trying to help........Cheers......

[chanster]

Now that you've hit your CPU wall. I should tell you that your power supply (PSU) can also limit your overclock as well. If you CPU's voltage is fluctuating alot, your CPU will not be stable. Your vcore fluctuates because your power supply either dosn't have enough power to keep it at the desired level or is too poorly made to keep your voltages at the that level despite how much power it can output. That is why it is important for overclockers to buy good PSUs. To see if your PSU might be the problem, go into your BIOS or use Motherboard Monitor to keep an eye on the voltages. Vcore shouldn't range by more than say 0.07v. Your 3.3v, 5v, and 12v shouldn't jump all over the place or be under/over their ideal voltage by more than 2.5% MAX. BIOS readings aren't always accurate. To test your 5v and 12v lines, test a molex connector using a multimeter. Need more info? Haven't you learned already... Google.com!!


If you have any suggestions for this guide (something isn’t clear, is inaccurate, grametically sucks, I have a broken link, or you have something to add), PLEASE let me know!! Overclocking is 90% luck... Good luck!

[Sasika@Elakiri]

This is what i get for trying to help........Cheers......
okata kiyanne jumbo jelly machan

dont take it serious, keep it up

[chanster]

Have to mention I'm NOT responsible if your CPU will look like this after overclocking......

5492

[Sasika@Elakiri]

Have to mention I'm NOT responsible if your CPU will look like this after overclocking......

5492


Dats not bcoz of overclocking , dats b coz it is an AMD :lol: :lol:

[fallenzeraphine]

nice tut chanster, its very good as a general guide line, zcexve u are wrong(unless u r using a bloody old AMD RIG) for Core 2's u dont need a gazillion dollar RAM to OC...a 667MHz or 800MHz will do the trick..only thing is to get a Core 2 with a multiplier mainly higher than 8 (8 is almost perfect) and there are a butt load of them out there EX:

E 6600 mul 9 OC on a 800MHz = 9x400 = 3.6 GHz (almost the limit of a air cooled Core 2 with a G2 revision G0 go a bit higher)
E 6420 mul 8 OC on a 800MHz = 8x333 = ~3.0GHz
* 800MHz Ram with a 1GB is 3500 RS in SL

and there are some very cheap core 2s like E2xxx series with even higher multiplier cuz they have lower FSB they r just superb to OC with normal white paper RAM...

And man mobos with onboard VGA are made for ppl who cant afford a mobo that CAN OC, THEY CANT OC cuz they are made not to..not cause they have a onboard VGA...if u want to OC u NEED A VERY GOOD MOBO thats a fact

cheers...

[zCexVe]

This is what i get for trying to help........Cheers......
Duh..Dude weve had those convos early and there are no many OCers here.Less than 10.Do you OC? Show your OC to us so we can talk about it too.And the ppl who do have options to OC in LK buy them coz they know about OC.
But all n all I appreciate your time and effort If you typed that all to make ppl aware and to feel the great in Ocing.Thats appreciated no matter what.

[zCexVe]

nice tut chanster, its very good as a general guide line, zcexve u are wrong(unless u r using a bloody old AMD RIG) for Core 2's u dont need a gazillion dollar RAM to OC...a 667MHz or 800MHz will do the trick..only thing is to get a Core 2 with a multiplier mainly higher than 8 (8 is almost perfect) and there are a butt load of them out there EX:

E 6600 mul 9 OC on a 800MHz = 9x400 = 3.6 GHz (almost the limit of a air cooled Core 2 with a G2 revision G0 go a bit higher)
E 6420 mul 8 OC on a 800MHz = 8x333 = ~3.0GHz
* 800MHz Ram with a 1GB is 3500 RS in SL

and there are some very cheap core 2s like E2xxx series with even higher multiplier cuz they have lower FSB they r just superb to OC with normal white paper RAM...

And man mobos with onboard VGA are made for ppl who cant afford a mobo that CAN OC, THEY CANT OC cuz they are made not to..not cause they have a onboard VGA...if u want to OC u NEED A VERY GOOD MOBO thats a fact

cheers...
You are better than sasika@Elakiri but buddy I have some little things to show you.No worries.I make mistakes too.I didnt born with these things,I learnt everything by reading a lot and experimenting.
My post is here because weve had longer covos in 4Q 2006 and first half of 2007 with OCing.You might not have seen them.(coz of EK style,I cant point out a thread,all mixed like achcharu :D)

I use a bloody old AMD RIG,you point out the fact that AMD is harder to OC coz HT decides both CPU frequency and mem clock.But remeber Always the higher clock doesnt do the trick.You should have a good memory bandwidth with a good FSB/HT:Memory ratio.If not it will not be useful.Just to submit the best clock to hwbot.org.:P You are saying that putting a 1:3 like ratio on memory and run the CPU at a very high clock.That doesn't play well, aint it?Even though a synthetic benchmark like Sandra shows a little margin,It will clearly show some diff in real world applications.Too heat is a factor here as we all know those cheap value RAMs get heated quickly.Also when some of the heated CPU air is on the RAM it gets more worse.
You dont need a gazillion dollars to buy RAM.My OCZ SLi ready 2x2GB DDR800 4-5-4-12 kit costed 160 USD.Considering it does 800~1200 on 4-5-4-12 Its dirty cheap and I bought them last year.Now its more cheap.DDR2 is like cheap whore.Everywhere.:D

E6600 on air will do more than 4 gig on air @least on my Striker Extreme.I can show you some results with P35s.


E 6600 mul 9 OC on a 800MHz = 9x400 = 3.6 GHz
E 6420 mul 8 OC on a 800MHz = 8x333 = ~3.0GHz
This is wrong if its 800 MHz,as Intel is Quad pumped it will be 9x200=1600 MHz
you are telling us about a 1600FSB which will be 400 base and the clock will be 9x400=2600MHz
And just for the record
E6600 stock is 9*266=2400MHz
E6420 stock is 8*266=2130MHz
You can keep the memory around 800 MHz with a mutiplier you have given with the mobo,higher the merrier.
With E2XXX series I totally agree with you.Infact you can mod the CPU to get it as a 1066FSB CPU by default by shorting two notches and it will make it easy.Cache is not sooo much important as ppl say.It will make 1~3 second impact in many cases which in real world usually dont count.
Havent I told the same about onboard VGA?Thats the point.When 95%< ppl use OB VGA how could they OC?I OCed with a 6.5k Asrock conroe 1333 or sumthing with a E4400(10*200)went to like I think 2.4.But memory held it up and had some FSB holes also with OB VGA.So you can see I just have put the 200 to 233 the base clock.The easiest OCs.Like C2Q6600 goes 3gig with 9*333 instead of 9*266.
Nice talking with you.Long time I had a chat like this in EK.The VGA Fanboysm is too much as always and everything ends up either ATi or nVIDIA.:P

[hemalmenaka]

Dats not bcoz of overclocking , dats b coz it is an AMD :lol: :lol:


totally agree:D :D :D :D :D

[zCexVe]

Have to mention I'm NOT responsible if your CPU will look like this after overclocking......

http://www.elakiri.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5492&d=1203276393

Dude,You have exaggerated and make people afraid of OCing.You are letting em back :D. As I think the one you show is one of the most popular,even I had one,AMD Athlon 1.6(166x10) 256KB L2 CPU.Those days mobos had just the external CPU thermal sensor.Not much great internal CPU thermal sensors like today.But enen though My then mobo halted @ 100C and immediate turn off.I dont think that is because of OC.

[lahirumam]

totally agree:D :D :D :D :D
:confused: :confused: :confused: What...??
That's Careless-ness

[zCexVe]

Dats not bcoz of overclocking , dats b coz it is an AMD :lol: :lol:

totally agree:D :D :D :D :D
Those days AMD was renowned for OCing too.And heat was a factor due in K6-II seasons.It was exaggerated that AMDs heat more in SL by some idiots.Hell,what do you call Pentium Ds and IVs compared to Athlon X2?:P

[chanster]

Duh..Dude weve had those convos early and there are no many OCers here.Less than 10.Do you OC? Show your OC to us so we can talk about it too.And the ppl who do have options to OC in LK buy them coz they know about OC.
But all n all I appreciate your time and effort If you typed that all to make ppl aware and to feel the great in Ocing.Thats appreciated no matter what.

I know there are only a few who OC here.....But there are only a very few who understands your technicle mumbo jumbo.........So Please just dont boast your knowledge here......99% of Elakiri cant understand what you are talkting.....My tute explains what is what in a very simple way so that everyone can understand......Its not a advance overclocking tute..its a starters guide.....

So tell about your OCZ SLi ram n all that jazz in one of your threads cause as i said, 99% here don't know what you are talking about........

I do overclock ...my system is cooled by water...unfortunately the board w/ i could overclocked died and i had to use my old board(al the overclock features are locked)...

[chanster]

Dude,You have exaggerated and make people afraid of OCing.You are letting em back :D. As I think the one you show is one of the most popular,even I had one,AMD Athlon 1.6(166x10) 256KB L2 CPU.Those days mobos had just the external CPU thermal sensor.Not much great internal CPU thermal sensors like today.But enen though My then mobo halted @ 100C and immediate turn off.I dont think that is because of OC.

If you say that oveclock has no impact on the CPU's life.........Then i don't have anything more to say........

[sri_lion]

If you say that oveclock has no impact on the CPU's life.........Then i don't have anything more to say........

Whether it does have a impact or not, Doesn't really bother me.. cuz its not like I'm gonna use the same CPU for the rest of my life :lol: :P

[anarkalee]

digaaaaaaaaaaaaai

[shalinda]

wow ela

[sri_lion]

digaaaaaaaaaaaaai

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[wjlfernando]

thankzz very much

[milindasenarath]

i dont want 2 overclock
i think its bad 4da lifetime of da com

[chanster]

i dont want 2 overclock
i think its bad 4da lifetime of da com

Warrenty thiyanawanam prashnayak na macha....play w/ it.....all you have to do is....just move the fsb here and there.....

