Interesting interview by Ralipanawe Pannyasiri Himi about muslims...

[just]

This is an interview by Ralipanawe Pannyasiri Himi about muslims, its very interesting and some comments seems new here.check it..

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[TΞΞNSTAR™]

Well Hope Sinhala People will Stop Blaming Us i mean Msulims 4 eating Meat....

Read This Carefully And Think Thrice...

then Reply...........

[sriflipflop]

good conversation and given answers to most frequently asking questions and thing people get wrong meaning

[sriflipflop]

Well Hope Sinhala People will Stop Blaming Us i mean Msulims 4 eating Meat....

Read This Carefully And Think Thrice...

then Reply...........

who blame they the them have to get blame first

[TΞΞNSTAR™]

who blame they the them have to get blame first

Sorry .. I ddnt understand ur quote ......

tikak explain karala kiwwoth ela machnz...

[sriflipflop]

Sorry .. I ddnt understand ur quote ......

tikak explain karala kiwwoth ela machnz...

i mean people blame musliams for eating meat then they have to first think about it

[Muzain]

mmm Intresting And As a Muslim im Agreed With THis

I have This Conflict With My Pals But THey Eat meat so No Wory.......Thnks for the upload

[trevyy]

great post machn .......

aththatama matath podigataluwak thibuna budist aya mas kanne nathi gana ...

i gess this post gives me all the answers..

thanx again..

[tharinda07]

:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

[sri_lion]

Well Hope Sinhala People will Stop Blaming Us i mean Msulims 4 eating Meat....

Read This Carefully And Think Thrice...

then Reply...........


I don't think Sinhalese people are blaming Muslims for eating meat, Sinhalese eat meat too so how can they only blame Muslims? :rolleyes:

Although what the hamuduruwo said about beef is correct! Not only from a religious point of view..just forget the religious point of view for a moment I think if you look into Sinhalese culture we are where we are today because of COW.. last time I checked Sri Lanka was the 13th country in the world when it comes to consuming rice! For a country as small as this..... this is huge! and indeed it show how much our country dependent on rice from ancient times, we Sri Lankans even exported rice those days :lol:

So in the humble beginnings of Sri Lanka COW was the centric point if there were no COWS there's no rice, we milked them, we used them as transport, even their excrements were used as fertilizers... the new technology now changed everything and the animal once was too precious too be eaten soon became meat in Sri Lanka!

I think its something personal... depends on individual... if any animal in the history of Sri Lanka helped Sri Lanka to grow its the COW.. if you can respect that and spare the Animal then that's the simplest of ways we as Sri Lankans can pay our tribute to this once precious Animal! You don't need religion to figure that out!

[hashu]

how to listen or download it.. jus give me the link

[ereshthush]

gr8 post :yes:

[rapa]

"balan kadathura hera deese" ;)

[fazaal24]

I don't think Sinhalese people are blaming Muslims for eating meat, Sinhalese eat meat too so how can they only blame Muslims? :rolleyes:



1st of all i would like to thank "JUST" for sharing this..!A fair interview indeed...:yes::D

And i hope all misunderstandings are corrected now...!!

Macho Sri_Lion...as a muslim i have got insulted so many times bcus of these issues..In school there was a monk who used to teach us Sinhala for OL..!And he was so damn against Muslims..and he used to insult us so many times using these issues and many other of our beliefs...and all the other students used to laugh at us(u'll understand if u feel it) i was really pissed abt this and i wanted to even complain abt this...and i culdnt do it coz again it would be blamed not us but the Muslims again..!!

And once again i want to tell...Okkomala eka wage nehe...I respect every religion(jus becuz of one...it doesnt mean that the whole religion is the same)

There was a thread few months back against us..sayin that we r selfish bla bla...jus bcuz of one or two...the whole religion is blamed....

...and i never go against any religion.,,and i really hate to talk abt these topics coz so many misunderstandings...!

Finally want to tell...No one has the right to criticize any religion..Its just their personal beleif..!;)

(hey sri lion machan...all of this is nt for u..i just wanted to post it..so just answerd ur Q and posted ma comment in the same post k..:D)

Again a Big Thanks to "JUST" for this..!!:yes:

[abbish]

great article, habai unwahansege answers wala conflict ekak thiyanawa unwanse samahara thenaka kiyanawa budunwahanse satththu maranna epa kiwwe ne kiyla samahara thenake kiyanawa saththu maranna epa kiwwa kiyala. Anyway unwahanse bohoma practically review karala thiyanawa.

kata hari meat kanna onenam ekata nidahasata karana hoyaganna puluwan eth mage personal view ekanam api kisimakenekuta aithiyak ne thawa kekekge jeewithayak nethi karanna even an animal. Minissu kiyanne saththunta wediya divnu kottashayak hithanna molayak thiyanawa ai thawa kenekuge mas kanne.Gawaya kiyanne samahara minissunta thamange amma wage watina wasthuwak e nisa we have to think not twice many times.

Bududahama kiyanne loke thiyana prayogikama darmaya.Eka nithi dala bedala thiyana agamak nemai mokada bududahama kiyanne darshnayak.If you think in depth you can understand the value of being real Buddhist person.
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[Sparxrc]

1st of all i would like to thank "JUST" for sharing this..!A fair interview indeed...:yes::D

And i hope all misunderstandings are corrected now...!!

Macho Sri_Lion...as a muslim i have got insulted so many times bcus of these issues..In school there was a monk who used to teach us Sinhala for OL..!And he was so damn against Muslims..and he used to insult us so many times using these issues and many other of our beliefs...and all the other students used to laugh at us(u'll understand if u feel it) i was really pissed abt this and i wanted to even complain abt this...and i culdnt do it coz again it would be blamed not us but the Muslims again..!!

And once again i want to tell...Okkomala eka wage nehe...I respect every religion(jus becuz of one...it doesnt mean that the whole religion is the same)

There was a thread few months back against us..sayin that we r selfish bla bla...jus bcuz of one or two...the whole religion is blamed....

...and i never go against any religion.,,and i really hate to talk abt these topics coz so many misunderstandings...!

Finally want to tell...No one has the right to criticize any religion..Its just their personal beleif..!;)

(hey sri lion machan...all of this is nt for u..i just wanted to post it..so just answerd ur Q and posted ma comment in the same post k..:D)

Again a Big Thanks to "JUST" for this..!!:yes:



api dannawane macho umbala api hitapu widiha:yes::yes::yes:

ape set eke hema religion ekema students la hitiya :yes::yes::yes:

eth api kawadawath wali daagaththe na ;););)

about da O/L sinhala 101% correct :(:(:(

daapan macho 5k:yes::yes::yes:

[fazaal24]

api dannawane macho umbala api hitapu widiha:yes::yes::yes:

ape set eke hema religion ekema students la hitiya :yes::yes::yes:

eth api kawadawath wali daagaththe na ;););)

about da O/L sinhala 101% correct :(:(:(


Ah here's ma OL class mate...He knows these stuff..!;)

Eekane kiyanne...kawada hari aagama adala thiyanawa oya hitapu awrdu 6 athule...:D

Dannawa neda macho.ara kiyana katha..mama kawada hari umbalata ooka gena kiwwada...(full upset wechcha dawasaka kiwwada manda..eth danna tharamin kiyala nehe)

Onna 5k..!!!:D

[ratedrkoman]

1st of all i would like to thank "JUST" for sharing this..!A fair interview indeed...:yes::D

And i hope all misunderstandings are corrected now...!!

Macho Sri_Lion...as a muslim i have got insulted so many times bcus of these issues..In school there was a monk who used to teach us Sinhala for OL..!And he was so damn against Muslims..and he used to insult us so many times using these issues and many other of our beliefs...and all the other students used to laugh at us(u'll understand if u feel it) i was really pissed abt this and i wanted to even complain abt this...and i culdnt do it coz again it would be blamed not us but the Muslims again..!!

And once again i want to tell...Okkomala eka wage nehe...I respect every religion(jus becuz of one...it doesnt mean that the whole religion is the same)

There was a thread few months back against us..sayin that we r selfish bla bla...jus bcuz of one or two...the whole religion is blamed....

...and i never go against any religion.,,and i really hate to talk abt these topics coz so many misunderstandings...!

Finally want to tell...No one has the right to criticize any religion..Its just their personal beleif..!;)

(hey sri lion machan...all of this is nt for u..i just wanted to post it..so just answerd ur Q and posted ma comment in the same post k..:D)

Again a Big Thanks to "JUST" for this..!!:yes:
same thing happen to me mate at school
n i was the only muslim student in that class :( n yeah it was O/L time :(

and i know everyone doesn't insult only a few people ..................
:(

i think it's time to practically Respect each others religions !

[anarkalee]

mmmmmmmmmmm aththa

[dsameer]

I don't think Sinhalese people are blaming Muslims for eating meat, Sinhalese eat meat too so how can they only blame Muslims? :rolleyes:

Although what the hamuduruwo said about beef is correct! Not only from a religious point of view..just forget the religious point of view for a moment I think if you look into Sinhalese culture we are where we are today because of COW.. last time I checked Sri Lanka was the 13th country in the world when it comes to consuming rice! For a country as small as this..... this is huge! and indeed it show how much our country dependent on rice from ancient times, we Sri Lankans even exported rice those days :lol:

So in the humble beginnings of Sri Lanka COW was the centric point if there were no COWS there's no rice, we milked them, we used them as transport, even their excrements were used as fertilizers... the new technology now changed everything and the animal once was too precious too be eaten soon became meat in Sri Lanka!

I think its something personal... depends on individual... if any animal in the history of Sri Lanka helped Sri Lanka to grow its the COW.. if you can respect that and spare the Animal then that's the simplest of ways we as Sri Lankans can pay our tribute to this once precious Animal! You don't need religion to figure that out!

this is great thinking brother. But who ever interview the hamuduruwo is a bloody idiot. Me Gon prashna ahapu Gonage Gon mole Goma tika diyawela Mole pedewa kiyala prarthana karanawa.
Adure sita Aduratama yanna hadana ayata thiyena prashna gena dnt wry. Meet kanna ona ayata kanna puluwan Dewiyo adahana ayata adahanna puluwan sametime NIVAN dakinna ona ayata budu wadana pilipadinna puluwan, me wage moda dewal gena prashana karana eka boru wedak

[rapa]

this is great thinking brother. But who ever interview the hamuduruwo is a bloody idiot. Me Gon prashna ahapu Gonage Gon mole Goma tika diyawela Mole pedewa kiyala prarthana karanawa.
Adure sita Aduratama yanna hadana ayata thiyena prashna gena dnt wry. Meet kanna ona ayata kanna puluwan Dewiyo adahana ayata adahanna puluwan sametime NIVAN dakinna ona ayata budu wadana pilipadinna puluwan, me wage moda dewal gena prashana karana eka boru wedak
matath meedawas wala seehenna articles enawa mewage interview dala
eokoma ahanne budu dahama anuwa egollane agama sudda kara ganna :P

[hashu]

machanla.... samawenna ona udella danawata. oya kiyana eka mata witharak download karaganna beri ei macho... kiyannako oka ahahna widiya... apitath dennako chance ekak oka ahahnna. udaw karanna download karaganna pls....

[rapa]

machanla.... samawenna ona udella danawata. oya kiyana eka mata witharak download karaganna beri ei macho... kiyannako oka ahahna widiya... apitath dennako chance ekak oka ahahnna. udaw karanna download karaganna pls....
ahanna nemai machan thiyene balanna
oya ime ekaka thiyenne penne nedda obata

[Sparxrc]

same thing happen to me mate at school
n i was the only muslim student in that class :( n yeah it was O/L time :(

and i know everyone doesn't insult only a few people ..................
:(

i think it's time to practically Respect each others religions !

dont take it seriously ................... V respect u guyz:yes::yes::yes:

[Wal Bada]

Finally want to tell...No one has the right to criticize any religion..Its just their personal beleif..!We critizise evey damn thing in the human world. Why not religion?

[Wal Bada]

great article, habai unwahansege answers wala conflict ekak thiyanawa unwanse samahara thenaka kiyanawa budunwahanse satththu maranna epa kiwwe ne kiyla samahara thenake kiyanawa saththu maranna epa kiwwa kiyala. Anyway unwahanse bohoma practically review karala thiyanawaBuddha [reaced not to kill animals, because it will hinder your chances in attaining Nirvavana. But he did not made laws like "You should not kill animals, otherwise you'll be hanged". He just preaced, if you kill, you'll add sins, that will lengthen your voyage in sansaara.

[phantomzone]

hama aagamakma gaburin balanna ona...eka hariyata nikan trasure ekaka map ekak read karanawa wage wedak...
nathnam itin hama aagamakma fairy tale ekak wage thama... ( i mean all)..
eeth samahara gonnu samahara dewal dihal udin balala e gana mooda comments denawa..

conclusion:
every religion tels da same if u analyse it deeply..:yes: :yes:

[fazaal24]

We critizise evey damn thing in the human world. Why not religion?
i dnt think so..

...I duno why u ppl dnt understand..!

Religion is something in what some1 beleives...I dnt know abt ppl who dnt beleive in a religion..!Its a personal Beleif..why criticize it...:eek:I beleive in something and u beleive in something..!!So What..!

[Wal Bada]

conclusion:
every religion tels da same if u analyse it deeply..:yes: :yes:
Itigediya thama.

Religions are divided among two main systems.

Thestic religions believe in one supreme agency that can bring liberation to one's soul (Ex. Cathoic/Christian religion, Judaism, Islam)

Athestic religions deny existance of such a agency (Buddhism, Jainism, athism)

Agnostics beleive in one supreme agency, but they don't know how to prove it.

non-Agnostics either beleive firmly there is a God, or firmly rejects it.

Please educate your self before these comments.

[phantomzone]

i dnt think so..

...I duno why u ppl dnt understand..!

Religion is something in what some1 beleives...I dnt know abt ppl who dnt beleive in a religion..!Its a personal Beleif..why criticize it...:eek:I beleive in something and u beleive in something..!!So What..!

malli hama kenaama thamaage religion eka dihaa thaarkika widihata balanna ona...should debate...then only u wil find da real religion hidden inside da same religion... mathupitin penena ahena kisima deyak ohee gannan waale ganna epa malli... oyaa hodata gaburin oyaage religion eka dihaa baluwoth oyaata eke real meanin eka hoyaa ganna puluwan wei...:yes: :yes: :yes:...
as i posted ealier eka malli hariyata trasure map ekak read karanawa wage wedak..:yes: :yes: :yes:

[Wal Bada]

i dnt think so..

...I duno why u ppl dnt understand..!