[Sasika@Elakiri]

You are better than sasika@Elakiri but buddy


umba machanz mata arawa mewa kiyala anthimata mama monawahari kivva ma adagena admins lata report karapan hode, eeye kala wage

[nabil]

what if u screw up? no warranty no mobo :no:

[Sasika@Elakiri]

what if u screw up? no warranty no mobo :no:

ahh machan ko prices???:rofl:

[nabil]

ahh machan ko prices???:rofl:
mama ahuwa kaden. unla prices danne nellu hariyata. uba illanne high end badu ne. api podi kattiya machan :D

[Jayanga]

Do u have any jelous with our PC's.

( Just a Joke )

[Sasika@Elakiri]

mama ahuwa kaden. unla prices danne nellu hariyata. uba illanne high end badu ne. api podi kattiya machan :D

aparade, fissuda machan umba hithuwe ganna ahanawa kiyala da?:D nikan dangann ahanne.

apith podi, thama old pentium D eken adinne:D :D

awulak naa

[zCexVe]

I know there are only a few who OC here.....But there are only a very few who understands your technicle mumbo jumbo.........So Please just dont boast your knowledge here......99% of Elakiri cant understand what you are talkting.....My tute explains what is what in a very simple way so that everyone can understand......Its not a advance overclocking tute..its a starters guide.....

So tell about your OCZ SLi ram n all that jazz in one of your threads cause as i said, 99% here don't know what you are talking about........

I do overclock ...my system is cooled by water...unfortunately the board w/ i could overclocked died and i had to use my old board(al the overclock features are locked)...
If I want to bost my knowledge,I will not stop in this thread.I would have done a lot to show off.:D :P
And unfortunately If you dont understand "technicle mumbo jumbo" you dont know how to OC.:D
I told about my OCZ RAMs(I still use Kingston KVR in this rig which Im talking to you,no offence to them they made our PCs better by ultra low RAM prices)coz it was mentioned these highends require gazallions of dollars.But actually they are cheap.
I know 99% of EK cant understand what I say.(That includes you too as I see)Thats why news and Discussion field is soo lonely compared to EK talk which all the fun is there.
Water cooled doesnt mean it is sooo great.I am 100% sure you are using a Gigabyte 3D Galaxy 1 coz it was the one in LK.If you call that crap water cooling........... If anyhow it is dangerden,vigor gaming,swiftech then thats something to talk about which honestly Im not profound and would love to learn from anyone who will teach me.:D
Thats a sad thing your board died.My sympathies :(

Please if you are going to quote me ,quote full and answer each and every part.Like me.Not the part which you can blame me or harrase me.:D

Besides I usually dont tell lies.Or facts I dont know.I once remeber u told that 8800GT is available in Unity for 35k or sumthing XFX.I checked two days later whole unity,Everyone said they didnt even brought one,and noone didnt knew about it.The shop you mentioned had 8800GTS 640MB for 65k when me and dexter checked.:D
Keep these in mind.Better we both get on topic so someone get something useful.This is just like a fight :(

[zCexVe]

If you say that oveclock has no impact on the CPU's life.........Then i don't have anything more to say........
I think you are sinhala.So Im going to put this in Sinhala.
Mama kothanada kiyala thiyenne Overclock kirima CPU eke jeevitha kaalayata hani karanne natha kiyala? Actually the most harmful will be the higher Vcore.

[Sasika@Elakiri]

Yes a fight n now please stop

[zCexVe]

umba machanz mata arawa mewa kiyala anthimata mama monawahari kivva ma adagena admins lata report karapan hode, eeye kala wage
You were going all too wrong in a thread posted by me.Its my responsibility to keep it up to the topic.I dont mind EK style coz its everyone but you and samiram went awkward.Mentioning all filth.Showing how bad you are.I totally cooled down samiram with talking to him as he is my friend and I showed GTRZ the thread.Even a fool will understand what happened.I PMed GTand in my PM I said if he wants to ban me,ban me no prob with that.Just try to be good,K?I have kinedly speaked to you in the past thinking you will come good.Even though others made fun of you.Then I made fun of you.Then I just slightly warned you.But you kept it up to the point of no choice for me other than I am coming into your level.Sorry bro,you should have thought that I was just seeing you what you type and let them off because Im a coward.But they were chances.Now if you come across me ,its WAR.

[Sasika@Elakiri]

You were going all too wrong in a thread posted by me.Its my responsibility to keep it up to the topic.
I dont mind EK style coz its everyone but you and samiram went awkward

Yes true my bad bt had nothing to do bcoz he's the one who said a bad thing 1st

I have kinedly speaked to you in the past thinking you will come good
never, All you guys tried to do is bite me , and never succeed.


.Now if you come across me ,its WAR.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[zCexVe]

Do u have any jelous with our PC's.

( Just a Joke )pissuda macho.Ehema deyak naa.Mama professionaly PC shop ekaka vada karanava.(Part time,I dont get money like you.I'm poor and these PC parts are all from my sweat,friends and kind relatives.)Ithin mama samanyayen dannava lankave me field eke venne,venna yanne,vune mokakda kiyala.Ekai ithin mama ara kingston RAm gena ehema kivve.Anika mama danna tharamin Asrock board(33% OC) ,Foxconn board(dont know how much) nui thamai 7k ta aduven OC karanna thiyenne.Eka misak jealous venna deyak mata ne.

[zCexVe]

Yes true my bad bt had nothing to do bcoz he's the one who said a bad thing 1stGood.Now you are kind of positive.Better than past it seems:D keep it up.

[chanster]

Water cooled doesnt mean it is sooo great.I am 100% sure you are using a Gigabyte 3D Galaxy 1 coz it was the one in LK.If you call that crap water cooling........... If anyhow it is dangerden,vigor gaming,swiftech then thats something to talk about which honestly Im not profound and would love to learn from anyone who will teach me.:D
useful.This is just like a fight :(

Good Sir......first of all i must tell you that my English is not good as yours.......but i i think i told that 99% cant understand you which doesn't mean that i cant...I must say i tend to read what interests me.....like the news you gave about the Auzentech OPAMPs.....

Now about the Crap 3D Galaxy u mentioned....Yes true that its the only water cooling kit available in Sri Lanka but why do u call it crap when it gives temps like this on a P4 530
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/4408/20022008480ll0.jpg
By chansteronline (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/chansteronline) at 2008-02-19

As far as i know u should know about the Pentium 4 530.....On air cooling Idle it stays at ~56....when load it around ~66..I know this as i do frequent work with 3Ds Max and Maya.....So as you can see having a 3D Galaxy is not all that bad...

Yes lots of people say its crap but do you know why?
Simple
Its water block is not as advance as the D-Tek or the ones you mentioned....IT does not cover the whole CPU.....So some of the heat the processor is generating goes to waste from the part that is not covered by the water block....but you can always fit a FuZion water block to this kit....The pump and the radiator is more like as the other brands......they cant differ much....Its all about the water block......

So Please don't bash products as it is the only one which is available in Sri Lanka....There are lots of people who dreams about having themselves a water cooling kit......

About the GTS 640 u mentioned ...it is MORE expensive than the 8800GT so its priced at 65k here.....I'm sorry i don't have proof to show you that 8800GT is 35k in Unity...But as i remember one member mentioned that the Asus 8800GT is 42 in the Asus centre...Come to think of the place "Asus centre" it is priced like that.....So in Unity i think the 8800GT is cheaper.......

I hope the fight will end as i wont post in this forum for a long time.......Good day to you:)

[zCexVe]

Good Sir......first of all i must tell you that my English is not good as yours.......but i i think i told that 99% cant understand you which doesn't mean that i cant...I must say i tend to read what interests me.....like the news you gave about the Auzentech OPAMPs.....

Now about the Crap 3D Galaxy u mentioned....Yes true that its the only water cooling kit available in Sri Lanka but why do u call it crap when it gives temps like this on a P4 530
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/4408/20022008480ll0.jpg
By chansteronline (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/chansteronline) at 2008-02-19

As far as i know u should know about the Pentium 4 530.....On air cooling Idle it stays at ~56....when load it around ~66..I know this as i do frequent work with 3Ds Max and Maya.....So as you can see having a 3D Galaxy is not all that bad...

Yes lots of people say its crap but do you know why?
Simple
Its water block is not as advance as the D-Tek or the ones you mentioned....IT does not cover the whole CPU.....So some of the heat the processor is generating goes to waste from the part that is not covered by the water block....but you can always fit a FuZion water block to this kit....The pump and the radiator is more like as the other brands......they cant differ much....Its all about the water block......

So Please don't bash products as it is the only one which is available in Sri Lanka....There are lots of people who dreams about having themselves a water cooling kit......

About the GTS 640 u mentioned ...it is MORE expensive than the 8800GT so its priced at 65k here.....I'm sorry i don't have proof to show you that 8800GT is 35k in Unity...But as i remember one member mentioned that the Asus 8800GT is 42 in the Asus centre...Come to think of the place "Asus centre" it is priced like that.....So in Unity i think the 8800GT is cheaper.......

I hope the fight will end as i wont post in this forum for a long time.......Good day to you:)
LOL I'm younger than you.About English..Who cares?I have installed a dictionary for me and we have Sinhala too.
Well,If you have switched the WB to a D-tek Fusion then it comes to good from crap.Its now modded.:D If its stock the crap.Anyway I want to mention the sound from the fan in the kit.It IS loud aint it?

Well for me I hate WCing coz as you know,tubing,lubricant changing,cleaning copper blocks thats hardwork.Considering this has only a CPU block AFAIK its hard work for only that.I know many people dream of that but in reality a water loop is kind a hard to keep.I would suggest you (Not in jealousy, k?)Sell that water loop to someone who is interested.Many think from heart so it will be easy:D.Sell the mobo+CPU too.Get a core 2 say E6550/6750 with something like Foxconn Mars,Gigabyte GA P35-DS3P/R/L V1.1/V2.0.No need to WC coz they run cooler with OC options :D

About the 8800GT,you wont have proof.Well at least till last Sunday.
I didnt visit ASUS centre lately.They should have one or two for sure but dont know whether arrived or not.

To end the fight,you dont have to leave the forum:D Just stop chatting with me(well I dont know,I meant putting replies for mine).If I did what you are gonna do,I wouldnt be here now,surely Elakiri Sasika(Guy is tough,have to give for that) :D.
But all n all,this is a great convo I had in last few months here.Otherwise just putting(Copy-->pasting)news and some spammers goes by.
Thank you for that.

Can you post what your mobo mdel is?Coz usually mobos post the V readings rather than an OK.mmm and 33 C in BIOS (if its on for few minutes)is not soo much great.But if it ws under heavy load it would be greaat considering ambient around 28.Even my old AMD rig running on table has 49C max under load with only stock cooler with 28 ambient.

You too Have a nice day.

[Anusha]

So in Unity i think the 8800GT is cheaper.......
If you can find one that is...:P

However, I asked from PC Partner (HQ in Kolpity) about a couple of months ago, and they said they can import it as a special order and will cost about 80k :P (and u know what I'd rather do, right? :rofl:)

And people, don't fight :D Poor Chanster...everybody trying to eat his head.

Speaking of Water cooling....I'm not a fan of them. I feel they don't do much for the price you pay. AFAIK (I maybe wrong) there are air coolers that perform on par, such as Scythe Infinity. (Oh I need one of those babies).

I'm gonna buy a Northbridge Fan today and see if I can pull up some more juice. Stupid chipsets! Why can't they handle 4 DIMMs well?! :(

If you say that oveclock has no impact on the CPU's life.........Then i don't have anything more to say........
Well, it has, if you go hardcore. Otherwise, if you are overclocking keeping the CPU at the stock voltage, then it virtually doesn't have any impact. This is the case with mine. My CPU's (E6300) stock vcore is 1.35V (olded C2D model tbh, so a little high on the vcore...the latest ones are 1.25V or something iirc). I'm running it at 2.7V at 1.3V (overclocked, but undervolted). Actually it might give a better lifetime than at the stock settings. Sure, higher the clock speed, higher the heat dissipation. But the lowered vcore probably cancels it out.

Further, at stock vcore, an overclocked E6550 is identical to E6850, except FSB difference, which doesn't have any impact on the CPU (might stress the mobo though). So the overclocked E6550 will get the same lifetime as a STOCK E6850 (at the same clock speeds).

[chanster]

Well for me I hate WCing coz as you know,tubing,lubricant changing,cleaning copper blocks thats hardwork.Considering this has only a CPU block AFAIK its hard work for only that.I know many people dream of that but in reality a water loop is kind a hard to keep.I would suggest you (Not in jealousy, k?)Sell that water loop to someone who is interested.Many think from heart so it will be easy:D.Sell the mobo+CPU too.Get a core 2 say E6550/6750 with something like Foxconn Mars,Gigabyte GA P35-DS3P/R/L V1.1/V2.0.No need to WC coz they run cooler with OC options :D
Yes i would love to..Specially the Gigabyte GA P35-DS3P....Im not rich like you....Im a very poor man...I spent a lot of money on my X-Fi and now im broke....I spend on unique things....things that few ppl care about such as WC,Sound card...considering very few ppl have WC its considered as a luxury:P ......All who sees my PC asks what is that blue thing....So ill never want to sell it......Im very satisfied with the temp its giving me......going down from 56 to 33 maybe a small thing for you...but for me its huge:D .....


Can you post what your mobo mdel is?Coz usually mobos post the V readings rather than an OK.mmm and 33 C in BIOS (if its on for few minutes)is not soo much great.But if it ws under heavy load it would be greaat considering ambient around 28.Even my old AMD rig running on table has 49C max under load with only stock cooler with 28 ambient.

You too Have a nice day.

Im using a Gigabyte 945GZME....btw whats the processor you have......49C on full load with stock......hmmmm......once i had a 1700+ Athlon XP stock cooling idle it was at 47C.......

Dont think im leaving cause of you....Sasika@Elakiri is rite....All people with big post counts tend to take on newbies......When i first joined this forum i tried to explain what is X-Fi ...In the end all the high post count ppl kept on shooting at me.....I don't want to mention names...but if you look at that thread u will understand........Typical Sri Lanka.....U get it everywhere...From the internet to the place where you work......

EDIT=Not all people try yo take on newbies.....

[chanster]

Speaking of Water cooling....I'm not a fan of them. I feel they don't do much for the price you pay. AFAIK (I maybe wrong) there are air coolers that perform on par, such as Scythe Infinity. (Oh I need one of those babies).


You are wrong......Air cooling cant perform par with water.Not even Thermalright Ultra 120 (http://www.anandtech.com/casecooling/showdoc.aspx?i=2943)......Explanation= Google.com

[Anusha]

You are wrong......Air cooling cant perform par with water.Not even Thermalright Ultra 120 (http://www.anandtech.com/casecooling/showdoc.aspx?i=2943)......Explanation= Google.com
Hmm...ok. But, air cooling performance differs from case to case, cooling setup to setup and a lot of things. One person might get 30C with a cooler, and another person might get 45C with the same cooler. There is no such thing in Water cooling. Thermaltake Ultra 120 looks nice though :D

[zCexVe]

Yes i would love to..Specially the Gigabyte GA P35-DS3P....Im not rich like you....Im a very poor man...I spent a lot of money on my X-Fi and now im broke....I spend on unique things....things that few ppl care about such as WC,Sound card...considering very few ppl have WC its considered as a luxury:P ......All who sees my PC asks what is that blue thing....So ill never want to sell it......Im very satisfied with the temp its giving me......going down from 56 to 33 maybe a small thing for you...but for me its huge:D .....




Im using a Gigabyte 945GZME....btw whats the processor you have......49C on full load with stock......hmmmm......once i had a 1700+ Athlon XP stock cooling idle it was at 47C.......

Dont think im leaving cause of you....Sasika@Elakiri is rite....All people with big post counts tend to take on newbies......When i first joined this forum i tried to explain what is X-Fi ...In the end all the high post count ppl kept on shooting at me.....I don't want to mention names...but if you look at that thread u will understand........Typical Sri Lanka.....U get it everywhere...From the internet to the place where you work......

EDIT=Not all people try yo take on newbies.....
newbies tell lies.Thats why ppl with big post counts(usually good ones)take on em.If started well nothing to be bited.And you are the first one to tell elakirisasika is right :D jk

I'm sorry but this will start another fight.Cant help it :(
Consisdering the sound quality X-Fi,SB 2/4 value dont have much in difference.They all have same clarity and quality.But X-Fi being bit more fast and have 2MB RAM.Fatality have 64MB AFAIK.The RAM is said to be for added fast but since now we use PCI-e or PCI Its not much at all required.During the ISA age it would have been great ,the AWE32 had slots for memory addon.Coz ISA was so slow and the wavetable was brought on to RAM to be decoded.Now since we have great speeds and OB sound is so great,Actually sound department doesnt need to be a addon.
But YES,as a fan of Creative X-Fi and to show off its a great part.I'll discuss about this more at night coz the kb im typing put double letters for some.Hard to type.The sentences may be not well connected.Sorry for that.

[zCexVe]

Hmm...ok. But, air cooling performance differs from case to case, cooling setup to setup and a lot of things. One person might get 30C with a cooler, and another person might get 45C with the same cooler. There is no such thing in Water cooling. Thermaltake Ultra 120 looks nice though :D
X2.

[zCexVe]

You are wrong......Air cooling cant perform par with water.Not even Thermalright Ultra 120 (http://www.anandtech.com/casecooling/showdoc.aspx?i=2943)......Explanation= Google.com
YES.But not always.The TRUE caught bigwatwer 760 in 2C in the techpowerup review AFAIK

[Anusha]

X2.
X2? :S

[x-pert]

:rofl: Nice thread... Nice thread to realise the true smart asses :lol:

[zCexVe]

Speaking of Water cooling....I'm not a fan of them. I feel they don't do much for the price you pay. AFAIK (I maybe wrong) there are air coolers that perform on par, such as Scythe Infinity. (Oh I need one of those babies).I'm sure you love those Japanese either coz of silent or coz of the Anime they make.:D :D
But now as newegg too strated to sell Xigmatek.YaYYY w0000t!!
I sold my Zalman 9700 to a nephiew(It was at USA)and Hoping to get the Xigmatek HDT S-1283.It came 1st in frostytech 4 some reason.And it is 31USD.The best at dirty cheap.It is silent too.But I'm thinking of replacing it with a high CFM blue LED fan.:D

[zCexVe]

X2? :SI meant I second that :P

[Anusha]

I'm sure you love those Japanese either coz of silent or coz of the Anime they make.:D :D
But now as newegg too strated to sell Xigmatek.YaYYY w0000t!!
I sold my Zalman 9700 to a nephiew(It was at USA)and Hoping to get the Xigmatek HDT S-1283.It came 1st in frostytech 4 some reason.And it is 31USD.The best at dirty cheap.It is silent too.But I'm thinking of replacing it with a high CFM blue LED fan.:D
*Sniff* apita kohenda oyawage chance :(
I meant I second that :P
:lol:

[nabil]

http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/4408/20022008480ll0.jpg
By chansteronline (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/chansteronline)
to you:)
ahh new age screen shooting

[Anusha]

:rofl: Nice thread... Nice thread to realise the true smart asses :lol:
:P

[x-pert]

:P

:rofl: You know what I meant right :P

[Anusha]

:rofl: You know what I meant right :P
Maybe I don't :S

[chanster]

Consisdering the sound quality X-Fi,SB 2/4 value dont have much in difference.They all have same clarity and quality.But X-Fi being bit more fast and have 2MB RAM.Fatality have 64MB AFAIK.The RAM is said to be for added fast but since now we use PCI-e or PCI Its not much at all required.During the ISA age it would have been great ,the AWE32 had slots for memory addon.Coz ISA was so slow and the wavetable was brought on to RAM to be decoded.Now since we have great speeds and OB sound is so great,Actually sound department doesnt need to be a addon.
But YES,as a fan of Creative X-Fi and to show off its a great part.I'll discuss about this more at night coz the kb im typing put double letters for some.Hard to type.The sentences may be not well connected.Sorry for that.