Religion is something in what some1 beleives...I dnt know abt ppl who dnt beleive in a religion..!Its a personal Beleif..why criticize it...:eek:I beleive in something and u beleive in something..!!So What..!I do think so. Every one is part of this society. Every ones gender, habits, religion or what ever charchteristic plays a part in forming the socirty. We can critizise what ever socitety is consisted of. Because I am a pert of that too.

But note critizism and insulting are two different things. Criticism is done on a constructive way, while insulting harms.

[phantomzone]

Itigediya thama.

Religions are divided among two main systems.

Thestic religions believe in one supreme agency that can bring liberation to one's soul (Ex. Cathoic/Christian religion, Judaism, Islam)

Athestic religions deny existance of such a agency (Buddhism, Jainism, athism)

Agnostics beleive in one supreme agency, but they don't know how to prove it.

non-Agnostics either beleive firmly there is a God, or firmly rejects it.

Please educate your self before these comments.

LMFAO :lol: :lol: :lol::lol: :lol:

[phantomzone]

I do think so. Every one is part of this society. Every ones gender, habits, religion or what ever charchteristic plays a part in forming the socirty. We can critizise what ever socitety is consisted of. Because I am a pert of that too.

But note critizism and insulting are two different things. Criticism is done on a constructive way, while insulting harms.

machan hitapan ubata pitakotuwata yanna ona kiyala...ubata route #100 eke yanna puluwan, # 101 yanna puluwan , #173 etc yanna puluwan.... habai uba moke giyath anthimata yanne pettah walatai....
machan religions kiyanneth hariyata pettah walata yanna puluwan buses wage thama..moken giyath anthimata yanne ekama thanakatai...

[Wal Bada]

keep Laughing your Fat Ass Off, and read this as well.


agnosticism

Agnosticism is the position of believing that knowledge of the existence or non-existence of God is impossible. It is often put forth as a middle ground between theism and atheism. Understood this way, agnosticism is skepticism regarding all things theological. The agnostic holds that human knowledge is limited to the natural world, that the mind is incapable of knowledge of the supernatural. Understood this way, an agnostic could also be a theist or an atheist. The former is called a fideist, one who believes in God purely on faith. The latter is sometimes accused by theists of having faith in the non-existence of God, but the accusation is absurd and the expression meaningless. The agnostic atheist simply finds no compelling reason to believe in God.

The term 'agnostic' was created by T. H. Huxley (1825-1895), who took his cue from David Hume and Immanuel Kant. Huxley says that he invented the term to describe what he thought made him unique among his fellow thinkers:

Read more >>> (http://skepdic.com/agnosticism.html)

What is atheism?"

Atheism is characterized by an absence of belief in the existence of gods. This absence of belief generally comes about either through deliberate choice, or from an inherent inability to believe religious teachings which seem literally incredible. It is not a lack of belief born out of simple ignorance of religious teachings.

Some atheists go beyond a mere absence of belief in gods: they actively believe that particular gods, or all gods, do not exist. Just lacking belief in Gods is often referred to as the "weak atheist" position; whereas believing that gods do not (or cannot) exist is known as "strong atheism."

Read more>> (http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mathew/intro.html)

Now start to rub your fat ass on the floor.

[sri_lion]

1st of all i would like to thank "JUST" for sharing this..!A fair interview indeed...:yes::D

And i hope all misunderstandings are corrected now...!!

Macho Sri_Lion...as a muslim i have got insulted so many times bcus of these issues..In school there was a monk who used to teach us Sinhala for OL..!And he was so damn against Muslims..and he used to insult us so many times using these issues and many other of our beliefs...and all the other students used to laugh at us(u'll understand if u feel it) i was really pissed abt this and i wanted to even complain abt this...and i culdnt do it coz again it would be blamed not us but the Muslims again..!!

And once again i want to tell...Okkomala eka wage nehe...I respect every religion(jus becuz of one...it doesnt mean that the whole religion is the same)

There was a thread few months back against us..sayin that we r selfish bla bla...jus bcuz of one or two...the whole religion is blamed....

...and i never go against any religion.,,and i really hate to talk abt these topics coz so many misunderstandings...!

Finally want to tell...No one has the right to criticize any religion..Its just their personal beleif..!;)

(hey sri lion machan...all of this is nt for u..i just wanted to post it..so just answerd ur Q and posted ma comment in the same post k..:D)

Again a Big Thanks to "JUST" for this..!!:yes:

Machang.. I'm gonna tell you only one thing.. If a monk treats you differently because you are a Muslim, then he cannot be a Buddhist Monk!

Because there's nowhere in Buddhism that Lord Buddha have asked monks to treat non-Buddhists any different than Buddhists, so it is very simple...because if what you say is true and if there are monks whom treat people with different religions with different attitudes then that monk is not a Buddhist monk and its not Buddhism he follows either!

And I must say! Buddhists expects this from other religions too!

END OF THE STORY!

[TΞΞNSTAR™]

I don't think Sinhalese people are blaming Muslims for eating meat, Sinhalese eat meat too so how can they only blame Muslims? :rolleyes:

A

Im nt trying to point all in this regard.. just quoting for those who look at as extermists or non hearted people... so my msg waz 4 those who treat us as extremists.....:yes::yes::yes::yes:

[Wal Bada]

machan hitapan ubata pitakotuwata yanna ona kiyala...ubata route #100 eke yanna puluwan, # 101 yanna puluwan , #173 etc yanna puluwan.... habai uba moke giyath anthimata yanne pettah walatai....
machan religions kiyanneth hariyata pettah walata yanna puluwan buses wage thama..moken giyath anthimata yanne ekama thanakatai...
Maara idea eka. Umba kohomada kiyanne hama religion ekenma yanne ekama thanata kiyala?

Islam & Christianity - unifcation with the God
Hinduism - Unification with Brahma, but Brahman is not a mighty power as the god
Buddhism & Jainism - ending of the long voyage of suffering (methods are different, but more logical in Buddhism) by attaining nirvana

Dan oya hama ekenma eka thanakata yana hati kiyamu balanna?

[fazaal24]

I do think so. Every one is part of this society. Every ones gender, habits, religion or what ever charchteristic plays a part in forming the socirty. We can critizise what ever socitety is consisted of. Because I am a pert of that too.

But note critizism and insulting are two different things. Criticism is done on a constructive way, while insulting harms.

Critizising is the same thing like insulting..Its nt done in the proper way!
Its like Talking about the negative points...People are more used to talk abt the negative points in each and every thing..Specially when looking at another ones religion..Thats equal to Insulting and that as u said HURTS very badly..!

Note: There is something Called Constuctive Critizing too..!But it shuold be done in a proper manner..!People straight away attack without thinking from other angles..!As Sri Lion said first make your own mistakes then talk abt others faults...Hehe..oowata ganna godak examples thiayawna machan...but i dnt want to say it here..!;)

[phantomzone]

Machang.. I'm gonna tell you only one thing.. If a monk treats you differently because you are a Muslim, then he cannot be a Buddhist Monk!

Because there's nowhere in Buddhism that Lord Buddha have asked monks to treat non-Buddhists any different than Buddhists, so it is very simple...because if what you say is true and if there are monks whom treat people with different religions with different attitudes then that monk is not a Buddhist monk and its not Buddhism he follows either!

And I must say! Buddhists expects this from other religions too!

END OF THE STORY!

machan very true very true.....:yes: :yes: :yes:

[fazaal24]

Machang.. I'm gonna tell you only one thing.. If a monk treats you differently because you are a Muslim, then he cannot be a Buddhist Monk!

Because there's nowhere in Buddhism that Lord Buddha have asked monks to treat non-Buddhists any different than Buddhists, so it is very simple...because if what you say is true and if there are monks whom treat people with different religions with different attitudes then that monk is not a Buddhist monk and its not Buddhism he follows either!

And I must say! Buddhists expects this from other religions too!

END OF THE STORY!

Ya Ya i know bro..!!Theres one or two in the whole society...So it goes not by the individuals names...Its mainly the religion accused(Specially in SL)..!!:yes:If one fella do something wrong then the whole religion is looked with the same feeling..!!(No all but the majority have this feeling)

Yup Exactly..!!Whatever u do..!!You have to Respect Other religions ryt..Cheers..!!

:::END::::;)

[phantomzone]

Maara idea eka. Umba kohomada kiyanne hama religion ekenma yanne ekama thanata kiyala?

Islam & Christianity - unifcation with the God
Hinduism - Unification with Brahma, but Brahman is not a mighty power as the god
Buddhism & Jainism - ending of the long voyage of suffering (methods are different, but more logical in Buddhism) by attaining nirvana

Dan oya hama ekenma eka thanakata yana hati kiyamu balanna?

machan eka dawasak bamunek budu haamuduruwangen ahuwa budu haamuduruwane dan thiyana aaagam walin mokakda usasma dahama kiyala..ethakota budu haamuduruwo e bamunata kiwwa dara jaathi 5k aragena gini godawal 5k gahanna kiwwa.... eeta passe kiwwa dan balanna dara jaathi 5 wenas wunaaata ewayin nikmenne ekama gindara neda kiyala....

i hope u can understand this machan :cool: :cool::cool: :cool:

[Wal Bada]

Critizising is the same thing like insulting..Its nt done in the proper way!
Its like Talking about the negative points...People are more used to talk abt the negative points in each and every thing..Specially when looking at another ones religion..Thats equal to Insulting and that as u said HURTS very badly..!I don't think so. Criticism is always doen about negative things. The positive things are appriciated. There may be things that should be changed. Resistance to that change is the main reason for problems. I'll give you a good example from my field.

Muslims usually grow there beard, as a religious practice (cannot remember the name of the practice). It's OK in everywhere, except you are inside an operation theatre. Muslim surgeons enter the theatre with their long beards full of germs, and that cannot be covered with the face mask. Now OT has to be a sterile environment. What is more important? stiking to the Doctor's religious belief, or stickng to the well being of that patient?

Now what will happen if a Muslim surgeon is thrown out of the theartre due to that reason? There will be a huge up roar. What will happen if catholic surgeon trown out for the same reason? Nothing.

Constructive critisicm should be aimed like this. There are many examples I can point out, but this will throw good light at my point.

[emndb]

thanx

[Wal Bada]

machan eka dawasak bamunek budu haamuduruwangen ahuwa budu haamuduruwane dan thiyana aaagam walin mokakda usasma dahama kiyala..ethakota budu haamuduruwo e bamunata kiwwa dara jaathi 5k aragena gini godawal 5k gahanna kiwwa.... eeta passe kiwwa dan balanna dara jaathi 5 wenas wunaaata ewayin nikmenne ekama gindara neda kiyala....

i hope u can understand this machan :cool: :cool::cool: :cool:Oka kiyala thiyena thana thripitakayen quote karala pennuwa nam?

menna thripitakayata link ekaka -> Mettanet - Thripitakaya (http://www.mettanet.com/)

[TΞΞNSTAR™]

matath meedawas wala seehenna articles enawa mewage interview dala
eokoma ahanne budu dahama anuwa egollane agama sudda kara ganna :P

well i would like to comment on the above quote you made...

As a muslim we never ever tried to make our selfs correct...

1st point ... The source of the article is PROBODHAYA... a sinhala magazine ..

2nd point ... its written by a sinhala brother...

Machn just try to understand the truth its not fair puting the blame on other people when you are not confident about the statments made....

well the guy who were questioning made some fabulos questiotions to th repected Monk.. and you people saw the answers too.. he is a certified monk i guess... anyway we are not tryning to force you to accept the truuth... we are just telling you to examine the article very well and come up with answers i mean positive answers from the questions made by the guy who wrote this....

T.c Cya...

[ratedrkoman]

dont take it seriously ................... V respect u guyz:yes::yes::yes:

yeah i knw......
most of U guyz do :)

[TΞΞNSTAR™]

I don't think so. Criticism is always doen about negative things. The positive things are appriciated. There may be things that should be changed. Resistance to that change is the main reason for problems. I'll give you a good example from my field.

Muslims usually grow there beard, as a religious practice (cannot remember the name of the practice). It's OK in everywhere, except you are inside an operation theatre. Muslim surgeons enter the theatre with their long beards full of germs, and that cannot be covered with the face mask. Now OT has to be a sterile environment. What is more important? stiking to the Doctor's religious belief, or stickng to the well being of that patient?

Now what will happen if a Muslim surgeon is thrown out of the theartre due to that reason? There will be a huge up roar. What will happen if catholic surgeon trown out for the same reason? Nothing.

Constructive critisicm should be aimed like this. There are many examples I can point out, but this will throw good light at my point.

Well bro .... what i can say is before pointing out a example just think twise...

well thats a good way you tried to approch you point... well i want to clear you out about the beard.. beard is Sunnah which is practised by the holy Prophet and should be followed by each and every brothers in Islam.. well it doesnt in our religion there is no point that says the beard should b grown long ... it can be shortly cut and slight ... well i see your point the examples you took to explain about Islamic pratices is foolish...

Well we are discussing about some act other than this thread..

Well before pointing into others .. the pointer must b correct .. well there are some questions rised by the interviewer... well just try to explain them .. with good examples....

Anyway keep in mind.. we are Srilankans... So just shared what i felt...

T.c

Sorry if my wording have hurt you....

[fazaal24]

I don't think so. Criticism is always doen about negative things. The positive things are appriciated. There may be things that should be changed. Resistance to that change is the main reason for problems. I'll give you a good example from my field.

Muslims usually grow there beard, as a religious practice (cannot remember the name of the practice). It's OK in everywhere, except you are inside an operation theatre. Muslim surgeons enter the theatre with their long beards full of germs, and that cannot be covered with the face mask. Now OT has to be a sterile environment. What is more important? stiking to the Doctor's religious belief, or stickng to the well being of that patient?

Now what will happen if a Muslim surgeon is thrown out of the theartre due to that reason? There will be a huge up roar. What will happen if catholic surgeon trown out for the same reason? Nothing.

Constructive critisicm should be aimed like this. There are many examples I can point out, but this will throw good light at my point.
Hehe...!!!I guess uve nt seen non-muslim surgeons with grown beard:eek::lol:
And what about scientists....Scientists are so busy that they dnt have time to shave...!(most)They have to be clean too:nerd:

And bro, Dont make points before analyzing..Im telling u this bcuz wateva a muslim does, doesnt mean that its something in Islam!:no:......Dont judge muslims..Judge ISLAM and see what it says..!;)

[TΞΞNSTAR™]

[quote=fazaal muslims..Judge ISLAM and see what it says..!;)[/quote]

DATS D WORD DUDE........