Im waiting for you to talk about X-Fi

EDIT=ha ha PCI-e PCI,ISA n Xram..... ha hahahahahahahaha "OB sound is so great,Actually sound department doesnt need to be a addon."

[Anusha]

Im waiting for you to talk about X-Fi

EDIT=ha ha PCI-e PCI,ISA n Xram..... ha hahahahahahahaha
w00t! The battle continues... :D

[chanster]

w00t! The battle continues... :D

Yes and please i hope its between him and me......not everyone against me....

[Kalindugayan]

Have to mention I'm NOT responsible if your CPU will look like this after overclocking......

5492
appata siri

[Anusha]

Yes and please i hope its between him and me......not everyone against me....
Ok ok...

[chanster]

Appreciate!

[chanster]

Now since we have great speeds and OB sound is so great,Actually sound department doesnt need to be a addon.


First of all Yes OB sound is reasonably ok these days.......But u cant compare them to after market cards.....

what makes a soundcard so different from onboard?

a soundcard is a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter), its task is to convert digital data from media source (such as CD, MP3, FLAC, APE, etc etc) into analog signal to be later converted into sound by a speaker.

while onboard and add-on soundcard has similar task, those soundcards have different ways and tools to convert those data into signal.

and while onboard depends on CPU and RAM to process those, an add-on soundcard has its own processor and ram to do that.

if we're talking about greatness of those CPU and RAM, of course technically a core2duo or core2quad is greater, but please do keep in mind that those processor need to process other tasks than just an audio....
in gaming a CPU and RAM on PC has to manage perform tasks from the game software to produce complicated and stressful calculations and graphics.
while on the other hand, using a dedicated soundcard will release the burden of those tasks from your CPU and RAM and not to mention those add-on soundcard has above normal priority set for doing audio processing.
so by having add-on soundcards, at least there will be no more choppy and screechy or any other distracting/interfering sound:D



now we move on to sound quality.
ever wonder what makes audiophile CD player is so damn expensive(such as Denon CD Player)?
basically a CD player is a DAC (or soundcard itself) becos its task is to read from digital data(CD) and convert it to analog signal through RCA cables (Red and White plug cables)
those expensive CD Player has top notch components such as audio grade capacitors, Operational Amplifiers, and DAC Chip, so there for they produce far superior sound quality compared to other CD/DVD player you can find on the market(toshiba/or any other china brand)

you could test it yourself using the same speaker and you will notice it immediately.

now a soundcard is just the same as those audiophile CD Player minus the CD reader.
it processes those audio task dedicatedly, and using components made solely for that purpose.

this is not a snake oil, if you can demo/hear it for yourself, you should pinpoint the exact difference between generic DAC such as onboard soundcard which depends heavily on PC CPU/RAM with a great dedicated DAC soundcard.

[Ranhiru]

Oh u might want 2 take a look @ this thread (http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51137&highlight=overclock) as well
My thread and after hours of discussions with da PC Pro's here is decided maybe i should not OC...:D :D

And machan da MB software u posted (or someone else) does not hav my MB in it...:( :(
My MB is an Asus P4V8X-MX

[siri24]

pattaaaa

[chanster]

Oh u might want 2 take a look @ this thread (http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51137&highlight=overclock) as well
My thread and after hours of discussions with da PC Pro's here is decided maybe i should not OC...:D :D

And machan da MB software u posted (or someone else) does not hav my MB in it...:( :(
My MB is an Asus P4V8X-MX

Macho for Asus there is a thing called Asus probe.......which monitors everything...It comes with the mobo CD......

[gayannr]

Guys why wouldn't u post ur OCings here
http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1461160

[Ranhiru]

Macho for Asus there is a thing called Asus probe.......which monitors everything...It comes with the mobo CD......

Oh ela thanx machan...i hav it...never tried it :D :D

[zCexVe]

Im waiting for you to talk about X-Fi

EDIT=ha ha PCI-e PCI,ISA n Xram..... ha hahahahahahahaha "OB sound is so great,Actually sound department doesnt need to be a addon."
Great to be home.I'm late I suppose .No ones online:(
I dont know what you smile at.Those are the things from the past which I learnt on.:( And my saying goes on.If you dont have something great speakers you wont feel any.Actually many people cant Identify the slight differences off the sound.And if you look back for the past 3-4 years from AC97 audio to HD audio OB sound has improved in quality a lot.Virtually its the same quality but the few things like CPU usage are different considering the OB and separate card.

[Sasika@Elakiri]

Great to be home.I'm late I suppose .No ones online:(
I dont know what you smile at.Those are the things from the past which I learnt on.:( And my saying goes on.If you dont have something great speakers you wont feel any.Actually many people cant Identify the slight differences off the sound.And if you look back for the past 3-4 years from AC97 audio to HD audio OB sound has improved in quality a lot.Virtually its the same quality but the few things like CPU usage are different considering the OB and separate card.


You tell the same thing on and on and on....... , thanks to your copy and paste techniques ;) Shall we stop the fight now , this is not good

and Im sure that chanster wont be greedy to give you the win ! :dull: :D

[zCexVe]

@ Chanster.Here is your reply :D
I'll qoute part by part.We are going talking mainly on X-Fis as agreed and mentioning others.

First of all Yes OB sound is reasonably ok these days.......But u cant compare them to after market cards.....


Its really good.You wont feel a change with my OB Creative SB Audigy 2 SE and chans X-FI coz all the sound is same from these SB audigy and X-Fi. Its the APU is different.And performance wise.Dont think that it will gain 5FPS.But 1-2 may be.

what makes a soundcard so different from onboard?
OB one you cant see or separated coz its on your mobo.Separate one can is an addon card .you can remove it :P :P :P

a soundcard is a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter), its task is to convert digital data from media source (such as CD, MP3, FLAC, APE, etc etc) into analog signal to be later converted into sound by a speaker. I have nothing to tell :(
Can you explain this.
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/2132/250pxcirruslogiccs4282aux7.jpg
The CS4382 8 channel DAC on X Fi Fatality.(It took for years to get the image toshow.:P)
You can see there is a Cirrus Logic DAC in X-Fi.Well you are the one who wanted to talk about X-Fi.Explain why there is a CA20k1 when DAC is there?

while onboard and add-on soundcard has similar task, those soundcards have different ways and tools to convert those data into signal. Basically the same.Map the wavetable. use the DAC. etc :D Its the APU is changed.

and while onboard depends on CPU and RAM to process those, an add-on soundcard has its own processor and ram to do that.
He pointed out CA 20k1 APU in Creative X-Fi and Auzen X-Fi Prelude.The APU is like a first came Intel P IV CPU.Handles more than that.
CA 20K1 (The Audio Processing Unit in X-Fi)is 10000 MIPS while Intel PIV 3.2 GHZ does only 9750 MIPS. :D

if we're talking about greatness of those CPU and RAM, of course technically a core2duo or core2quad is greater, but please do keep in mind that those processor need to process other tasks than just an audio....
in gaming a CPU and RAM on PC has to manage perform tasks from the game software to produce complicated and stressful calculations and graphics.
while on the other hand, using a dedicated soundcard will release the burden of those tasks from your CPU and RAM and not to mention those add-on soundcard has above normal priority set for doing audio processing.
so by having add-on soundcards, at least there will be no more choppy and screechy or any other distracting/interfering sound:D
OMG.Buddy you would have paid lot bad If i was not in a funny mood.

In every aspect C2D/C2Q is great.
Mainly they were built for other tasks but they do AP as a help.
Graphics will be mainly managed by GPU.
My CPU is on pills now coz of Audio Processing stress coz I listen to audio everytime.:D :D :D Jk ok? I had a great day.(If not this)

Usually on nForce4chipsets/Geforce VGAs X-Fi had probs.Screechy/noisy.And some old PIV HT based CPU had the prob.OCing CPU made it correct.And If the PCI bus is overloaded any Separate sound card will have some hitches too.But I accept that there are less hitches by separate cards.

For your info.
The Cirrus Logic DAC directs the audio decoding to CPU while it is not under load to keep the CA20K1 cooler.It gets really hotter.So virtually when you use a Quad it will be always something Audio in Quad.

now we move on to sound quality.
ever wonder what makes audiophile CD player is so damn expensive(such as Denon CD Player)?
basically a CD player is a DAC (or soundcard itself) becos its task is to read from digital data(CD) and convert it to analog signal through RCA cables (Red and White plug cables)
those expensive CD Player has top notch components such as audio grade capacitors, Operational Amplifiers, and DAC Chip, so there for they produce far superior sound quality compared to other CD/DVD player you can find on the market(toshiba/or any other china brand)

you could test it yourself using the same speaker and you will notice it immediately.

now a soundcard is just the same as those audiophile CD Player minus the CD reader.
it processes those audio task dedicatedly, and using components made solely for that purpose.

this is not a snake oil, if you can demo/hear it for yourself, you should pinpoint the exact difference between generic DAC such as onboard soundcard which depends heavily on PC CPU/RAM with a great dedicated DAC soundcard.
For the audience :D

Speaking of sound quality there are lots of software and hardware things used by different manufacturers.I know like 0.1% of them.Also I do use Wireless headphones and dont have any speakers sh*t is better than audio what I am hearing.So my ears are not the best in audio quality.