HATS OFF 4 U.........

Ela Ela...

[sudheera]

thx

[ahamednishadh]

DIDNT READ DA WHOLE THING BUT READ ONLY DA FIRST FEW QUESTION AND A's.

ACCORDING TO WAT VEN. HAMADUROWO SAYS ITS NO PROBLEM EATING MEAT. BUT ITS JST DAT THESE POLITICIANS HAVE MADE UP THESE STORIES SO THAT THEY CAN ENJOY THEIR LIVES BY MAKING PPL FIGHT!!

[Wal Bada]

Well bro .... what i can say is before pointing out a example just think twise...

well thats a good way you tried to approch you point... well i want to clear you out about the beard.. beard is Sunnah which is practised by the holy Prophet and should be followed by each and every brothers in Islam.. well it doesnt in our religion there is no point that says the beard should b grown long ... it can be shortly cut and slight ... well i see your point the examples you took to explain about Islamic pratices is foolish... Good try, but I can give names of Surgeons that has that long beard. dr. Sanoon, Consultant Surgeon at colombo South Teaching Hospital has one. Just visit the Kattankudy hospital and see Doctors with long beards working there.

Well we are discussing about some act other than this thread..

Well before pointing into others .. the pointer must b correct .. well there are some questions rised by the interviewer... well just try to explain them .. with good examples....

Anyway keep in mind.. we are Srilankans... So just shared what i felt...

T.c

Sorry if my wording have hurt you...[/B].You are talking fantasy. I am talking about what is happening at ground level. Don't try to play around, come out with the reality.

[Lil_SainT]

So in the humble beginnings of Sri Lanka COW was the centric point if there were no COWS there's no rice, we milked them, we used them as transport, even their excrements were used as fertilizers... the new technology now changed everything and the animal once was too precious too be eaten soon became meat in Sri Lanka!

I think its something personal... depends on individual... if any animal in the history of Sri Lanka helped Sri Lanka to grow its the COW.. if you can respect that and spare the Animal then that's the simplest of ways we as Sri Lankans can pay our tribute to this once precious Animal! You don't need religion to figure that out!
:yes: 100% true... everythng comes down to personal choice.... n' tz about values & respect:D

[Wal Bada]

Hehe...!!!I guess uve nt seen non-muslim surgeons with grown beard:eek::lol:Having a short beard that can be covered by the face mask is OK. this is about a six-inch beard that hangs down from the face mask.


And what about scientists....Scientists are so busy that they dnt have time to shave...!(most)They have to be clean too:nerd:This is one of the most moronic comments I ever heard. Surgeons should be clean. Otherwise how can they maintain sterility of the operating theatre? They should trim their beards.:eek:

And bro, Dont make points before analyzing..Im telling u this bcuz wateva a muslim does, doesnt mean that its something in Islam!:no:......Dont judge muslims..Judge ISLAM and see what it says..!;)Tell me frankly, if you see a Muslim doctor with a long beard entering operating theatre (and you are on the operating table, just waiting to receive anasthesia) do you like your surgery to be done by a person with a germ-filled beard? or do you like a clean shaven guy to do it?

[just]

glad it made some good conversations:yes:...cos as a country that already has enough divisions we dont need any more cos of the religions.

if common people knew exactly what religions says leaders or political puppets cannot make divisions among religions.

we all know all religions preach peace then how come they in the front line for seperations:no:.we should educate ourself with what exactly our religion says about situations and things rather than letting leaders lead us blindly making religion a tool.

as i think discriminations of religions, status, cast etc is part of any society especially to minority. but as long as the major part of the majority rejects it, society as a whole has the chance of going towards a good future.:)

[ni_shi2005]

mata ochchara kiyawanna tharam talent ekkak ne!!

[MagmificentROO]

hoda wadak...........

[eram1334]

We critizise evey damn thing in the human world. Why not religion?

before criticizing another religion other religion people should be very perfect in their religion

if all buhudist not eating meet then you can criticized, otherwise you correct your people according to the your religion

[eram1334]

surgery to be done by a person with a germ-filled beard? or do you like a clean shaven guy to do it?


how you conform the germ-filled bead,
normal muslim pray five time so he clean his body five time including beard

doctors take more care about his cleanness than normal muslim

[eram1334]

i hope all misunderstandings are corrected now...!!

as a muslim i have got insulted so many times bcus of these issues..In school there was a monk who used to teach us Sinhala for OL..!And he was so damn against Muslims..and he used to insult us so many times using these issues and many other of our beliefs...and all the other students used to laugh at us(u'll understand if u feel it) i was really pissed abt this and i wanted to even complain abt this...and i culdnt do it coz again it would be blamed not us but the Muslims again..!!

And once again i want to tell...Okkomala eka wage nehe...I respect every religion(jus becuz of one...it doesnt mean that the whole religion is the same)

There was a thread few months back against us..sayin that we r selfish bla bla...jus bcuz of one or two...the whole religion is blamed....

...and i never go against any religion.,,and i really hate to talk abt these topics coz so many misunderstandings...!

Finally want to tell...No one has the right to criticize any religion..Its just their personal beleif..!;)




you r correct, the one and only point some one have

[sri_lion]

how you conform the germ-filled bead,
normal muslim pray five time so he clean his body five time including beard

doctors take more care about his cleanness than normal muslim

Let me speak generally here, but please dont misunderstand me I'm not insulting anyone!

Muslims may clean their bodies 5 times a day.. but none of us dip our whole body in the antiseptic 5 times a day right?

Especially a simple wash at the door step of the mosque is not sufficient for a surgeon! I hope you can understand it.. the point here is the more facial hair you have the more dust particles it retains... can you control it? I don't think so! The more alien particles it gathers the more it becomes dirty this is as simple as that! are you denying it?

A normal human being probably could neglect it, but for a surgeon these things are very important because they are responsible of someone's life! You've got to admit that there is a risk here in this case!

As for a normal Muslim I guess according what they believe its fine!

Also I thought its worth mentioning one of my real life experience... Last time when I was in SL, I took my grandmother for an eye operation she could not see because her eye was covered by the whitish substance (I dont know the real name) anyway next to my grand mother's bed was another old man, probably same age as my grandmother and he is a Sinhalese from Anuradhapura he had beard probably a foot long... and he has come for the same operation..

And on the day that the doctor visited the patients he said to that old man that he MUST shave before the eye operation, and ofcourse he wasn't happy because it is his appearance which is according to him is very important.... and he was wondering what an eye operation got to do with a beard.. and there I am thinking what if this was a Muslim patient...

I know Muslims respect their religion, but there are certain situations in life that the risk is just not worth it.. and for surgeons this applies everyday.. that's the difference!

[Wal Bada]

before criticizing another religion other religion people should be very perfect in their religion

if all buhudist not eating meet then you can criticized, otherwise you correct your people according to the your religionYou cannot critisize the givernment without knowing what is politics, you cannot critisize doctors. because you do not know medicine, you cannot critisize atrist, because you have not perfected it.

What a joke! have a life!

[Wal Bada]

how you conform the germ-filled bead,
normal muslim pray five time so he clean his body five time including beard

doctors take more care about his cleanness than normal muslimYou have become the king numpty of the thread. Do you know what is scrubbing, and why it is done prior to a surgery? Why they wear gloves? can that dirty beard pushed in to a glove, or can it be scrubbed? I am ROFL.

[fanci]

how you conform the germ-filled bead,
normal muslim pray five time so he clean his body five time including beard

doctors take more care about his cleanness than normal muslim

I am not trying to disrespect any ones believing, but fact you point out cannot be ignored

What a lousy example you have provided!!:shocked: :shocked:

Now you are bringing the religion in to this topic, involve with cleanliness at the OT. That is what exactly Walbada was trying to point out.

I have witnessed how those pilgrims clean themselves before entering the mosque for Jumma. And Where they get water to wash there hands.

As a person who lives in 21st century, if you define it as clean, man, I am sorry for you..

[Kalindugayan]

honda ekak wage
passe kiyawala balannan

[Shguts]

great post man.... thx....

[fazaal24]

Having a short beard that can be covered by the face mask is OK. this is about a six-inch beard that hangs down from the face mask.

Good try, but I can give names of Surgeons that has that long beard. dr. Sanoon, Consultant Surgeon at colombo South Teaching Hospital has one. Just visit the Kattankudy hospital and see Doctors with long beards working there.
Hey bro ur just crazy:lol:...the thing is that uve nt witnessed other doctors(non-muslims with Long Beard)...thats bcuz muslims are very highlighted in ur point of view..! U only c the muslims...Ive witnessed so many non muslim doctors...I dnt know their names in person..!My Bad

And Ma Bro..!!Islam never says to grow the beared so long.According to Islam there is a limit and it should be well trimmed and short..!So jus bcuz some ppl grow the beard so long it doesnt mean that its correct...:no:THats y i pointed out that JUDGE ISLAM BEFORE U COMMEN...NOT THE MUSLIMS;)


This is one of the most moronic comments I ever heard. Surgeons should be clean. Otherwise how can they maintain sterility of the operating theatre? They should trim their beards.:eek:
If the Doctor cares abt the patient..He will never be Dirty...That depends on the Doctor...That Depends on the doctor bro...Hey and i go to a dental care every month k...to tight ma Braces...He doesnt even do the scrubbing...No Gloves...Just the Apron...What do u say abt that,,,IT DEPENDS MAN!

Where ever u go...u'll be seeing only muslims...muslims, muslims, muslims...Coz thats what ur searching for..!Even ppl in the other religion does the same things its not taken into consideration...But if it was a muslim...WOAH thats the end of it...This is my experiance bro..!Very Hurt abt those situations.

Tell me frankly, if you see a Muslim doctor with a long beard entering operating theatre (and you are on the operating table, just waiting to receive anasthesia) do you like your surgery to be done by a person with a germ-filled beard? or do you like a clean shaven guy to do it?


Haha..I would say that this is MOST MORONIC COMMENT EVER....
.Again u GO MUSLIM Dr....what if it was a Buddhist/Christian Doctor with grown beard(i mean Long)..why do always highlight muslims bro...!Thats,,,,,no words..!:sorry:
And for the answer...I dnt think the beard will be full of germs...!:no:They are and shuold be clean!

[sakala]

pasuwa kiyawannan machozz

[TΞΞNSTAR™]

Good try, but I can give names of Surgeons that has that long beard. dr. Sanoon, Consultant Surgeon at colombo South Teaching Hospital has one. Just visit the Kattankudy hospital and see Doctors with long beards working there.

You are talking fantasy. I am talking about what is happening at ground level. Don't try to play around, come out with the reality.
I dnt knw what the heck you are trying to say... we are in reality ... you people are not ready to accpt d truth dude.. read twise what the repected monk says ... nd think thrice...

yea i knw Dr.Sanoon.. From Kalubowila i knw him very well dude... just there is no use of pointing the finger to other...

k i can see you are very good at debating... well ill kust ask you the same question which the reporter asked from the respected Monk.....

Srilanka is a typical contry which fullfills the needs of vegetarians as well as for the Non vegetarians....

Well i hope Buddism is a religion which can be followed by all the mankind in the world.. as some people state that its prohibted to eat flesh or meat if they eat meat the cannot get Nivan... if so dont people in countries like Greenland <Greenland today is critically dependent on fishing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing) and fish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish)shrimp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrimp) fishing industry is by far the largest income earner>
so that means the people who live in Greenland wont get Nivan... i mean they cant survive been a vegetarian...

And there are many various point which i can point out to you.. but the interview between the reporter and the repected Monk is surely Clear Enough to make you think twise about the statements made....

Islam is a religion which can be applied to any country,, any society for a 100% victory in The world now and the Life we gonna live after our death..

Islam doesnt change or be flexible in the Laws because Islam is a Religion Which is has no bugs or any errors...

You should b a muslim to Feel The Differnece :yes::yes::yes:
exports; the
Sorry if my words have hurt u bro.....

If you gonna reply to this.. please Answer for the questions i made with good reasons... Dont skip the questions i made... B perfect then point to other.... So u can poin to other coz u r not perfect........

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[just]

just a comment on this beard trampling issue...

why dont we let the authority (who probably know about cleaness inside the theatre more than all of us ;)) to decide if doctors can have beared or not...as far as i know they dont have an issue with that...

do we need to pull each others beards out for something like this...???:lol::lol::lol:

[TΞΞNSTAR™]

I am not trying to disrespect any ones believing, but fact you point out cannot be ignored

What a lousy example you have provided!!:shocked: :shocked:

Now you are bringing the religion in to this topic, involve with cleanliness at the OT. That is what exactly Walbada was trying to point out.

I have witnessed how those pilgrims clean themselves before entering the mosque for Jumma. And Where they get water to wash there hands.

As a person who lives in 21st century, if you define it as clean, man, I am sorry for you..

K.. so well Cleanliness.... Hmmm well i will reply to this if you reply to this..

Well the Monks used to wear Saluwa.. Do you know from what the Saluwa is made on those days... Just search it and get me the reply...

After that we will see weather you are eligible to talk about Cleanliness...

[TΞΞNSTAR™]

just a comment on this beard trampling issue...

why dont we let the authority (who probably know about cleaness inside the theatre more than all of us ;)) to decide if doctors can have beared or not...as far as i know they dont have an issue with that...

do we need to pull each others beards out for something like this...???:lol::lol::lol:

Hehe... yeah but im not trying to make any problm here bro..

we alll are Srilankans ... just tryng to clarify there misconfusions....

[TΞΞNSTAR™]

I am not trying to disrespect any ones believing, but fact you point out cannot be ignored

What a lousy example you have provided!!:shocked: :shocked:

Now you are bringing the religion in to this topic, involve with cleanliness at the OT. That is what exactly Walbada was trying to point out.

I have witnessed how those pilgrims clean themselves before entering the mosque for Jumma. And Where they get water to wash there hands.

As a person who lives in 21st century, if you define it as clean, man, I am sorry for you..
Let me speak generally here, but please dont misunderstand me I'm not insulting anyone!

Muslims may clean their bodies 5 times a day.. but none of us dip our whole body in the antiseptic 5 times a day right?

Especially a simple wash at the door step of the mosque is not sufficient for a surgeon! I hope you can understand it.. the point here is the more facial hair you have the more dust particles it retains... can you control it? I don't think so! The more alien particles it gathers the more it becomes dirty this is as simple as that! are you denying it?

A normal human being probably could neglect it, but for a surgeon these things are very important because they are responsible of someone's life! You've got to admit that there is a risk here in this case!

As for a normal Muslim I guess according what they believe its fine!

Also I thought its worth mentioning one of my real life experience... Last time when I was in SL, I took my grandmother for an eye operation she could not see because her eye was covered by the whitish substance (I dont know the real name) anyway next to my grand mother's bed was another old man, probably same age as my grandmother and he is a Sinhalese from Anuradhapura he had beard probably a foot long... and he has come for the same operation..

And on the day that the doctor visited the patients he said to that old man that he MUST shave before the eye operation, and ofcourse he wasn't happy because it is his appearance which is according to him is very important.... and he was wondering what an eye operation got to do with a beard.. and there I am thinking what if this was a Muslim patient...

I know Muslims respect their religion, but there are certain situations in life that the risk is just not worth it.. and for surgeons this applies everyday.. that's the difference!
After a microscopic investigation to a microbe plant for those who regularly performing ablution and those who are not regularly performing it, the modern science confirmed that the noses of those who perform ablution regularly remained clean, pure and empty from any microbes. Therefore, the microbe plants established for them, appeared clean and empty from any microbe. Whereas, the microbic plants of those who do not perform ablution exposed a huge amount of different types of harmful microbes such as cluster microbes, rosary microbes which spread quickly and organic microbes which cause many kinds of diseases. Some cases of self poisoning results from the harmful microbes which stays in the nose cavity. These microbes enter into the digestive system and the blood circulation and create inflammations and diseases. Therefore, Islam, asked Muslims to inhate water into the nose three times during each ablution. As far as the rinsing-out the mouth is concerned it is proofed that it protects mouth and throats from inflammations, gingivitis and teeth decay and erosion by removing the remaining of food. It is medically confirmed that 90% of those who lose their teeth, they face this because they don’t clean their mouth & teeth. The pus material and the rottenness get mixed with the slaver and food. The stomach and the digestive system suck them. Then they get distributed to different parts of the body by the help of blood, consequently it causes many types of disease. It is proved that the rinsing-out of mouth strengthens some muscles of the face and makes the face circled. Rather, the sport teachers mention this fact because they concentrate on the big muscles of the body. Washing of hands and legs also is very useful. It removes dust, germs and cleans the body from oily materials which come out through the skin glands. It also eliminates sweating. It is medically proved that microbes cannot attack human skin unless he neglects its cleaning. If man does not clean his body regularly then various harmful secretions remains on the surface of the skin and create severe scratching in addition it also becomes a fertile plant of microbes. Unclean fingers nails scratch and injure the skin and open entries to the microbes. Therefore, ablution helps cleaning the body regularly. Bacteriology scientists who examined Bacteria and funguses which can be transferred to the mouth and nose. Therefore, hands should be cleaned properly before cleaning other parts of the body. This has already been explained by the prophet Mohammed (PBUH) who said, “When a person wakes up from sleeping, he should not dip his hand into the vessel (food – water) before washing it thrice” It is also found that blood circulation at limbs is weaker because they are far from the center of blood pumping (the heart). Therefore, its washing will be a kind of a massage which helps to activate the blood circulation at these remote areas of the body consequently makes the person more vigorous. All these show the value of ablution that a Muslim performs. Source: Scientific Miracles in Islam and Sunna Nabaweya” By: Mohammed Kamil Abdel Samad. Dr. Ahmed Shawqi Ibraheem the member of the Royal Medical Association in London and the consultant of International and heart diseases says that scientists came to know that the fall of the light in the water during ablution and also on the dots of water on the body gives birth to negative Ions and reduces the positive Ions and consequently it relaxes the nervous and muscles pain as well as tension and anxiety. This fact is confirmed also by an American scientist who says: “water has a magic effect Even the dazzle of water on face and hands – he means ablution – is the best means of achieving relaxation and eliminating tension.

Source: Reformation Magazine No. 296, year 1994 From the symposium of the Association of the scientific Miracles in Quran , Cairo

http://images.zwani.com/graphics/islam/images/religionislam8.gif

[rapa]

As a muslim we never ever tried to make our selfs correct...


so why ppl try to create a point like this? :P


1st point ... The source of the article is PROBODHAYA... a sinhala magazine ..


I have find about "Probodhaya" magazine
but unfortunately there is no magazine in that name :lol:


2nd point ... its written by a sinhala brother...


who care??
like I can create a article about islam and puta my name as "mohomad abdul"

[just]

who care??
like I can create a article about islam and puta my name as "mohomad abdul"

hey bro so u suggesting this is a fabricated interview using respected monks name.so if a monks talks proper religion and his not a puppet of any pilitical parties then either his mad or its fabricated?

i hope it wont come to so called "real pure buddists" burning alive the ones who got different opinions about religion.wow i thouoght buddism teaches mythree...cool

[shalinda]

hmmm

[pusa07]

[B]

Well i hope Buddism is a religion which can be followed by all the mankind in the world.. as some people state that its prohibted to eat flesh or meat if they eat meat the cannot get Nivan... if so dont people in countries like Greenland <Greenland today is critically dependent on fishing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing) and fish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish)shrimp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrimp) fishing industry is by far the largest income earner>
so that means the people who live in Greenland wont get Nivan... i mean they cant survive been a vegetarian...

Islam is a religion which can be applied to any country,, any society for a 100% victory in The world now and the Life we gonna live after our death..

Islam doesnt change or be flexible in the Laws because Islam is a Religion Which is has no bugs or any errors...




Man u knw wt? before the Buddha was born, He looked at five different things including Continent & country. To be born in a better country, u hav to hav "Pera kala kusal".. those ppl are sinners who are in those countries.

[pusa07]

K.. so well Cleanliness.... Hmmm well i will reply to this if you reply to this..

Well the Monks used to wear Saluwa.. Do you know from what the Saluwa is made on those days... Just search it and get me the reply...

After that we will see weather you are eligible to talk about Cleanliness...

I'll tel you what the siwra used to be made of. (it is not saluwa but siwra u r refferin to my fnd) after thew sew it together, they used to put it in boiling water and add colours. hope u knw wt boiling water does to jerms.:confused: ;)

[sri_lion]

After a microscopic investigation to a microbe plant for those who regularly performing ablution and those who are not regularly performing it, the modern science confirmed that the noses of those who perform ablution regularly remained clean, pure and empty from any microbes. Therefore, the microbe plants established for them, appeared clean and empty from any microbe. Whereas, the microbic plants of those who do not perform ablution exposed a huge amount of different types of harmful microbes such as cluster microbes, rosary microbes which spread quickly and organic microbes which cause many kinds of diseases. Some cases of self poisoning results from the harmful microbes which stays in the nose cavity. These microbes enter into the digestive system and the blood circulation and create inflammations and diseases. Therefore, Islam, asked Muslims to inhate water into the nose three times during each ablution. As far as the rinsing-out the mouth is concerned it is proofed that it protects mouth and throats from inflammations, gingivitis and teeth decay and erosion by removing the remaining of food. It is medically confirmed that 90% of those who lose their teeth, they face this because they don’t clean their mouth & teeth. The pus material and the rottenness get mixed with the slaver and food. The stomach and the digestive system suck them. Then they get distributed to different parts of the body by the help of blood, consequently it causes many types of disease. It is proved that the rinsing-out of mouth strengthens some muscles of the face and makes the face circled. Rather, the sport teachers mention this fact because they concentrate on the big muscles of the body. Washing of hands and legs also is very useful. It removes dust, germs and cleans the body from oily materials which come out through the skin glands. It also eliminates sweating. It is medically proved that microbes cannot attack human skin unless he neglects its cleaning. If man does not clean his body regularly then various harmful secretions remains on the surface of the skin and create severe scratching in addition it also becomes a fertile plant of microbes. Unclean fingers nails scratch and injure the skin and open entries to the microbes. Therefore, ablution helps cleaning the body regularly. Bacteriology scientists who examined Bacteria and funguses which can be transferred to the mouth and nose. Therefore, hands should be cleaned properly before cleaning other parts of the body. This has already been explained by the prophet Mohammed (PBUH) who said, “When a person wakes up from sleeping, he should not dip his hand into the vessel (food – water) before washing it thrice” It is also found that blood circulation at limbs is weaker because they are far from the center of blood pumping (the heart). Therefore, its washing will be a kind of a massage which helps to activate the blood circulation at these remote areas of the body consequently makes the person more vigorous. All these show the value of ablution that a Muslim performs. Source: Scientific Miracles in Islam and Sunna Nabaweya” By: Mohammed Kamil Abdel Samad. Dr. Ahmed Shawqi Ibraheem the member of the Royal Medical Association in London and the consultant of International and heart diseases says that scientists came to know that the fall of the light in the water during ablution and also on the dots of water on the body gives birth to negative Ions and reduces the positive Ions and consequently it relaxes the nervous and muscles pain as well as tension and anxiety. This fact is confirmed also by an American scientist who says: “water has a magic effect Even the dazzle of water on face and hands – he means ablution – is the best means of achieving relaxation and eliminating tension.

Source: Reformation Magazine No. 296, year 1994 From the symposium of the Association of the scientific Miracles in Quran , Cairo

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Dude 1st of all your source is a Islam related source, and if you wanna talk about science get it from a conference paper or a science magazine! besides there's nothing called Scientific Miracles :lol: Science is science everything happens according to science and there's no miracles in it! :lol:

And I really dont understand what you are trying to prove here...I will ask you a simple question can you actually see these Mirco organisms from your naked eye? .if the above paragraph suggests something it suggests only one thing, these Micro organisms cannot be seen by the naked eye.. therefore we do not know whether its there or not...so are you trying to justify that a surgeon having a beard is acceptable whether or not he carries germs?

[sri_lion]

just a comment on this beard trampling issue...

why dont we let the authority (who probably know about cleaness inside the theatre more than all of us ;)) to decide if doctors can have beared or not...as far as i know they dont have an issue with that...

do we need to pull each others beards out for something like this...???:lol::lol::lol:

Dont runaway from the problem!

Authorities can do very little, especially when a rule imposed can directly effects someone's culture and religion these are sensitive issues! If authorities make it a MUST (which I think they should) then the human right fellows will make noise!

This is not only in Sri Lanka but a problem all around the world!

Ex: Singh's are allowed to ride Motorbikes without an helmet because they are not suppose to remove their turban!

So it may not as easy as it seem!

[just]

Man u knw wt? before the Buddha was born, He looked at five different things including Continent & country. To be born in a better country, u hav to hav "Pera kala kusal".. those ppl are sinners who are in those countries.
buddy i'd like to ask two questions regarding this.if you feel im insulting the faith please let me know i understand :yes:.if not give me a clear answer..

1. as per your claim a person doesnt actually know wat sin he did to be born in less good place.so why is he punished for something he doesnt really know he did or not.we know all justice systems work based on evidence and punisher knows waht he's being punished for:confused:

2. also who makes sure that ppl who sinned are born in less good places and ppl who do good deeds are born in better places.who controls that? what if the systems wrong? what if what we think happenings actually isnt happening? whome can be made responsible:confused:

Thanks

[sri_lion]

K.. so well Cleanliness.... Hmmm well i will reply to this if you reply to this..

Well the Monks used to wear Saluwa.. Do you know from what the Saluwa is made on those days... Just search it and get me the reply...

After that we will see weather you are eligible to talk about Cleanliness...

Did we talk about Muslim Priest's and their cleanliness now?

Dude get back to the topic we are not talking about ordinary people's cleanliness here, stick to the topic! :rolleyes:

And are you suggesting that Monks are dirty?

[Wal Bada]

Hey bro ur just crazy...the thing is that uve nt witnessed other doctors(non-muslims with Long Beard)...thats bcuz muslims are very highlighted in ur point of view..! U only c the muslims...Ive witnessed so many non muslim doctors...I dnt know their names in person..!My Bad

And Ma Bro..!!Islam never says to grow the beared so long.According to Islam there is a limit and it should be well trimmed and short..!So jus bcuz some ppl grow the beard so long it doesnt mean that its correct...THats y i pointed out that JUDGE ISLAM BEFORE U COMMEN...NOT THE MUSLIMSNow tel me, why mullah's have long beards? They are the ones preaching Islam and they are the ones having longest of beards. Your comments look really odd when I think about it.

[Wal Bada]

If the Doctor cares abt the patient..He will never be Dirty...That depends on the Doctor...That Depends on the doctor bro...Hey and i go to a dental care every month k...to tight ma Braces...He doesnt even do the scrubbing...No Gloves...Just the Apron...What do u say abt that,,,IT DEPENDS MAN!

1. Medical definitin of "cleanliness" is different that of Islamic. Surgeon with a six-inch beard is always dirty. He cannot be clean, because no one can cover that long thing. That does not depend on the doctor. Theretre pprotocol demands every one to trim moustaches and beards, wear theatre cloths, wear boots and to stick to other protocols. Once more you are clearly shoeing your ignorance.

2. Dental procedures are not major surgery. And tightening braces is not even a minor surgery. So why do you need gloves? Why do you need to maintain sterility in a germ filled place like oral cavity? Please know the facts before you post.

[Wal Bada]

Haha..I would say that this is MOST MORONIC COMMENT EVER....Please show which part of it is moronic


.Again u GO MUSLIM Dr....what if it was a Buddhist/Christian Doctor with grown beard(i mean Long)..Yes, I can assure that there are NO non-muslim surgeons with long beards in SL. (there are only about 125 surgeons, so very easy to spot guys at College of Surgeons sessions). And muslim has a higher chance of having a long beard than a buddhist because your religion demands to grow it.

why do always highlight muslims bro...!Thats,,,,,no words..! And for the answer...I dnt think the beard will be full of germs...!They are and shuold be clean!Muslims are highlighted because they don't want to adapt to the environment they are living. Especially as a minority. The ultra-stubborness of muslims have caused them to be highlighted.

Once more how many Buddhist or Hindu male doctors do you see coming in National dress or Vetti to the ward? The ones who does not stick to the dress code are only muslims. I repeat only muslims. You have been living in a blind world, but ultra-stubborn acts like these always create unrest.

Then you have tried so hard to prove that beard can be clean. It is never. That's why beards are shaven when chin area needs sutures, and hair is shaven, h=when scalp is injured and needs suturing. Don't try to argue about cleanliness of the beard because it is accepted as dirty in medical practice.

[Wal Bada]

just a comment on this beard trampling issue...

why dont we let the authority (who probably know about cleaness inside the theatre more than all of us ;)) to decide if doctors can have beared or not...as far as i know they dont have an issue with that...

do we need to pull each others beards out for something like this...???:lol::lol::lol:I was an active part of that authority as the Senior House Officer of Surgery. So don't try to teach me what are issues and what are not issues. Because I am a professional on that.