The following link is to Creative 24bit crystalyzer.It says it enhances audio,Loads of doubts.Can be sen in chans X-Fi.
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/multimedia/creative-x-fi-part2.html

CMSS 3D
Virtual surround from Creative
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=177&type=expert&pid=6

EAX( <3 )
1,2,3,4,5.Latest is 5.0
http://soundblaster.com/eax/abouteax/

Back to topic
You wont feel advertised as much.
Here is an example.My close friend have a 3500 RS. Logitech earphones which has its jack and cable plated in 18 carat gold.Yes,the gold you wear.To ruduce the static and give you a better quality.He got it for the iPod.(He knows quality.When Using a 400RMS Onkyo Japan AMP and a Bose 4.1 ,quality is maxed out).Now still he uses the ones came with iPod for everything.Rarely use that logitech one too.:P Need I say more?

I'm saying it again,Considering the audio quality with new ones,even if you have Carson Wega,Blaupunkt,Bose,Harmon Kardon,Altec Lansing,Behringer,Infineon,creative,Logitech,JBL,D enon you name it ,It will have small sounds you cant exactly feel and be more sound(Considering X-Fi can produce 172 hardware sound lines).Like 4~5% MORE.(I told ya,I dont feel good in hearing :D).But it is so not great as advertised.Besides when you listen to 128 kBps CD audio,what quality do you expect?You will get the better quality created by the speakers + the more clear voice and more sounds which depends on the speakers too.
But with the addons like almost dieing EAX,CMSS 3D I accept you cant beat a normal onboard.

It is a long post.So boring.Like working for creative.:P
Edit:I sign a peace agreement.One way or two way.Tomorrow is a fight holiday.:D

[zCexVe]

This is about X RAM.I totally forgot it.btarunrs article below is a great one about X-RAM.
Edit: better post the link. :D
http://btarunr-gd.blogspot.com/2007/09/what-2-mib-sdram-bank-on-x-fi-xtreme.html

[zCexVe]

You tell the same thing on and on and on....... , thanks to your copy and paste techniques Shall we stop the fight now , this is not good

and Im sure that chanster wont be greedy to give you the win ! Booruvo,Pennapiya puluvan nam same de???Nikan Keyboard ekai tharahai thivuna paliyata type karanava.
Uba ipadune pokunakada ban?Hama ekatama paninne?Danna magulakuth ne.Copy paste gana kiyavanava.Puluvan nam mage post copy karapu thanak me universe eken hoyagena vara.Konda pana ne yako ubalata :P Enavanan knowledge ekath ekka varen.Copy paste karapuva mama methana eli karanava mage dialup bila neth nam.Mama ubata warning eka dunna nathi eka,CROSS ME , ITS WAR.You looked good yesterday,I thought wrong.That will never happen.Uba dannava nam OC gena,Sound gena varen .Ube yaluvath ekka set vela onnam copy karagena mata kiyavapan.Mata kisi gamak ne.
Mama ubata kivva kelinma mama copy paste karana than.Mama nodanna de,danna de pili gannava.Issellama eka purudu veyan.MAta ubalata vage prasiddiye kunuharpa gahala vedi puruddak ne.Onnam IM add karannam kiyavapan balanna danna deyak gena.

Danaganin uba kochchara kivvath ,mama newsme forum ekata copy->paste karana eka navaththanne ne mata karanna puluvan thak kal.Lagadima beri vevi.Eth ethakan mama vedagath de news and discussion ekata danava.Puluvan nam mata nobena kata hari udavvak vena vedakata post daapan.Aparaade mage post ekai davasai.Kalakanniya :P :P
Edit:mama ban vena nisa meka edit kala.next time balamu:P :P

[chanster]

.Actually many people cant Identify the slight differences off the sound.

Short simple answer im a musician you are a technicle mumbo jumbo.....2 different ppl......As some members said in this forum wut you do is basically copy/paste from the internet.....nothing to do with your knowledge or your taste.....Wait ill get to your other question....

[chanster]

This is about X RAM.I totally forgot it.btarunrs article below is a great one about X-RAM.
Edit: better post the link. :D
http://btarunr-gd.blogspot.com/2007/09/what-2-mib-sdram-bank-on-x-fi-xtreme.html

You expect me to believe some blog review???? Its as good as any C-net review....

Machan r u using a P4 or something?
Hey come on, we live on era of core2duo or core2quad with atleast 1 gig of ram.
The only thing that's holding gaming performance down is your vga card....
and no, it won;t help audio to sound better.... coz x-ram is not hi performance ram, and the fact is every x-fi has ram inside more than enough to process audio........
and no we're not talking on some pentium 4 PC..that might help performance.....
but we're using core2duo now
so please
don't go blabbering about performance
the only significant performance increase you will get is from onboard to x-fi.... not from x-fi to another x-fi with x-ram

that is the last i will discuss about this matter

[kasuncs]

If u r using n-tunes u can do fantastic overclocking

[chanster]

Its really good.You wont feel a change with my OB Creative SB Audigy 2 SE and chans X-FI coz all the sound is same from these SB audigy and X-Fi. Its the APU is different.And performance wise.Dont think that it will gain 5FPS.But 1-2 may be.

As you say Audigy and X-Fi sound the same is it?? Looking at only the specs the X-Fi blows the Audigy in to bits........Dont speak of things which you are not even sure of....Since you know the specs,ill talk about the practical side....

The biggest sole problem with onboard is noise introduced into the audio - not that it's specs are bad. A dedicated sound card helps isolate your audio processing from the rest of the system (by a minimal degree, though it makes a large difference). I'm sure many of you are probably familiar with "mouse noise" - moving the mouse causing the I/O system to make an annoying buzz/chirp in your sound.
The quality of the good X-Fi sound cards is quite apparent over other sound cards and especially integrated audio. You will hear things in games that you never noticed before, and the clarity and quality of the audio is much better. I went from the [once Creative Labs flagship] Audigy 2 ZS Platinum to the X-Fi Platinum , and noticed the difference right away.

Before bashing a product which you don't even have.....Hear and Believe as creative say



OB one you cant see or separated coz its on your mobo.Separate one can is an addon card .you can remove it :P :P :P
ill leave this as it is...There is a saying..."Never argue with an Idiot"

I have nothing to tell :(
Can you explain this.
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/2132/250pxcirruslogiccs4282aux7.jpg
The CS4382 8 channel DAC on X Fi Fatality.(It took for years to get the image toshow.:P)
You can see there is a Cirrus Logic DAC in X-Fi.Well you are the one who wanted to talk about X-Fi.Explain why there is a CA20k1 when DAC is there?

Umbata molayak kiyala namayak nadda? What is CA20k1 What is DAC?

CA20k1=It is a DSP....in other words a processor......
DAC=Digital to analog converter which is used for output.......There also is as a Wolfson WM8775 ADC for input........
There are 2 different things.....You know a lot about vga cards......to get something on to the monitor will only the GPU help? NO...it has to go through a DAC!



He pointed out CA 20k1 APU in Creative X-Fi and Auzen X-Fi Prelude.The APU is like a first came Intel P IV CPU.Handles more than that.
CA 20K1 (The Audio Processing Unit in X-Fi)is 10000 MIPS while Intel PIV 3.2 GHZ does only 9750 MIPS. :D
Yes you maybe correct about the P1V APU part as i do not speak of things which im not sure of...MIPS is only one benchmark. Audio processing is relatively simple and doesn't require path prediction.



In every aspect C2D/C2Q is great.
Mainly they were built for other tasks but they do AP as a help.
Graphics will be mainly managed by GPU.
My CPU is on pills now coz of Audio Processing stress coz I listen to audio everytime.:D :D :D Jk ok? I had a great day.(If not this)

Usually on nForce4chipsets/Geforce VGAs X-Fi had probs.Screechy/noisy.And some old PIV HT based CPU had the prob.OCing CPU made it correct.And If the PCI bus is overloaded any Separate sound card will have some hitches too.But I accept that there are less hitches by separate cards.
Seems that u agree with what i say indirectly......

For your info.
The Cirrus Logic DAC directs the audio decoding to CPU while it is not under load to keep the CA20K1 cooler.It gets really hotter.So virtually when you use a Quad it will be always something Audio in Quad.
On the X-Fi? I doubt it but don't know for sure. First, how hot would a DAC really get? Is it worth saving a few degrees to transport digital data to PCI bus, thought the PCI controller, to main memory, to CPU, convert to analogue, back to main memory, back to bus?



The following link is to Creative 24bit crystalyzer.It says it enhances audio,Loads of doubts.Can be sen in chans X-Fi.
http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/multimedia/creative-x-fi-part2.html

CMSS 3D
Virtual surround from Creative
http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=177&type=expert&pid=6

EAX( <3 )
1,2,3,4,5.Latest is 5.0
http://soundblaster.com/eax/abouteax/

Good Sir...I post according to my experience.. please do not fall for those corporate reviews...please refrain yourself of stating numbers in tests....
this is audio... you cannot measure audio with numbers....

and if you do like to read reviews.... try looking for review that aren't from PC hardware site....
testing audio with PC g33ks is like taking your car to a carpenter for engine repair.