[Wal Bada]

After a microscopic investigation to a microbe plant for those who regularly performing ablution and those who are not regularly performing it, the modern science confirmed that the noses of those who perform ablution regularly remained clean, pure and empty from any microbes.Ha . . ha . . do you think that I will accept this crap? Give the link to the study that have proved this, and it should be indexed in MedLine. Otherwise your source has no medical value .

[sri_lion]

I was an active part of that authority as the Senior House Officer of Surgery. So don't try to teach me what are issues and what are not issues. Because I am a professional on that.

Machang is there actually any professional code of conduct for these kind of issues in Sri Lanka?:confused: If there aren't then why not?

[Wal Bada]

After a microscopic investigation to a microbe plant for those who regularly performing ablution and those who are not regularly performing it, the modern science confirmed that the noses of those who perform ablution regularly remained clean, pure and empty from any microbes. Therefore, the microbe plants established for them, appeared clean and empty from any microbe. Whereas, the microbic plants of those who do not perform ablution exposed a huge amount of different types of harmful microbes such as cluster microbes, rosary microbes which spread quickly and organic microbes which cause many kinds of diseases. Some cases of self poisoning results from the harmful microbes which stays in the nose cavity. These microbes enter into the digestive system and the blood circulation and create inflammations and diseases. Therefore, Islam, asked Muslims to inhate water into the nose three times during each ablution. As far as the rinsing-out the mouth is concerned it is proofed that it protects mouth and throats from inflammations, gingivitis and teeth decay and erosion by removing the remaining of food. It is medically confirmed that 90% of those who lose their teeth, they face this because they don’t clean their mouth & teeth. The pus material and the rottenness get mixed with the slaver and food. The stomach and the digestive system suck them. Then they get distributed to different parts of the body by the help of blood, consequently it causes many types of disease. It is proved that the rinsing-out of mouth strengthens some muscles of the face and makes the face circled. Rather, the sport teachers mention this fact because they concentrate on the big muscles of the body. Washing of hands and legs also is very useful. It removes dust, germs and cleans the body from oily materials which come out through the skin glands. It also eliminates sweating. It is medically proved that microbes cannot attack human skin unless he neglects its cleaning. If man does not clean his body regularly then various harmful secretions remains on the surface of the skin and create severe scratching in addition it also becomes a fertile plant of microbes. Unclean fingers nails scratch and injure the skin and open entries to the microbes. Therefore, ablution helps cleaning the body regularly. Bacteriology scientists who examined Bacteria and funguses which can be transferred to the mouth and nose. Therefore, hands should be cleaned properly before cleaning other parts of the body. This has already been explained by the prophet Mohammed (PBUH) who said, “When a person wakes up from sleeping, he should not dip his hand into the vessel (food – water) before washing it thrice” It is also found that blood circulation at limbs is weaker because they are far from the center of blood pumping (the heart). Therefore, its washing will be a kind of a massage which helps to activate the blood circulation at these remote areas of the body consequently makes the person more vigorous. All these show the value of ablution that a Muslim performs. Source: Scientific Miracles in Islam and Sunna Nabaweya” By: Mohammed Kamil Abdel Samad. Dr. Ahmed Shawqi Ibraheem the member of the Royal Medical Association in London and the consultant of International and heart diseases says that scientists came to know that the fall of the light in the water during ablution and also on the dots of water on the body gives birth to negative Ions and reduces the positive Ions and consequently it relaxes the nervous and muscles pain as well as tension and anxiety. This fact is confirmed also by an American scientist who says: “water has a magic effect Even the dazzle of water on face and hands – he means ablution – is the best means of achieving relaxation and eliminating tension.

Source: Reformation Magazine No. 296, year 1994 From the symposium of the Association of the scientific Miracles in Quran , Cairo

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Total lot of crap. We don't belive in miracles of Quran or any miracles at all, unless it appears in a scientific text, these go down in the toilet with shit.

[Wal Bada]

Machang is there actually any professional code of conduct for these kind of issues in Sri Lanka?:confused: If there aren't then why not?In SL No. The funny part is when these Muslim doctors go to UK, they just shave off there beards! Otherwise they are thrown out of the theatre by the in charge authority, and no one can raise any religous queries baout it. In UK, Health > Religion. Here it is the other way round.

[sri_lion]

we alll are Srilankans ...

But you support PAKISTAN Cricket Team!:lol: :rolleyes:

http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70815

[nimaz]

too long..will read later

[Wal Bada]

But you support PAKISTAN Cricket Team!:lol: :rolleyes:

http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70815
Badu mattu!

[just]

I was an active part of that authority as the Senior House Officer of Surgery. So don't try to teach me what are issues and what are not issues. Because I am a professional on that.
oh ok sorry buddy, you are an officer and i didnt know that:baffled:. maybe you can do something i guess then.so you suggesting we should adopt the system in UK?

unfortunately that will require to kick out lots of ppl from parliment, then respect others rights to practice there religion,culture etc without a problem, curruption will be have to fought,media have to be given freedom...etc and more than all extremist whether they are tamil, muslims or buddists have to be kicked..:D:D

i like that too actually...:yes:

so when is this gona come in to action...i know for sure not unless there are ppl who shout "Para suddo" to UK still there systems are good:lol::lol::lol:

[rapa]

hey bro so u suggesting this is a fabricated interview using respected monks name.so if a monks talks proper religion and his not a puppet of any pilitical parties then either his mad or its fabricated?


ha ha I didn't say it but why are you guys talk about only this article
if you want to know what is the real attitude of the Buddhism there is a site called www.google.com and search it


i hope it wont come to so called "real pure buddists" burning alive the ones who got different opinions about religion.


no there are no opinions about religion :no:, is it allow in islam ?
in the Buddhism you can freely thinking but you can't say wrong thing to any one


wow i thouoght buddism teaches mythree...cool

not only mythree
meththa, karuna, muditha, upeksha

[TΞΞNSTAR™]

But you support PAKISTAN Cricket Team!:lol: :rolleyes:

http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=70815

:lol: :lol: :lol: Well thats d dumbest thin i ever heard...

If i Support Pakistan does that means my Nationality is Pakistani.... :lol: :lol:

If it would a be a great ay of getting the citizenship of the countries we need by just supporting the country cricket team..

Im @ class nw ... i got loads of nd lots of points to make clear 4 u both....

Ill catch u soon bros...

Till dat... Keep Smilin......:lol: :lol:

[sri_lion]

:lol: :lol: :lol: Well thats d dumbest thin i ever heard...

If i Support Pakistan does that means my Nationality is Pakistani.... :lol: :lol:

Ah! this is where I wanted you to come! :lol: :lol:

Dude we are NOT DUMB! We know why MOST Sri Lankan MUSLIMS want PAKISTAN to win over their own motherland!:rolleyes:

Oya nikan BABA TALKS denna epa! :lol: :lol:

If you support Aussie then I understand.. they are the best there is and they have talent and multiple WC winners.. but why PAKISTAN? Why NOT your own motherland?



If it would a be a great ay of getting the citizenship of the countries we need by just supporting the country cricket team..

Its about time you realize that.....

NO MATTER what country national you want be...... YOU CANNOT!! This is your motherland and this is where you will be accepted!

WHETHER YOU WANNA ACCEPT THIS IS YOUR MOTHERLAND IS A DIFFERENT STORY ALL TOGETHER!

[TΞΞNSTAR™]

WHETHER YOU WANNA ACCEPT THIS IS YOUR MOTHERLAND IS A DIFFERENT STORY ALL TOGETHER!

Is this what you call a freedom in a democratic country.........

its our wish.. feelings cant be kept cannot be blocked with bareers..

well dont you think we are off the track..

[rapa]

Is this what you call a freedom in a democratic country.........

its our wish.. feelings cant be kept cannot be blocked with bareers..

well dont you think we are off the track..
dose pure islam allow kill animals for eat ?

[sri_lion]

Is this what you call a freedom in a democratic country.........

Great! So at least now you know that Sri Lanka is Democratic!

Well at least.. Sri Lanka is a lot more democratic than those stupid Arabic Countries which practice Sharia Law!:rolleyes:


its our wish.. feelings cant be kept cannot be blocked with bareers..

Fine! as long as you accept that your "feeling" is "Pakistan is priority than your own motherland because _____________" (fill in the blank with your own thought):lol:

P.S: But... everyone knows that thought!:lol:

well dont you think we are off the track..

Really sorry about that! But, I personally think it was worth it to know what some Muslim people think!! :lol:

[yasiru1]

great work

[just]

hmmm why so bashing going against religions...

is it too hard for so called "we are pure than you all buddists" when a normal people get to know religions straight from monks that doesnt support there path?

thanks to the internet everyones voices can be heard still.let people judge for themselfs..
anyways buddy rapa thanks for the google.com tip im really excited to try it..;)

take care

[vishankapraveen]

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

[sri_lion]

hmmm why so bashing going against religions...

It is a BASH if you want it to be!:lol:

is it too hard for so called "we are pure than you all buddists" when a normal people get to know religions straight from monks that doesnt support there path?

You are referring to?

thanks to the internet everyones voices can be heard still.let people judge for themselfs..

EXACTLY!!:lol:

[just]

You are referring to?

the ones that the hat fits to :rolleyes:, but definitely not charlie in the chocolate factory!!!;)

[rapa]

hmmm why so bashing going against religions...


you have to clearly understood deferent between bashing and argumentative


is it too hard for so called "we are pure than you all buddists" when a normal people get to know religions straight from monks that doesnt support there path?


no my friend your in wrong state
if you went to wrong place how do you get correct thing ?


thanks to the internet everyones voices can be heard still.let people judge for themselfs..
anyways buddy rapa thanks for the google.com tip im really excited to try it..;)
take care


welcome buddy :lol:

[fazaal24]

I Hoped for something peaceful here...As always in ElaKiri its going to a bad end...I thought this thread would give some positive points to think..but it was transformed into some shit..And i expected some respect towards religions.nothing happened in the end..!

At one place a fellow says stick to the topic while its already out of the topic..

And another thing is that some questions were omitted in this conversation...It was nt qouted at all...

And someone said that the positive points will be appreciated...But the good was also nt qouted (why?becus u dnt want to admit it)...All were only finding faults..!By this what i came to know is some guys are never to appreciate nor to agree some points..

And the pakistan cricket thing....i duno what the hell was running on his mind...I never supported pakistan and some do support pakistan...But i dnt think it is bcuz for wateva so called person meant....There was nothin deep like that in supporting the team..!


And useless arguing anymore coz wateva said.., u neva eva agree some points..u omit it and start another topic......Sad abt it..and have witnessed this in EK b4 too...!

.:: PEACE-OUT::.

*U=thoppiya hari nam daganna;)

[life]

hamuduruwo muslim ayata banala nane
anith agam walata garu karanna mata kiya dunne ape hamuduruwo

[Wal Bada]

oh ok sorry buddy, you are an officer and i didnt know that:baffled:. maybe you can do something i guess then.so you suggesting we should adopt the system in UK?The guidlines are there, but they are not adhered to. Just like traffic rules, they are there, but no one obeys them.

unfortunately that will require to kick out lots of ppl from parliment,I did not comment about parliament. It's a seperate place.


then respect others rights to practice there religion,culture etc without a problem, curruption will be have to fought,media have to be given freedom...etc and more than all extremist whether they are tamil, muslims or buddists have to be kicked..:D:DOnce again rules are there, but no one follows.

i like that too actually...:yes:

so when is this gona come in to action...i know for sure not unless there are ppl who shout "Para suddo" to UK still there systems are good:lol::lol::lol:It's not sudda's guidelines. They are Universal guidelines. Infact a good part of those guidelines were formed by Japanese, who are not "para suddo" at all..

[Wal Bada]

I Hoped for something peaceful here...As always in ElaKiri its going to a bad end...I thought this thread would give some positive points to think..but it was transformed into some shit..And i expected some respect towards religions.nothing happened in the end..!This entire thread ios peaceful. No name calling, no threatening, no use of insults of obscene language. How can you have a bda thread without above?


And someone said that the positive points will be appreciated...But the good was also nt qouted (why?becus u dnt want to admit it)...When the need arises they'll be given. Now the problem is you don't even want to think that your religion have flawed in some instances. You don't even want to think outside the square drawn for you by the Koran. That is the main problem.

And useless arguing anymore coz wateva said.., u neva eva agree some points..u omit it and start another topic......Sad abt it..and have witnessed this in EK b4 too...!
.:: PEACE-OUT::. *U=thoppiya hari nam daganna;)You are runnign away when the overwhelmng evidence is displayed in front of you. And you are the ones who love that "Thoppiya". Others will wear it if they want, and we go to temple without the "thoppiya":lol:

[sri_lion]

I Hoped for something peaceful here...As always in ElaKiri its going to a bad end...I thought this thread would give some positive points to think..but it was transformed into some shit..And i expected some respect towards religions.nothing happened in the end..!

This you must tell to the thread starter! Because this is not the 1st time he wanted to discuss about religious issues.. check his posts and see what I mean!

By putting a religion related thread especially directed at Buddhist and Muslims will lead to a discussion along those avenues..... it is invetible... So if you think that is SHIT then you should know who's been SHITTING!:lol:

And another thing is that some questions were omitted in this conversation...It was nt qouted at all...

Those were not omitted purposely by any means, the person who asked the question was answered long time ago.. and what I don't understand why he repeatedly ask the same question again!

All I have to say is.. if you can't grasp it then let it go!:rolleyes: But that doesn't seem to be the case!

You can take a horse to the water but you can't really drink on its behalf! As simple as that!:lol:

And the pakistan cricket thing....i duno what the hell was running on his mind...I never supported pakistan and some do support pakistan...But i dnt think it is bcuz for wateva so called person meant....There was nothin deep like that in supporting the team..!

:lol: No need to run around the bush.... I'm the one who started the Cricket topic, So I'll answer.. I have already apologize for being out of topic to the person I quoted!

Yet truth cannot be hidden! You may not be one of them, maybe that's why you do not understand... and I never said every Sri Lankan Muslim is as such! But you cannot deny the fact that there are Muslims as such... one example is already in this thread!

But why there's no satisfactory answer to it? is it a mystery as to why Sri Lankan Muslims support this particular country over their motherland? no matter how you try to justify the reason is very clear! And if don't wanna accept it.. you may just runaway with other excuses! that's fine!

[Hunter]

:eek: [B]
Srilanka is a typical contry which fullfills the needs of vegetarians as well as for the Non vegetarians....

Well i hope Buddism is a religion which can be followed by all the mankind in the world.. as some people state that its prohibted to eat flesh or meat if they eat meat the cannot get Nivan... if so dont people in countries like Greenland <Greenland today is critically dependent on fishing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fishing) and fish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish)shrimp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrimp) fishing industry is by far the largest income earner>
so that means the people who live in Greenland wont get Nivan... i mean they cant survive been a vegetarian...




hehe well said bro.Whats the meaning to this?

Then this meat eating thing in buddhism doeasnt apply to the whole world?You can eat meat in where they have to.but u cant do it in Sri Lanka??Whats da meaning of this?So Funny.i guess no one has answered this question:eek:

Oh may be they have just not seen this comment i have qouted.Poor ppl:lol:

[Hunter]

Muslim surgeons enter the theatre with their long beards full of germs, and that cannot be covered with the face mask. Now OT has to be a sterile environment. What is more important? stiking to the Doctor's religious belief, or stickng to the well being of that patient?




Thats a idiotic comment....Hey buddy..haha...Thats so funnY LMAO..!!:lol:

The patient has the right to tell that he doesnt want that surgeon.
Is the surgeon going to be pulling the patient saying "hey come come.im da one who's gonna do this..u have no escape":lol:
Growing beard is the surgeons right and the patient also has the right to tell that he doesnt want that surgeon to do the surgery.

Now what will happen if a Muslim surgeon is thrown out of the theartre due to that reason? There will be a huge up roar. What will happen if catholic surgeon trown out for the same reason? Nothing.

Thats the way you think. How Stone Minded u r...:no:
Have you ever witnessed something like that??Just dont day dream and make ur comments bro:no: Its so bad:frown: You are a shame to the whole country

[Hunter]

I'll tel you what the siwra used to be made of. (it is not saluwa but siwra u r refferin to my fnd) after thew sew it together, they used to put it in boiling water and add colours. hope u knw wt boiling water does to jerms.:confused: ;)


Hey then ur killing a living beign there?oh no thats a sin man:shocked: Thats nt either allowed in buddhism ne:eek: Killing Living beigns???oh noo!

[Wal Bada]

Thats a idiotic comment....Hey buddy..haha...Thats so funnY LMAO..!!:lol:

The patient has the right to tell that he doesnt want that surgeon.
Is the surgeon going to be pulling the patient saying "hey come come.im da one who's gonna do this..u have no escape":lol:
Growing beard is the surgeons right and the patient also has the right to tell that he doesnt want that surgeon to do the surgery. fROM YOUR COMMENT i CAN THINK THAT YOU HAVE NEVER SET FOOT ON A GOVERNMENT HSPITAL.

1. All patents are not concious when brought to OT. The most serious ones are unconcious. SO they cannot choose.

2. Poor patients in SL cannot refuse free surgery from Government sector. Otherwise they have to spend tens of thousands to get it done. Stop moronic talks and face the reality! 95% of SL popoulation is dependent on Government hospitals for surgical problems.

Come to SL and learn the environment, then start to comment without putting out bollocks.



Thats the way you think. How Stone Minded u r...:no: Have you ever witnessed something like that??Just dont day dream and make ur comments bro:no: Its so bad:frown: You are a shame to the whole countryHa! Ha! I've given even the name of the surgeon. Just read through the thread. Don't show that trees have better IQ than you. You cannot even read. Go back to the elementry classes and learn to read! SL don't need illiterate shit!

[TΞΞNSTAR™]

IM BACK....... NOW STEP BAQ.......

[Hunter]

I don't think Sinhalese people are blaming Muslims for eating meat, Sinhalese eat meat too so how can they only blame Muslims? :rolleyes:

Although what the hamuduruwo said about beef is correct! Not only from a religious point of view..just forget the religious point of view for a moment I think if you look into Sinhalese culture we are where we are today because of COW.. last time I checked Sri Lanka was the 13th country in the world when it comes to consuming rice! For a country as small as this..... this is huge! and indeed it show how much our country dependent on rice from ancient times, we Sri Lankans even exported rice those days :lol:

So in the humble beginnings of Sri Lanka COW was the centric point if there were no COWS there's no rice, we milked them, we used them as transport, even their excrements were used as fertilizers... the new technology now changed everything and the animal once was too precious too be eaten soon became meat in Sri Lanka!

I think its something personal... depends on individual... if any animal in the history of Sri Lanka helped Sri Lanka to grow its the COW.. if you can respect that and spare the Animal then that's the simplest of ways we as Sri Lankans can pay our tribute to this once precious Animal! You don't need religion to figure that out!

dose pure islam allow kill animals for eat ?


Well said..!!Hey rapa what do u say:rolleyes:Did ya forget to qoute this or what?:eek: paw ane.I think mewa cant c samahara ayata:lol:

[TΞΞNSTAR™]

Well said..!!Hey rapa what do u say:rolleyes:Did ya forget to qoute this or what?:eek: paw ane.I think mewa cant c samahara ayata:lol:

:lol: :lol: hehe ow ow ban... ee welaawata engirisi bey egollota....:lol: :lol:

[Hunter]

:lol: :lol: hehe ow ow ban... ee welaawata engirisi bey egollota....:lol: :lol:
haha.anith aya me comment diha balanneth nehe...mokada e golloth mas kanawa ne:lol: e gollo mewata sambanda nehe...e gollo eka paththak gena ne kiyawanne. e aya danne echcharai.aththa piliganna kondak nethi ayath innawa Samaharu:lol:samahru nam kelinma kiyanawa.ekata nam wereddak kiyanne nehe:DAppreciate it

[sri_lion]

:eek:
hehe well said bro.Whats the meaning to this?

Then this meat eating thing in buddhism doeasnt apply to the whole world?You can eat meat in where they have to.but u cant do it in Sri Lanka??Whats da meaning of this?So Funny.i guess no one has answered this question:eek:

Oh may be they have just not seen this comment i have qouted.Poor ppl:lol:

Lord Buddha has shown a path for you to live free, but as for his teachings.. This life how long it may take will and must end in Niravana!

That is.. if and when you are ready to work towards it... So Lord buddha has shown 2 paths....

1. For people whom are ready to take the path where you can attain Niravana

2. For people whom are not ready yet but thinking more of surviving their current life

So its up to the Individual, Buddhism's teachings will not change... if you are living in North Pole or South Pole if you must kill to live you may kill but it will still have consequences and it is still considered as a SIN!!

Because you chose the path that you do not wish to attain NIRVANA just yet.. but to survive your current life!!! And if somebody wants to attain NIRVANA then it doesn't matter he is in the North or South pole he can always make a commitment and travel to a place where he can full fill the criteria of what's required to attain NIRAVANA!

You commit yourself.. then you get it.... just like every other things in Nature works! NO GOD gonna give you salvation... you work for yourself, if you do good deeds it will do good for you and vise-versa

Like they say... Nothing great has ever archived without a little SWEAT!!

[just]

You commit yourself.. then you get it.... just like every other things in Nature works! NO GOD gonna give you salvation... you work for yourself, if you do good deeds it will do good for you and vise-versa
hey buddy maybe im not intelligent as you are :confused:, but would be glad if you can clarify this to me with regard to above your statement itself.

NO GOD gonna give you salvation
ok fine.

.. you work for yourself, if you do good deeds it will do good for you and vise-versa
1st who decides wats good and wats bad..

2nd who exactly makes sure that ppl who did deed will get good and did bad will face its consequences..

is it just coincidences like science says abt everything? i'm confused, can you clear?

TC man

PS: it was mentioned that thread starter was the one to be blamed. i believe people will decide it when they read the interview. does it fuel anger and hatred or does it help common ppl understand the religion in its proper form

[sri_lion]

hey buddy maybe im not intelligent as you are :confused:, but would be glad if you can clarify this to me with regard to above your statement itself.
Sure!

As you may know by now NIRVANA is the Highest point of Buddhism as mentioned by Lord Buddha's teachings... and if we analyze it carefully it can be the highest point of HUMAN EVOLUTION as well! NIRAVANA can only be attained by a person whom have given up everything to live for.. yet he is compassionate, clear of all sins and the guidelines have given by Lord Buddha as what they refer to now as the "Eightfold Path"

1. Right View
2. Right Speech
3. Right Intention
4. Right livelihood
5. Right effort
6. Right action
7. Right mindfulness
8. Right concentration

NOW....

Lord Buddha also talks about cause and effect... as long as there is a cause there will be an effect..

Example: As long as you hate someone there will be enemies for you.. as long as there are enemies you will have bad intentions & fear and as long as you have bad intentions and fear you will be opted to do foul things... And if you do foul things there will be an effect... So there's cause and there is effect.. now if you ignore all hate then all the rest will no longer in effect there's no chain reaction...and then you look at the bigger picture...as long as you keep creating causes effects will follow...

Now coming back to how its related to the evolution! Animals are DUMB! Human is more intelligent but still not intelligent enough.. or not evolved enough to avoid SINS.. but they are certainly capable of doing that all it takes is discipline and the correct way! If human evolves into not creating causes or SINS then eventually all humans will come to a state of mind that they will see no reason of being born again and again just to go through the same life process again and again!

What is EVOLUTION? Evolution is a process of getting better, adopting to situations to live better lives... human have evolved thus far.. can they evolve more? Can't they be a set of beings that follows the eight fold path? They certainly can.. and when they do it the effect is called NIRAVANA, the HIGHEST POINT OF EVOLUTION as well, and evolution doesnt happen overnight.. it takes millions of billions of years... so that's why NIRAVANA cannot be archived overnight.. it takes time!

So unlike Animals, humans can take the initiative and start thinking for them selves much deeper, if you need to get to that pinnacle then you start now.. if you wanna start now.. then there is the PATH for you! If not.. fine.. you keep creating causes and you live to suffer the effects!


1st who decides wats good and wats bad..

"Good" and "Bad" are words we use.... the correct term in Buddhism is cause and effect...... so desirable cause create desirable effects and undesirable cause creates undesirable effects!

How it makes you feel desirable or undesirable? is part of human biology and a process of million years of evolution!

So there's no hidden powers or miracles of any sort.. its pure cause and effect!

2nd who exactly makes sure that ppl who did deed will get good and did bad will face its consequences..

is it just coincidences like science says abt everything? i'm confused, can you clear?

Like I just said.... Nobody!! You make it upon yourself and you take ownership of what you do....

Ex: What happened to Sadaam Hussain? He killed then he got killed...

CAUSE AND EFFECT!!

PS: it was mentioned that thread starter was the one to be blamed. i believe people will decide it when they read the interview. does it fuel anger and hatred or does it help common ppl understand the religion in its proper form


I didn't say that you are to be blamed!

I just told Fazaal that you have a habit of discussing religious issues.. are you not?

[Hunter]

This you must tell to the thread starter! Because this is not the 1st time he wanted to discuss about religious issues.. check his posts and see what I mean!

By putting a religion related thread especially directed at Buddhist and Muslims will lead to a discussion along those avenues..... it is invetible... So if you think that is SHIT then you should know who's been SHITTING!:lol:



i would like to reply to this
Nope the thread starter is not to be blamed at all:no:
Yes agree.Religious talks shuold be done here. But there is a way of doing it you know.There's a way of talking.

Total lot of crap. We don't belive in miracles of Quran or any miracles at all, unless it appears in a scientific text, these go down in the toilet with shit.

Muslims adhere according to the Al-Quran. Thats what they implement. Look at the above comment. Who cares whether u beleive it or not. You gotta respect it. Because its another religion. So whos the one with the bad attitude?:rolleyes:
Its the peoples attitude in this thread that has made this a shit i would say.
Look at walbada's attitude. He's talkin like a pundit as if he knows everything in this world.

So Mr. Sri Lion u and some others also have explained some stuff about your religion. We never told anything against ur beleifs. We Beleive in something and u beleive in another thing.

Originally Posted by pusa07
Man u knw wt? before the Buddha was born, He looked at five different things including Continent & country. To be born in a better country, u hav to hav "Pera kala kusal".. those ppl are sinners who are in those countries.

What if I say thats total crap and it goes down in the toilet with shit? Wheres the respect?So some people gotta know to respect each other while talking. The PUNDITS i mean.
Even Buddhism says to respect other religions ryt?Islam says that too!

[fanci]

K.. so well Cleanliness.... Hmmm well i will reply to this if you reply to this..

Well the Monks used to wear Saluwa.. Do you know from what the Saluwa is made on those days... Just search it and get me the reply...

After that we will see weather you are eligible to talk about Cleanliness...

Ha Ha This is like Yanne Koheda Malle Poll,:lol: :lol:

Talk to the point dude. We have discussed the cleanliness at the OT, not the cleanliness of monks or mullas.

It's eram1334 is the one try to compare that cleanliness to a Muslim who clean himself before praying.. Don't run away from the issue..:

This is a pure ignorance to medical definition of "cleanliness" under the cover of religion.:frown:

[fanci]

After a microscopic investigation to a microbe plant for those who regularly performing ablution and those who are not regularly performing it, the modern science confirmed that the noses of those who perform ablution regularly remained clean, pure and empty from any microbes. Therefore, the microbe plants established for them, appeared clean and empty from any microbe. Whereas, the microbic plants of those who do not perform ablution exposed a huge amount of different types of harmful microbes such as cluster microbes, rosary microbes which spread quickly and organic microbes which cause many kinds of diseases. Some cases of self poisoning results from the harmful microbes which stays in the nose cavity. These microbes enter into the digestive system and the blood circulation and create inflammations and diseases. Therefore, Islam, asked Muslims to inhate water into the nose three times during each ablution. As far as the rinsing-out the mouth is concerned it is proofed that it protects mouth and throats from inflammations, gingivitis and teeth decay and erosion by removing the remaining of food. It is medically confirmed that 90% of those who lose their teeth, they face this because they don’t clean their mouth & teeth. The pus material and the rottenness get mixed with the slaver and food. The stomach and the digestive system suck them. Then they get distributed to different parts of the body by the help of blood, consequently it causes many types of disease. It is proved that the rinsing-out of mouth strengthens some muscles of the face and makes the face circled. Rather, the sport teachers mention this fact because they concentrate on the big muscles of the body. Washing of hands and legs also is very useful. It removes dust, germs and cleans the body from oily materials which come out through the skin glands. It also eliminates sweating. It is medically proved that microbes cannot attack human skin unless he neglects its cleaning. If man does not clean his body regularly then various harmful secretions remains on the surface of the skin and create severe scratching in addition it also becomes a fertile plant of microbes. Unclean fingers nails scratch and injure the skin and open entries to the microbes. Therefore, ablution helps cleaning the body regularly. Bacteriology scientists who examined Bacteria and funguses which can be transferred to the mouth and nose. Therefore, hands should be cleaned properly before cleaning other parts of the body. This has already been explained by the prophet Mohammed (PBUH) who said, “When a person wakes up from sleeping, he should not dip his hand into the vessel (food – water) before washing it thrice” It is also found that blood circulation at limbs is weaker because they are far from the center of blood pumping (the heart). Therefore, its washing will be a kind of a massage which helps to activate the blood circulation at these remote areas of the body consequently makes the person more vigorous. All these show the value of ablution that a Muslim performs. Source: Scientific Miracles in Islam and Sunna Nabaweya” By: Mohammed Kamil Abdel Samad. Dr. Ahmed Shawqi Ibraheem the member of the Royal Medical Association in London and the consultant of International and heart diseases says that scientists came to know that the fall of the light in the water during ablution and also on the dots of water on the body gives birth to negative Ions and reduces the positive Ions and consequently it relaxes the nervous and muscles pain as well as tension and anxiety. This fact is confirmed also by an American scientist who says: “water has a magic effect Even the dazzle of water on face and hands – he means ablution – is the best means of achieving relaxation and eliminating tension.