Finally you are not experiencing a true Audigy.......The sound card you have Audigy 2 SE is similar to a Audigy value/SE or Xtreme Audio.......which does not have a hardware DSP as part of the audio chip....It loads the processing on the Hosts CPU....So that kind of audio card is basically a onboard with reduced noise.......If you were talking about a real 2001 Audigy or 2002 Audigy 2 then you will see a significant improvement on sound.......Or you are more than welcome to come to my house and experience X-Fi with my cheapo M5300 speakers......

So please without saying X-Fi is not worth when you don't even own one and the fact that you don't have a proper sound card.......don't give our people the wrong information.......

Click My Siggy........(X-Fi related questions)

[chanster]

Virtually its the same quality but the few things like CPU usage are different considering the OB and separate card.

To your ears maybe.....Im an audiophile......OB sound just cant come close to After market.......
When i was small i had some Rage 3D vga n midtown madness was a very popular game.....It was my first PC so i didnt know anything ...i was just playing and one day i wanted to mess with the graphic options...It was running on "Software rendering" Im not sure but it means rendering through the CPU.....then i switched it to hardware rendering and the result was huge....The quality was a lot better than software rendering......

Using onboard sound is software based...Using dedicated is hardware based.....

So machan just like the GPU will do a better job than the CPU.....The APU also does a better job than the CPU.....Just that Easy to fool the eyes and Hard to fool the ears...

And have to have a decent set of speakers......;)

Wont believe me.....Come to my place and ill show you...Ill play a song with my realtek and my X-Fi........

EDIT=At that time also i had a separate ESS audio card which sounded far better than the onboard........

[fallenzeraphine]

You are better than sasika@Elakiri but buddy I have some little things to show you.No worries.I make mistakes too.I didnt born with these things,I learnt everything by reading a lot and experimenting.
My post is here because weve had longer covos in 4Q 2006 and first half of 2007 with OCing.You might not have seen them.(coz of EK style,I cant point out a thread,all mixed like achcharu :D)

I use a bloody old AMD RIG,you point out the fact that AMD is harder to OC coz HT decides both CPU frequency and mem clock.But remeber Always the higher clock doesnt do the trick.You should have a good memory bandwidth with a good FSB/HT:Memory ratio.If not it will not be useful.Just to submit the best clock to hwbot.org.:P You are saying that putting a 1:3 like ratio on memory and run the CPU at a very high clock.That doesn't play well, aint it?Even though a synthetic benchmark like Sandra shows a little margin,It will clearly show some diff in real world applications.Too heat is a factor here as we all know those cheap value RAMs get heated quickly.Also when some of the heated CPU air is on the RAM it gets more worse.
You dont need a gazillion dollars to buy RAM.My OCZ SLi ready 2x2GB DDR800 4-5-4-12 kit costed 160 USD.Considering it does 800~1200 on 4-5-4-12 Its dirty cheap and I bought them last year.Now its more cheap.DDR2 is like cheap whore.Everywhere.:D

E6600 on air will do more than 4 gig on air @least on my Striker Extreme.I can show you some results with P35s.


This is wrong if its 800 MHz,as Intel is Quad pumped it will be 9x200=1600 MHz
you are telling us about a 1600FSB which will be 400 base and the clock will be 9x400=2600MHz
And just for the record
E6600 stock is 9*266=2400MHz
E6420 stock is 8*266=2130MHz
You can keep the memory around 800 MHz with a mutiplier you have given with the mobo,higher the merrier.
With E2XXX series I totally agree with you.Infact you can mod the CPU to get it as a 1066FSB CPU by default by shorting two notches and it will make it easy.Cache is not sooo much important as ppl say.It will make 1~3 second impact in many cases which in real world usually dont count.
Havent I told the same about onboard VGA?Thats the point.When 95%< ppl use OB VGA how could they OC?I OCed with a 6.5k Asrock conroe 1333 or sumthing with a E4400(10*200)went to like I think 2.4.But memory held it up and had some FSB holes also with OB VGA.So you can see I just have put the 200 to 233 the base clock.The easiest OCs.Like C2Q6600 goes 3gig with 9*333 instead of 9*266.
Nice talking with you.Long time I had a chat like this in EK.The VGA Fanboysm is too much as always and everything ends up either ATi or nVIDIA.:P




well well look whos talking, the facts are:
* Core 2 CPUs are not made to go beyond 3.2 GHZ (over this limit it will reduce the life span of the CPU by electron leaking in transister levels)

* 160 bucks is a lot u can buy a Radeon 3850 with that kinda money (the best card for that money range) and it will make ur games run faster :P

* i was not wrong here : "E 6600 mul 9 OC on a 800MHz = 9x400 = 3.6 GHz (almost the limit of a air cooled Core 2 with a G2 revision G0 go a bit higher)
E 6420 mul 8 OC on a 800MHz = 8x400 (corrected from 333) = ~3.0GHz"

u simply confused the 800MHz (what i meant was the speed of the RAM not the FSB) as the FSB, yes i know its quad pumped, thats why i said 9*400(1600/4 = 400:P 1:1 ratio with the DDR2 ram as u know DDR2 is double pumped means its base freq is 400MHz) and in case u dont know how to multiply 9*400 = 3600 Mathematicaly prooven :P 400
9 *0 = 0
9*0 = 0
9*4 = 36
------------
3600
========
"And just for the record
E6600 stock is 9*266=2400MHz
E6420 stock is 8*266=2130MHz"

and ur point would be what ???
i was not talking about the stock speeds of these CPU's

anyway sorry for the late reply

[fallenzeraphine]

and for the whole sound card thing..yes X-fi has about 15% quality increase over the Audigy and has higher SNR (actualy it is as good as a studio quality recording device) and has about 24 times more processing power than the Audigy (meaning it can process a hell of a lot more audio paths simultaniousely) and it DOES increase gaming performace quite a bit than using a onboard Sound card...and yes you will need a very good audio system hear the difference... i got a Altec Lansing Mx5021 THX and it make a huge difference when i plug the x-fi in (MX5021 is a superb product if u have one u will agree with me)..my recommendation is if u have 100 bucks to spare buy a x-fi (dont buy the x-fi extream Audio it does not have the EMU20K1 core it has the CA0106-WBTLF from Audigy) its worth it...(that is if u already have a great CPU and a Video Card if u dont, spend ur money on them before going for a x-fi)

[chanster]

Yes the MX5021 is awesome.....I saw the thing at unity......They had a display......Btw Xtreme Audio still sounds better than Audigy 2....Dont know about Audigy 4 ....but the tone n the vocals are better on the Xtreme Audio......

[fallenzeraphine]

aww yes u must be right i havent tested one yet but im sure Xtreme Audio have a Audigy 4 DSP so it must sound a wee bit better than a Audigy 2....

[Anusha]

well well look whos talking, the facts are:
* Core 2 CPUs are not made to go beyond 3.2 GHZ (over this limit it will reduce the life span of the CPU by electron leaking in transister levels)

* 160 bucks is a lot u can buy a Radeon 3850 with that kinda money (the best card for that money range) and it will make ur games run faster :P

* i was not wrong here : "E 6600 mul 9 OC on a 800MHz = 9x400 = 3.6 GHz (almost the limit of a air cooled Core 2 with a G2 revision G0 go a bit higher)
E 6420 mul 8 OC on a 800MHz = 8x400 (corrected from 333) = ~3.0GHz"

u simply confused the 800MHz (what i meant was the speed of the RAM not the FSB) as the FSB, yes i know its quad pumped, thats why i said 9*400(1600/4 = 400:P 1:1 ratio with the DDR2 ram as u know DDR2 is double pumped means its base freq is 400MHz) and in case u dont know how to multiply 9*400 = 3600 Mathematicaly prooven :P 400
9 *0 = 0
9*0 = 0
9*4 = 36
------------
3600
========
"And just for the record
E6600 stock is 9*266=2400MHz
E6420 stock is 8*266=2130MHz"

and ur point would be what ???
i was not talking about the stock speeds of these CPU's

anyway sorry for the late reply
AFAIK, higher clock speed doesn't lower the life span of a CPU because of electron leaking. It does, however, lower the lifespan because higher the clock speed, higher the heat generation, and higher the operating temperature if all the other factors are kept constant. HIGHER THE OPERATING TEMPERATURE, LOWER THE LIFE SPAN. That's the rule.

Transistor leak will occur at higher "voltages" and higher "tempreatures", but this is not the biggest problem these days. "Electron migration" is a bigger deal, because it might happen at as low as 1.4V on a 45nm CPU. You should never go over 1.5V with a 65nm CPU, regardless of whether you are using a phase change or peltier cooling setups and are running at lower than 0C. Electron migration is the phenomena of bursting the interconnects when a denser flow of electrons flow through the "wires".

[shiwankaswe]

may be blast you cpu

[gayannr]

may be blast you cpu
blast :rofl::rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Anusha]

may be blast you cpu
You are so intelligent! Want to be my friend? :rolleyes:

[fallenzeraphine]

you are correct anusha but Higher frequency means high temps and high voltage...thus reducing the life of the CPU...and im sure u know that there is a technical limit to a CPU frequency that does not violate the stability,life span, thermal yeild standards...even if u maintain the temp there are other factors that will reduce the life of a CPU if it goes beyond the frequency that it was designed to run at

[max123]

nice info

[nEoN_wHitE]

:rofl: Nice thread... Nice thread to realise the true smart asses :lol:
monawa unath asses thamai :lol::P
dnt u wanna join:P

[Anusha]

you are correct anusha but Higher frequency means high temps and high voltage...thus reducing the life of the CPU...and im sure u know that there is a technical limit to a CPU frequency that does not violate the stability,life span, thermal yeild standards...even if u maintain the temp there are other factors that will reduce the life of a CPU if it goes beyond the frequency that it was designed to run at
There is a limit to the clock speed, and it is dependant on the following factors.

1. Temperature = Higher the temperature, more the transistor leak is, and the correct clock levels (high and low) cannot to be achieved.

2. Voltage = There is a defined voltage level for high/low values of a clock. For example, 5V for high and 0V low maybe theoretical, but actually the circuits identify high as 3.3V+ and low as 1.5V-. (These maybe not be the values used in a CPU) And There is something called a rise time, as in the clocks do not rise really sharply...They increase kinda exponentially (like a charging capacitor), not as a brick wall. So if the high/low values cannot be reached within the half cycle, things go haywire. This is the worst case, you always have to keep a safety zone so that it never happens. And also the clock shown on the pic is exxagerated to make you folks understand it.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w224/anushand/Untitled-11.jpg

3. Process tech: 65nm or 45nm etc. I'm not entirely sure how this works though. Probably has something to do with tunneling (as in quantum physics; 25nm tech is supposed to give phenomenal yields...as I read somewhere) This is also the major factor in making higher clocked CPUs without endangering the components within the CPU.

[fallenzeraphine]

There is a limit to the clock speed, and it is dependant on the following factors.

1. Temperature = Higher the temperature, more the transistor leak is, and the correct clock levels (high and low) cannot to be achieved.

2. Voltage = There is a defined voltage level for high/low values of a clock. For example, 5V for high and 0V low maybe theoretical, but actually the circuits identify high as 3.3V+ and low as 1.5V-. (These maybe not be the values used in a CPU) And There is something called a rise time, as in the clocks do not rise really sharply...They increase kinda exponentially (like a charging capacitor), not as a brick wall. So if the high/low values cannot be reached within the half cycle, things go haywire. This is the worst case, you always have to keep a safety zone so that it never happens. And also the clock shown on the pic is exxagerated to make you folks understand it.

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w224/anushand/Untitled-11.jpg

3. Process tech: 65nm or 45nm etc. I'm not entirely sure how this works though. Probably has something to do with tunneling (as in quantum physics; 25nm tech is supposed to give phenomenal yields...as I read somewhere) This is also the major factor in making higher clocked CPUs without endangering the components within the CPU.

cool there u go..ohh i have seen this chart before..ur correct...as the fabircation process gets smaller quantum level physics comes in to play, yes its called quantum tunneling.

[Anusha]

cool there u go..ohh i have seen this chart before..ur correct...as the fabircation process gets smaller quantum level physics comes in to play, yes its called quantum tunneling.
Well, I came up with the graph tbh :D

So when applying a higher voltage, the risetime can be lowered (slightly of course)

[chanster]

aww yes u must be right i havent tested one yet but im sure Xtreme Audio have a Audigy 4 DSP so it must sound a wee bit better than a Audigy 2....

Where did you get that info? Audigy 4 and which version of Audigy 4?

EDIT=Xtreme Audio has CA0106 as u mentioned and it is used in Audigy SE, Audigy 2SE,Live 24bit etc...Audigy 4 Uses a different chip(Cant be sure what it is) which has hardware capabilities.....The Pro uses the Same Audigy 2 ZS chip with better DACs actually four CS4398 DACs....

[Sasika@Elakiri]

This is what you are

Booruvo,Pennapiya
Uba ipadune pokunakada ban?
Kalakanniya
Edit:mama ban vena nisa meka edit kala.next time balamu:P :P
disrespect, bt mama umba wage admin lata kelam kiyana ekek neme, mam Kola gemba kiyala kivva kiyalath GT ta pm kalane... :baffled: :baffled:

Booruvo,Pennapiya puluvan nam same de???Nikan Keyboard ekai tharahai thivuna paliyata type karanava.
Mata tharaham naa:dull: :baffled: mama kivve chanster ekka thiyana boru argument eka nawaththanna kiyala, echcharama umba jelada??:rolleyes:



You looked good yesterday,I thought wrong.That will never happen

Uba ipadune pokunakada ban?Hama ekatama paninne?Danna magulakuth ne.


Konda pana ne yako ubalata :P

You are telling that I was good yesterday is bcoz i didn't tell nything to you and thats bcoz you told nothing to me.

I cant just shut up and wait when you try to take other members down,I cannot shut up and wait when you try to bully new members and ppl with low IT knowledge .

konda pana thiyana nisa thamai mehema post daanne

Enavanan knowledge ekath ekka varen
Uba dannava nam OC gena,Sound gena varen .Ube yaluvath ekka set vela onnam copy karagena mata kiyavapan.Mata kisi gamak ne.

Knowledge is accessible easily in this 21st century if you have Internet, You also have learn many bcoz of the net . Yes we do copy paste more often but not to boast the knowledge like you but to give others some knowledge. what you do is copy paste some news and wait till another member post in your thread and start arguing with him, or post some damn showoff thing, quoting a thread starter's post.
(brainy ppl never show off their knowledge or criticize others)

Mama nodanna de,danna de pili gannava

anith ewa katha karanna kalin puluwannam uda kiyala thiyana deta evidence deepan

MAta ubalata vage prasiddiye kunuharpa gahala vedi puruddak ne.Onnam IM add karannam kiyavapan balanna danna deyak gena.
at this point feel so sorry for you, If this is your way alrite Im always ready BTW i dont do chatting.

Danaganin uba kochchara kivvath ,mama newsme forum ekata copy->paste karana eka navaththanne ne mata karanna puluvan thak kal.Lagadima beri vevi.Eth ethakan mama vedagath de news and discussion ekata danava.

Very good, Nawaththanna epa digatama post daanna, api kawuruwath nawaththanna kivveth naa, mamath ek ekata new dawas wala ube threads walin news danagaththa so thanks But api kiyanne pandithayek novi panidithaya wage post daanna epa kiyala



Umbe amana pandithakama umba me post eken pennuwa... :baffled:
Nihathamani weyan:nerd: :nerd:







Booruvo,Pennapiya puluvan nam same de???Nikan Keyboard ekai tharahai thivuna paliyata type karanava.
Uba ipadune pokunakada ban?Hama ekatama paninne?Danna magulakuth ne.Copy paste gana kiyavanava.Puluvan nam mage post copy karapu thanak me universe eken hoyagena vara.Konda pana ne yako ubalata :P Enavanan knowledge ekath ekka varen.Copy paste karapuva mama methana eli karanava mage dialup bila neth nam.Mama ubata warning eka dunna nathi eka,CROSS ME , ITS WAR.You looked good yesterday,I thought wrong.That will never happen.Uba dannava nam OC gena,Sound gena varen .Ube yaluvath ekka set vela onnam copy karagena mata kiyavapan.Mata kisi gamak ne.
Mama ubata kivva kelinma mama copy paste karana than.Mama nodanna de,danna de pili gannava.Issellama eka purudu veyan.MAta ubalata vage prasiddiye kunuharpa gahala vedi puruddak ne.Onnam IM add karannam kiyavapan balanna danna deyak gena.

Danaganin uba kochchara kivvath ,mama newsme forum ekata copy->paste karana eka navaththanne ne mata karanna puluvan thak kal.Lagadima beri vevi.Eth ethakan mama vedagath de news and discussion ekata danava.Puluvan nam mata nobena kata hari udavvak vena vedakata post daapan.Aparaade mage post ekai davasai.Kalakanniya :P :P
Edit:mama ban vena nisa meka edit kala.next time balamu:P :P

[Anusha]

Now now...this is exciting or what? :D

[lahirumam]

Now now...this is exciting or what? :D
Overclocking (Cooking :P) your Tempers.....

[chanster]

I felt a good difference(well I dont know if its my ears are bad)going from AC97 audio to Creative SB audigy SE ,both are onboard.(The creative one is same as SB 2 ZS external)It felt great with EAX,bass boost and lots of things.But Unfortunately I feel like all the SBs are same in quality like.

This was posted by our dear friend zCexVe on TPU forums (http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=52964)...So zCexVe why do you post something like this just to prove me wrong?
Virtually its the same quality but the few things like CPU usage are different considering the OB and separate card.
Now since we have great speeds and OB sound is so great,Actually sound department doesnt need to be a addon.
But with the addons like almost dieing EAX,CMSS 3D I accept you cant beat a normal onboard.

EDIT=If your OB Audigy was so great think of a separate Audigy with real Audigy chip........

[randula01]

Thanx....Info............

[chanster]

Go to THIS (http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/91-ultimate-overclocking-guide.html) ull find the original guide.......but some links are not working.......

[KZRO]

thanx 4 info....

[zCexVe]

Short simple answer im a musician you are a technicle mumbo jumbo.....2 different ppl......As some members said in this forum wut you do is basically copy/paste from the internet.....nothing to do with your knowledge or your taste.....Wait ill get to your other question....
You got served for this.:P
You expect me to believe some blog review???? Its as good as any C-net review....
Unfortunately its much more than a C-net review and I expect you to learn from that.

[zCexVe]

As you say Audigy and X-Fi sound the same is it?? Looking at only the specs the X-Fi blows the Audigy in to bits........Dont speak of things which you are not even sure of....Since you know the specs,ill talk about the practical side....

The biggest sole problem with onboard is noise introduced into the audio - not that it's specs are bad. A dedicated sound card helps isolate your audio processing from the rest of the system (by a minimal degree, though it makes a large difference). I'm sure many of you are probably familiar with "mouse noise" - moving the mouse causing the I/O system to make an annoying buzz/chirp in your sound.
The quality of the good X-Fi sound cards is quite apparent over other sound cards and especially integrated audio. You will hear things in games that you never noticed before, and the clarity and quality of the audio is much better. I went from the [once Creative Labs flagship] Audigy 2 ZS Platinum to the X-Fi Platinum , and noticed the difference right away.