Source: Reformation Magazine No. 296, year 1994 From the symposium of the Association of the scientific Miracles in Quran , Cairo

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Another piece of BullS**t, Science is always base on facts according to the science, there is no miracle in it.

These type of articles trying to push people's mindset back to the stone age. And we can see already there are some.:lol: :lol:

[fanci]

Hehe... yeah but im not trying to make any problm here bro..

we alll are Srilankans ... just tryng to clarify there misconfusions....

ARE YOU A SRI LANKAN ?? :confused: :confused:


Ahhh ela ela... Ehenam Asian Cup eka... its gonna b in srilanka i guess .. if so asian cup wil b startin in June rite..........

Anyway Pakistan Zindaabaad......

[fanci]

:lol: :lol: :lol: Well thats d dumbest thin i ever heard...

If i Support Pakistan does that means my Nationality is Pakistani.... :lol: :lol:

If it would a be a great ay of getting the citizenship of the countries we need by just supporting the country cricket team..

Im @ class nw ... i got loads of nd lots of points to make clear 4 u both....

Ill catch u soon bros...

Till dat... Keep Smilin......:lol: :lol:

Mekata Thamai Kiyanne Mokakda ekak thiyagena Thawa ekakkin Kelinna yanawa kiyala!!:lol: :lol:

Kata Boru kiwwata Diva Boro kiyanne Nae..:yes: :yes:

I wonder why any of our Muslim brothers not migrating to Pakistan, iran, or any other country where Islam strictly practiced, rather than trying to go to countries like UK or USA ..

[sachithmax]

maxxa macha

[fanci]

hmmm why so bashing going against religions...



Those who deserved, to be bashed!!:lol:

[fanci]

I Hoped for something peaceful here...As always in ElaKiri its going to a bad end...I thought this thread would give some positive points to think..but it was transformed into some shit..And i expected some respect towards religions.nothing happened in the end..!

At one place a fellow says stick to the topic while its already out of the topic..

And another thing is that some questions were omitted in this conversation...It was nt qouted at all...

And someone said that the positive points will be appreciated...But the good was also nt qouted (why?becus u dnt want to admit it)...All were only finding faults..!By this what i came to know is some guys are never to appreciate nor to agree some points..

And the pakistan cricket thing....i duno what the hell was running on his mind...I never supported pakistan and some do support pakistan...But i dnt think it is bcuz for wateva so called person meant....There was nothin deep like that in supporting the team..!


And useless arguing anymore coz wateva said.., u neva eva agree some points..u omit it and start another topic......Sad abt it..and have witnessed this in EK b4 too...!

.:: PEACE-OUT::.

*U=thoppiya hari nam daganna;)

It's all depend on the intention of the person who post the thread. When one can clearly see what his ulterior motivation is, this is the respond you get.

[eram1334]

You cannot critisize the givernment without knowing what is politics, you cannot critisize doctors. because you do not know medicine, you cannot critisize atrist, because you have not perfected it.

What a joke! have a life!


eka waradak kerana menihakuta baa ea waradama kerane thawa minihekwa vivachanaya karanna.

mas kane boudayakuta baa mas kana muslim kenekwa vivachanaya karanna.

mas nokan boudayak palamuwa vivachanaya kalayouthe mas kana boudayanwai, ehama nathuwa mas kana muslim waru gana pamanak vivachanaya karala wadak natha.

[eram1334]

You have become the king numpty of the thread. Do you know what is scrubbing, and why it is done prior to a surgery? Why they wear gloves? can that dirty beard pushed in to a glove, or can it be scrubbed? I am ROFL.


I am not trying to disrespect any ones believing, but fact you point out cannot be ignored

What a lousy example you have provided!!:shocked: :shocked:

Now you are bringing the religion in to this topic, involve with cleanliness at the OT. That is what exactly Walbada was trying to point out.

I have witnessed how those pilgrims clean themselves before entering the mosque for Jumma. And Where they get water to wash there hands.

As a person who lives in 21st century, if you define it as clean, man, I am sorry for you..



Muslims may clean their bodies 5 times a day.. but none of us dip our whole body in the antiseptic 5 times a day right?

Especially a simple wash at the door step of the mosque is not sufficient for a surgeon! I hope you can understand it.. the point here is the more facial hair you have the more dust particles it retains... can you control it? I don't think so! The more alien particles it gathers the more it becomes dirty this is as simple as that! are you denying it?

A normal human being probably could neglect it, but for a surgeon these things are very important because they are responsible of someone's life! You've got to admit that there is a risk here in this case!

As for a normal Muslim I guess according what they believe its fine!

I know Muslims respect their religion, but there are certain situations in life that the risk is just not worth it.. and for surgeons this applies everyday.. that's the difference!



what mean is

becous of five time cleaning normal muslims are cleaner than others

all doctors know what to do before entering to OT,muslim doctors are take more care about it becouse clenness is a must in the islam.

so many ppl explain about this but if you can not trust a muslim surgon complain to the hospital management or health ministrythey will take necessary actions

[eram1334]

Also I thought its worth mentioning one of my real life experience... Last time when I was in SL, I took my grandmother for an eye operation she could not see because her eye was covered by the whitish substance (I dont know the real name) anyway next to my grand mother's bed was another old man, probably same age as my grandmother and he is a Sinhalese from Anuradhapura he had beard probably a foot long... and he has come for the same operation..

And on the day that the doctor visited the patients he said to that old man that he MUST shave before the eye operation, and ofcourse he wasn't happy because it is his appearance which is according to him is very important.... and he was wondering what an eye operation got to do with a beard.. and there I am thinking what if this was a Muslim patient...

I know Muslims respect their religion, but there are certain situations in life that the risk is just not worth it.. and for surgeons this applies everyday.. that's the difference!

if doctor says's "the patients must shave before the sugary otherwise not possible to do the surgary" then islam allows to do shaving.

[eram1334]

PANATHI PHATA WERA MANI SIQQAPDAN SAMADIYAMI
MAMA PRANA GHATHNAYEN WALAKEE SITIMI

1

MALU, KUKULLU Prane noveda?.ea gana katha nokaranne manda?

2

wature wale giveen giwathwey ea wathura unu karanawita ea giveen ge pranaya ghathanaya kara unu watura ho tea bonnemu.
unuwatura ho tea bona kenekuta NIVAN labiya nohakida?

3

apa kawruth dannemu gass/wal walatah pranayak thibe esenam
goyam gasse pranaya ghathanayakara haal labagena bath kame kese dakkinneda?
elawalu kame kese sadaranikaranaya keranneda?



4

oba ediriye L.T.T.E. maragena marena ghathakeyek siti, obata ohu bombaya pipiraweemata pera ohuwa ghathanaya kirime hakiyawk athai sithamu.

oba ohuwa gathanaya karranneda?
nathinam
"mama prana ghathanaya nokarami" "sathuratatha maithri karami" pawasa
ohuta bombaya piparaweemate ida harinneda?

[Hunter]

Originally Posted by sri_lion
Also I thought its worth mentioning one of my real life experience... Last time when I was in SL, I took my grandmother for an eye operation she could not see because her eye was covered by the whitish substance (I dont know the real name) anyway next to my grand mother's bed was another old man, probably same age as my grandmother and he is a Sinhalese from Anuradhapura he had beard probably a foot long... and he has come for the same operation..

And on the day that the doctor visited the patients he said to that old man that he MUST shave before the eye operation, and ofcourse he wasn't happy because it is his appearance which is according to him is very important.... and he was wondering what an eye operation got to do with a beard.. and there I am thinking what if this was a Muslim patient...

I know Muslims respect their religion, but there are certain situations in life that the risk is just not worth it.. and for surgeons this applies everyday.. that's the difference!
Jus cmon. Frankly tell what were u thinking? He'll go and slam the Surgoen?or wat?

You just taking some incident and applying it to the whole muslim community. This is what arouse religious problems in this country. One or two people with views like this can cause a huge problem.

Does islam say that shaving is prohibited?
If the patients beard has to be shaved and theres no choice. What else can the patient do?He has to shave it ryt? He's free to think. Its his choice. he can shave it and do the sugery or he can avoid it. Thats his choice.

[just]

Lord Buddha also talks about cause and effect... as long as there is a cause there will be an effect..
actually my question was if you didnt understand "who makes sure that particular affect will only occur for that particular couse. in another way why doesnt this system get messedup"..we all know cause and affect in fact all religions and science based on it.

Now coming back to how its related to the evolution! Animals are DUMB! Human is more intelligent but still not intelligent enough.. or not evolved enough to avoid SINS.. but they are certainly capable of doing that all it takes is discipline and the correct way! If human evolves into not creating causes or SINS then eventually all humans will come to a state of mind that they will see no reason of being born again and again just to go through the same life process again and again! interesting!!! you are assuming Evolution is a law here and taking it as the base, can i know is this your personel view or view of buddism?no its not its a theory made by human being obviousely can go wrong.

in fact Alfred Russel Wallace leading evalutionist in 19th century who proposed natural selection theory before darwin, and considered the "father of biogeography" said "the unseen universe of Spirit" had interceded at least three times in history: The first was the creation of life from inorganic matter. The second was the introduction of consciousness in the higher animals, and the third was the generation of the higher mental faculties in mankind
source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Russel_Wallace#Differences_between_Darwin.2 7s_and_Wallace.27s_ideas_on_natural_selection

if you need i can give you names of evolutionist who think otherwise than darwin.so if one days its proved evalutions wrong then would you think "NIRVANA" also cannot be achieved - answer please

do you or buddism accepts survival of the fittest, as part of the evalution theory as well - answer please

Ex: What happened to Sadaam Hussain? He killed then he got killed... ok if that explains. then how would explain what happened to innocent little monks when LTTE massacered in anuradapura sri maha bodiya. we saw the effect but where was the cause?you say we just think they deserved it?- answer please

I just told Fazaal that you have a habit of discussing religious issues.. are you not? yes i do.is that wrong to discuss religion within the boundries? i never insulted or intended to insulted to any religion including yours. if so please show me and i'm not ashamed to apoligize for it publicly in the forum from each and every person follows that religion. we all make mistakes..

It's all depend on the intention of the person who post the thread. When one can clearly see what his ulterior motivation is, this is the respond you get. dont blame the person who made the knife cos some idiot used it to murder someone.there are lots of good things all can get from the interview.and please share your secret of reading other ppls minds if can :lol::lol:

[Hunter]

Lord Buddha has shown a path for you to live free, but as for his teachings.. This life how long it may take will and must end in Niravana!

That is.. if and when you are ready to work towards it... So Lord buddha has shown 2 paths....

1. For people whom are ready to take the path where you can attain Niravana

2. For people whom are not ready yet but thinking more of surviving their current life

So its up to the Individual, Buddhism's teachings will not change... if you are living in North Pole or South Pole if you must kill to live you may kill but it will still have consequences and it is still considered as a SIN!!

Because you chose the path that you do not wish to attain NIRVANA just yet.. but to survive your current life!!! And if somebody wants to attain NIRVANA then it doesn't matter he is in the North or South pole he can always make a commitment and travel to a place where he can full fill the criteria of what's required to attain NIRAVANA!

You commit yourself.. then you get it.... just like every other things in Nature works! NO GOD gonna give you salvation... you work for yourself, if you do good deeds it will do good for you and vise-versa

Like they say... Nothing great has ever archived without a little SWEAT!!

So most of the buddhists are Half Buddhists is it? They can take wateva they want from the religion and throw away the unnecessary ?
Even liquor is prohibited i Buddhism ryt? But who consumes liqour the most in Sri Lanka?

And to attain nirvana he has to travel to another country where he can do it. What about the people who cannot afford it. Oh poor them.

And some ppl think that killing animals is only the cow. There are so many.

Fish, Chicken too..!!

And even egg..! I have seen people saying that theyre vegitarian.but they eat egg. Thats also killing an animal. ISnt it??

And there are more than that , that we should consider abt Killing animals.

[Hunter]

ok if that explains. then how would explain what happened to innocent little monks when LTTE massacered in anuradapura sri maha bodiya. we saw the effect but where was the cause?you say we just think they deserved it?- answer please

and What about Mahathma Gandhi?Did he Kill anyone:eek:
[QUOTE]
yes i do.is that wrong to discuss religion within the boundries? i never insulted or intended to insulted to any religion including yours. if so please show me and i'm not ashamed to apoligize for it publicly in the forum from each and every person follows that religion. we all make mistakes..

Its not u the one who should be blamed. :no:
Its The Respective person who started talking in a Shitting Way.
You'll see his attitude the way he has commented throughout the thread;)

[Hunter]

PANATHI PHATA WERA MANI SIQQAPDAN SAMADIYAMI
MAMA PRANA GHATHNAYEN WALAKEE SITIMI

1

MALU, KUKULLU Prane noveda?.ea gana katha nokaranne manda?

2

wature wale giveen giwathwey ea wathura unu karanawita ea giveen ge pranaya ghathanaya kara unu watura ho tea bonnemu.
unuwatura ho tea bona kenekuta NIVAN labiya nohakida?

3

apa kawruth dannemu gass/wal walatah pranayak thibe esenam
goyam gasse pranaya ghathanayakara haal labagena bath kame kese dakkinneda?
elawalu kame kese sadaranikaranaya keranneda?



4

oba ediriye L.T.T.E. maragena marena ghathakeyek siti, obata ohu bombaya pipiraweemata pera ohuwa ghathanaya kirime hakiyawk athai sithamu.

oba ohuwa gathanaya karranneda?
nathinam
"mama prana ghathanaya nokarami" "sathuratatha maithri karami" pawasa
ohuta bombaya piparaweemate ida harinneda?

haha..maxxa machan...