Before bashing a product which you don't even have.....Hear and Believe as creative say
ill leave this as it is...There is a saying..."Never argue with an Idiot"
Yes of course.Specs may blow but not the sound.The noises/hitches were old age with AC97 audio.Mouse noise were too.Do you hear anybody now complain of mouse noise?? NO.OB sound is far greater than 6 years were.And almost beat sound quality of discreet audio.I heard those extra sounds after moving from AC 97.But then all are quite the same.Oh yeah?Hear and believe?I pay for that,bring it home,have the same sound,Can you give my money back,It has same sound?NO we only want to sell.NO returns :P :P :P
And you asked what the diff between OB and discreet.Thats the major difference :P :D

Umbata molayak kiyala namayak nadda? What is CA20k1 What is DAC?

CA20k1=It is a DSP....in other words a processor......
DAC=Digital to analog converter which is used for output.......There also is as a Wolfson WM8775 ADC for input........ Coz I have brain unlike you,I showed this up.DAC and APU are two diff things.You indirectly called them the same.And if you can see I have said in that post what is CA20k1.:P

On the X-Fi? I doubt it but don't know for sure. First, how hot would a DAC really get? Is it worth saving a few degrees to transport digital data to PCI bus, thought the PCI controller, to main memory, to CPU, convert to analogue, back to main memory, back to bus?
Did I say on any other?? :P I said the APU not the DAC.Understand that.Usually my OB audigy chip runs at 35~38C while on load.SO I have fitted an heatsink on it.DAC runs cooler.And please forward your question to Creative.I’m not the one designed it.But in my view it is worth it.You can switch off(literally) the sound card.But not the CPU.So less power consumption.

[zCexVe]

Good Sir...I post according to my experience.. please do not fall for those corporate reviews...please refrain yourself of stating numbers in tests....
this is audio... you cannot measure audio with numbers....

and if you do like to read reviews.... try looking for review that aren't from PC hardware site....
testing audio with PC g33ks is like taking your car to a carpenter for engine repair.

Finally you are not experiencing a true Audigy.......The sound card you have Audigy 2 SE is similar to a Audigy value/SE or Xtreme Audio.......which does not have a hardware DSP as part of the audio chip....It loads the processing on the Hosts CPU....So that kind of audio card is basically a onboard with reduced noise.......If you were talking about a real 2001 Audigy or 2002 Audigy 2 then you will see a significant improvement on sound.......Or you are more than welcome to come to my house and experience X-Fi with my cheapo M5300 speakers......

So please without saying X-Fi is not worth when you don't even own one and the fact that you don't have a proper sound card.......don't give our people the wrong information.......

Click My Siggy........(X-Fi related questions)
They are great reviews ,not just junk.I worked hard to find em.
Sound cards go into PCs.So geeks know what it is like.And we do have amps(Onkyo,Yamaha,Sony and Bose)So I know what sound is like.
And I do have a proper sound card. :D All the things are built into the mobo.If you check a review on MSI K8N Diamond Plus(remember the plus) you will see when playing an audio,its CPU usage is lower than others.You know the reason.

[zCexVe]

EDIT=At that time also i had a separate ESS audio card which sounded far better than the onboard........
Yes at that time.I’m talking about now.I also accept that in the age of AC97,any thing discreet was great.I also have used that thing.Then I switched into SB Live,two versions of em.Then to a C-media then to a C-media which has 6 way and MIDI in(8738 SX,8738 LX) .Then again to Creative an Audigy2.(Had it for like month.Got it coz of a bargain and sold it with 2k profit)Then OB.

[zCexVe]

well well look whos talking, the facts are:
* Core 2 CPUs are not made to go beyond 3.2 GHZ (over this limit it will reduce the life span of the CPU by electron leaking in transister levels)

* 160 bucks is a lot u can buy a Radeon 3850 with that kinda money (the best card for that money range) and it will make ur games run faster file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Viduraje/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif

* i was not wrong here : "E 6600 mul 9 OC on a 800MHz = 9x400 = 3.6 GHz (almost the limit of a air cooled Core 2 with a G2 revision G0 go a bit higher)
E 6420 mul 8 OC on a 800MHz = 8x400 (corrected from 333) = ~3.0GHz"

u simply confused the 800MHz (what i meant was the speed of the RAM not the FSB) as the FSB, yes i know its quad pumped, thats why i said 9*400(1600/4 = 400file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Viduraje/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif 1:1 ratio with the DDR2 ram as u know DDR2 is double pumped means its base freq is 400MHz) and in case u dont know how to multiply 9*400 = 3600 Mathematicaly prooven file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Viduraje/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtmlclip1/01/clip_image001.gif400
9 *0 = 0
9*0 = 0
9*4 = 36
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3600
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"And just for the record
E6600 stock is 9*266=2400MHz
E6420 stock is 8*266=2130MHz"

and ur point would be what ???

i was not talking about the stock speeds of these CPU's

anyway sorry for the late reply

Then there is no point Intel makes the Extreme edition if they cant go beyond 3.2 GHz.Pity :P :P :P
Even with the price cuts b4 the day you posted,HD 3850 came to 169 USD officially.So the cards would be higher than that.
Usually everyone tell the FSB or the Base clock after mentioning the multiplier.You mentioned the RAM clock and blame it on me.Thats wrong dear.The appropriate there is the base clock,so I went according to it.
And I am good at multiplying and if it gets hard I have a calculator.
Last part is English.Just for the record means just mentioning.
I hope now you know why I mentioned DDR1 in the first place.Coz this is an Athlon guide.Usually I am capable of identifying a guide where it goes by having a glance at it.
Adios.

[zCexVe]

and for the whole sound card thing..yes X-fi has about 15% quality increase over the Audigy and has higher SNR (actualy it is as good as a studio quality recording device) and has about 24 times more processing power than the Audigy (meaning it can process a hell of a lot more audio paths simultaniousely) and it DOES increase gaming performace quite a bit than using a onboard Sound card...and yes you will need a very good audio system hear the difference... i got a Altec Lansing Mx5021 THX and it make a huge difference when i plug the x-fi in (MX5021 is a superb product if u have one u will agree with me)..my recommendation is if u have 100 bucks to spare buy a x-fi (dont buy the x-fi extream Audio it does not have the EMU20K1 core it has the CA0106-WBTLF from Audigy) its worth it...(that is if u already have a great CPU and a Video Card if u dont, spend ur money on them before going for a x-fi)
Well if you say there is a 15% increase in sound quality, nothing more to talk about it sir. How do you measure the quality of a sound in percentage??You can say better but not measure it. Doesn’t increase quite a bit. Just a bit of performance. And even though the CA20K1 is not present in the X-fi Extreme audio,It does the mentioned X-Fi things as X-Fi is a standard not a technology thus not requiring the presence of a CA20K1 to do them.And audigy have EMU 10K2/2.5 isnt it? (Cant remember those codes.Hell lot of em.)AL MX-5021 is one of the best in my list.GTRZ have one too.

[zCexVe]

I felt a good difference(well I dont know if its my ears are bad)going from AC97 audio to Creative SB audigy SE ,both are onboard.(The creative one is same as SB 2 ZS external)It felt great with EAX,bass boost and lots of things.But Unfortunately I feel like all the SBs are same in quality like.

This was posted by our dear friend zCexVe on TPU forums (http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=52964)...So zCexVe why do you post something like this just to prove me wrong?
EDIT=If your OB Audigy was so great think of a separate Audigy with real Audigy chip........
You can see the post time and date if you are not blind of course. :P It was before we started this.You act like a baby.:P Almost all at TPU have proved you wrong too as I see.:P And I don’t havr to prove you are wrong as you are already. :D
Why? I listened to music from SB Audigy 2 ZS.With the same Audigy chip.Both fel the same.Don’t own them don’t mean I haven’t listened from them.

[zCexVe]

Go to THIS (http://www.overclock.net/amd-general/91-ultimate-overclocking-guide.html) ull find the original guide.......but some links are not working.......
Ahhhh,now comes out the hidden things :P :P :P .Remember silent people are not always dumb or deaf.

[chanster]

Yes of course.Specs may blow but not the sound.The noises/hitches were old age with AC97 audio.Mouse noise were too.Do you hear anybody now complain of mouse noise?? NO.OB sound is far greater than 6 years were.And almost beat sound quality of discreet audio.I heard those extra sounds after moving from AC 97.But then all are quite the same.Oh yeah?Hear and believe?I pay for that,bring it home,have the same sound,Can you give my money back,It has same sound?NO we only want to sell.NO returns :P :P :P
And you asked what the diff between OB and discreet.Thats the major difference :P :D
Dont think everyones ears are the same.....Then my ears must be more sensitive than yours......If you look at the "make your music listening experience better" thread ull find that people like Sri Lion couldn't notice a difference.....But people like Anusha could notice the difference.......

Just because you don't hear a difference it doesn't meant that OB and After market are the same.....For some people both OB and addon are the same but for some Addon is much better than OB!.......

[cruthrones]

thnx 4 da dose infooo.........

[tharuksha123]

ela...

[Anusha]

Dont think everyones ears are the same.....Then my ears must be more sensitive than yours......If you look at the "make your music listening experience better" thread ull find that people like Sri Lion couldn't notice a difference.....But people like Anusha could notice the difference.......

Just because you don't hear a difference it doesn't meant that OB and After market are the same.....For some people both OB and addon are the same but for some Addon is much better than OB!.......
Oops. I was wrong. I now can't find a difference. Read my recent post there and you will understand.

[chanster]

Ok but there were ppl who could see a difference........

[Anusha]

Ok but there were ppl who could see a difference........
I'm just glad I didn't, because it would have made things too complex for me :D :lol:

[Sasika@Elakiri]

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