Ai maalu kukullu witahrak nemei.Bithtarath Prana gaathanayak ne.Eth eewa lokuwata penne nehe. Paw wade.:lol:
Prana Gathanaya kiyala baluwoth machan mokuth karanna behe.Ai wathura unu karannath behe. Prana gathanaya wenawa oona tharam.

[TΞΞNSTAR™]

PANATHI PHATA WERA MANI SIQQAPDAN SAMADIYAMI
MAMA PRANA GHATHNAYEN WALAKEE SITIMI

1

MALU, KUKULLU Prane noveda?.ea gana katha nokaranne manda?

2

wature wale giveen giwathwey ea wathura unu karanawita ea giveen ge pranaya ghathanaya kara unu watura ho tea bonnemu.
unuwatura ho tea bona kenekuta NIVAN labiya nohakida?

3

apa kawruth dannemu gass/wal walatah pranayak thibe esenam
goyam gasse pranaya ghathanayakara haal labagena bath kame kese dakkinneda?
elawalu kame kese sadaranikaranaya keranneda?



4

oba ediriye L.T.T.E. maragena marena ghathakeyek siti, obata ohu bombaya pipiraweemata pera ohuwa ghathanaya kirime hakiyawk athai sithamu.

oba ohuwa gathanaya karranneda?
nathinam
"mama prana ghathanaya nokarami" "sathuratatha maithri karami" pawasa
ohuta bombaya piparaweemate ida harinneda?

Maxxxxxxxxxxaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa machn...................

[sri_lion]

actually my question was if you didnt understand "who makes sure that particular affect will only occur for that particular couse. in another way why doesnt this system get messedup"..we all know cause and affect in fact all religions and science based on it.

How can it get messed up? if there's no root cause will there be any effect? Are you suggesting that there is "someone" that's responsible who's doing this? If you say all religions and science based on it then how can you think that there's "someone" is responsible will science support your "someone" theory?

The cause and the effect of the world is right in front your eyes its happening now and it has happened before and lord Buddha only did highlight it to the human being and gave them something to think about, to think about where they wanna end the journey in the long run!

interesting!!! you are assuming Evolution is a law here and taking it as the base, can i know is this your personel view or view of buddism?no its not its a theory made by human being obviousely can go wrong.

I'm not assuming anything! Evolution is not a theory anymore.. ITS A FACT!

Well its good that you bought the topic about "the unseen universe of Spirit", well I must say here... all religions and their theories can be tested until death.. they all including Buddhism has theories of what happens after death but nobody no matter what religion you are will not know for sure what exactly will happen.... so unseen spirits remain to be tested and lets focus on seen circumstances and religion's theories on them!

All I can do is relate teachings of Lord Buddha to the modern human teachings and explain it from there!! Do you have a better way of explaining something other than relate it already proven theories? If so please let me know!

[/B]do you or buddism accepts survival of the fittest, as part of the evalution theory as well - answer please

And yes! Buddhism accepts the survival of the fittest very much! But in Buddhism "fittest" in human relate to our mind! Unlike Animals, human can innovate and evolve into their innovations.. that's mind! Because one big difference between human and other living beings is that other living beings totally depend on their physical abilities to survive and less of intelligence but human is not!

Ex: Animals will only allow breeding of the fittest if you are a lion you need fight and prove you are strong to reproduce, but humans are not..... every one of us breed regardless of any issues! so there's a difference when it comes to humans..why? because of the MIND!!!

in fact Alfred Russel Wallace leading evalutionist in 19th century who proposed natural selection theory before darwin, and considered the "father of biogeography" said "the unseen universe of Spirit" had interceded at least three times in history: The first was the creation of life from inorganic matter. The second was the introduction of consciousness in the higher animals, and the third was the generation of the higher mental faculties in mankind
source:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Russel_Wallace#Differences_between_Darwin.2 7s_and_Wallace.27s_ideas_on_natural_selection

if you need i can give you names of evolutionist who think otherwise than darwin.

You can gives names and addresses of evolutionists all you want but don't forget to mention about their theories and whether it has proven or not...

so if one days its proved evalutions wrong then would you think "NIRVANA" also cannot be achieved - [B]answer please

YES! If Evolution is wrong then where's human? where did human come from?

ok if that explains. then how would explain what happened to innocent little monks when LTTE massacered in anuradapura sri maha bodiya. we saw the effect but where was the cause?you say we just think they deserved it?- answer please

Should MONKS be treated any different when it comes to world order as in cause and effect? And when it comes to cause and effect can this only happen to each individual? why can't a cause of group of people not have an effect too? Like I said undesirable cause creates undesirable effects... govt. wage WAR and kill LTTE.. no matter they are enemy or not the cause is not desirable since it involves killing and the above mentioned situation is the effect...that's one explanation and possibility!

Also if you are wondering then how does this accounts for each person that got killed, well.. in Buddhism this is called "Reproductive Karma" which is actually the amount of Karma that you bring over to your current life from the previous which causes an effect that is another possibility!

Else it could also be that each or some persons behavior in this life time resulted in this situation...So you need to find what were those monks behavior in this life time or the past life to be conclusive! If they did good deeds in this life time then it surely a product they bought over that resulted in their own destruction!

And this in Buddhism is called "Destructive Karma"!

yes i do.is that wrong to discuss religion within the boundries? i never insulted or intended to insulted to any religion including yours. if so please show me and i'm not ashamed to apoligize for it publicly in the forum from each and every person follows that religion. we all make mistakes..

These issues will never be discussed within boundaries, certainly not in an internet forum where most of us are anonymous!

[sri_lion]

PANATHI PHATA WERA MANI SIQQAPDAN SAMADIYAMI
MAMA PRANA GHATHNAYEN WALAKEE SITIMI

1

MALU, KUKULLU Prane noveda?.ea gana katha nokaranne manda?

2

wature wale giveen giwathwey ea wathura unu karanawita ea giveen ge pranaya ghathanaya kara unu watura ho tea bonnemu.
unuwatura ho tea bona kenekuta NIVAN labiya nohakida?

3

apa kawruth dannemu gass/wal walatah pranayak thibe esenam
goyam gasse pranaya ghathanayakara haal labagena bath kame kese dakkinneda?
elawalu kame kese sadaranikaranaya keranneda?


haha..maxxa machan...

Ai maalu kukullu witahrak nemei.Bithtarath Prana gaathanayak ne.Eth eewa lokuwata penne nehe. Paw wade.:lol:
Prana Gathanaya kiyala baluwoth machan mokuth karanna behe.Ai wathura unu karannath behe. Prana gathanaya wenawa oona tharam.

Where is your question? What exactly are you asking?:lol:

Although I must say.. according to Buddhism you must complete 5 things before you are guilty of "Panathipatha Weramani"

1. You must know it is alive
2. You must have the thought of killing it
3. You make a plan to kill it
4. You execute the plan
5. then you kill it using your plan!

if these 5 criteria is met then you are officially guilty! So you can think about without barking mad...

I don't see any question here! Just some lame remarks directed generally at Buddhists!:lol:

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oba ediriye L.T.T.E. maragena marena ghathakeyek siti, obata ohu bombaya pipiraweemata pera ohuwa ghathanaya kirime hakiyawk athai sithamu.

oba ohuwa gathanaya karranneda?
nathinam
"mama prana ghathanaya nokarami" "sathuratatha maithri karami" pawasa
ohuta bombaya piparaweemate ida harinneda?

Muslim Palliyak athulata maragena marena gahaniyak kada pani!

Hamuda sebalek thuwakkuwak athe thaba gena gahaniya ta kurumanma allai!

Dan.....

1. Hamuda sebala "Panathi Patha" gana sitha ara ahinsaka Muslim minisunwa ara gahaniyage bombayata goduru kala yuthuda?

2.. Thamage "Panathi Patha" itu nokirimen thamata wena wipakaya gana nositha ara minisun muda gatha uthuda?

Obe Pilithura balaporothtuwemi.....

[sri_lion]

Jus cmon. Frankly tell what were u thinking? He'll go and slam the Surgoen?or wat?

You just taking some incident and applying it to the whole muslim community. This is what arouse religious problems in this country. One or two people with views like this can cause a huge problem.

Does islam say that shaving is prohibited?
If the patients beard has to be shaved and theres no choice. What else can the patient do?He has to shave it ryt? He's free to think. Its his choice. he can shave it and do the sugery or he can avoid it. Thats his choice.

Is that what you think we'd do?

I was thinking if it was a Muslim patient then how difficult it would be the surgeon to ask for it!! Since it was a Sinhalese Buddhist he just tell it to the face!!

Don't JUMP into conclusions.. not everybody think the way you think! :lol:

[sri_lion]

So most of the buddhists are Half Buddhists is it? They can take wateva they want from the religion and throw away the unnecessary ?

That's being practical, Buddhism doesn't force you to follow religion.. it doesn't blind fold you you are always free to use your mind and analyze Buddhism and if you think its true them you follow!

Why do you say its unnecessary? Its clear that if you wanna attain Nirvana then follow the path highlighted for it.. else if you are not ready then you live your life but still Buddhism has an answer to that as well... To make your day-to-day lives better!

The misconception here you have is you think Buddhist means they are forced to archive Nirvana.. well.. NO! You can be a Buddhist and lead a good life too!

Even liquor is prohibited i Buddhism ryt? But who consumes liqour the most in Sri Lanka?

True! Buddhism does not accept liquor, but if you use it.. it is you who will suffer! so if you got no problem suffering then consume all you want..:lol: the problem here is when your religion force you to adhere to it then you tend to not see the other religion's doctrines!

And to attain nirvana he has to travel to another country where he can do it. What about the people who cannot afford it. Oh poor them.

Attaining NIRVANA as described by Lord Buddha is not an overnight process! Yes! if they have no way of setting the environment to achieve or work towards NIRVANA then the process may delay by a single life time!

And some ppl think that killing animals is only the cow. There are so many.

Fish, Chicken too..!!

And even egg..! I have seen people saying that theyre vegitarian.but they eat egg. Thats also killing an animal. ISnt it??

And there are more than that , that we should consider abt Killing animals.

Read the Interview on the 1st page then you will get your answer!:rolleyes:

Some do not eat beef not because any religious issues, because as a payback to that animal whom helped us Sri Lankans especially Sinhalese to get up on our feet! That's just gratitude.. not religion!

People whom were not part it.. will NOT UNDERSTAND IT!! As Simple as that!!

[sri_lion]

Maxxxxxxxxxxaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa machn...................



Anymore Scientific Articles? :lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl: :rofl:

[TΞΞNSTAR™]

Anymore Scientific Articles? :lol: :lol: :lol: :rofl: :rofl:

U dnt hav answers for the answers i asked.. so its better to keep shut than argueing about the foolish points of yours..

find the answers and reply...

if not.. hope it will b THE END.........:yes::yes::yes:

[sri_lion]

U dnt hav answers for the answers i asked.. so its better to keep shut than argueing about the foolish points of yours..

find the answers and reply...

if not.. hope it will b THE END.........:yes::yes::yes:

Dont get angry now! :lol: If you think my points are foolish then you can always give your intelligent answers! :lol:

What Questions? Where?:lol: Mind showing me?

[TΞΞNSTAR™]

Dont get angry now! :lol: If you think my points are foolish then you can always give your intelligent answers! :lol:

What Questions? Where?:lol: Mind showing me?

Anyway ur Monks cant ever reply to the questions which is questioned by the Reporter.. so hw can i expect answers from you... :lol::lol::lol::lol:

[sri_lion]

Anyway ur Monks cant ever reply to the questions which is questioned by the Reporter.. so hw can i expect answers from you... :lol::lol::lol::lol:

Try me!:lol:

Also would'nt it be better.. if you think the monk actually didn't answer properly.. highlight what are the points that monks didn't answer properly and maybe you could enlighten us by an answer from Islamic perception to it.. that would be great..

So there you go.. a good opportunity to teach us about your faith!

[phantomzone]

machanla oya okkoma dharma(christianity,buddhism,islamic,hindu) walata wada loku swabhaawadharmayai.......
nathnam ape kattiya yana pansal , palli gaaane hatiyata oya tsunami wage ewa enne nathi wenna ona..:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
anika lankaawe minissu adahana total deviyo gaana baluwama mage ammoo me thiyena okkoma prasna iwara karanna puluwanne...:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :P:P

[TΞΞNSTAR™]

K before i point out those things please spare some time to watch these videos by Dr.Zakir Naik...

hope u will understand the truth ....

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[fanci]

dont blame the person who made the knife cos some idiot used it to murder someone.there are lots of good things all can get from the interview.and please share your secret of reading other ppls minds if can :lol::lol:

What if that person made was a dagger?, Is it for gardening or cooking?:confused:

Even a kindergarten child has the ability to understand that. :nerd:

[sri_lion]

[B]K before i point out those things please spare some time to watch these videos by Dr.Zakir Naik...

hope u will understand the truth ....

Here's some of Dr.Zakir Naik's points!

1. All herbivore's have flat teeth

Wrong! then how about hippopotamus, elephants? do they eat meat too? Take a look at their teeth structure!

2. Taking Rama's example

Rama is from Ramayana which is unproven folk story..:lol:

3. Plant's can feel pain

Plant's feel something and that's proved.. but how do you know its pain? Does plant's have a conscious mind to tell that?

4. If your brother's 2 senses are gone then killing him is lesser crime or bigger crime than killing a plant?

Totally flawed here! What ever senses your brother have lost as long as he is conscious and his brain sense is working killing him is a crime.. this is the difference between plants and living animals! Very Simple! I don't know how a Dr. could not see it!

5. People whom eating pork have "tires" and fat

This doctor never seen Chinese I guess! :lol:

6. Shouldn't have alcohol because its decease sold everywhere!

How about smoking? why do Muslim's smoke then? When smoking not only makes you sick but everyone else around you too! Does Koran accept smoking is that why Muslim's smoke?

Last but not least I would like to ask this as well...

Most of the Dr. Naik's points that he draws from Koran to Science are correct, but then those things were known to human long long time ago! What is so special then?

And how did the Koran became available in the 1st place?

[just]

Quote:
Originally Posted by just
so if one days its proved evalutions wrong then would you think "NIRVANA" also cannot be achieved - [b]answer please
YES! If Evolution is wrong then where's human? where did human come from?
ok good ;)

first YOU ARE ASSUMING BRO!!! evalution is JUST another theory not proven, not a law or even a FACT as you claim. fact is truth known by actual experience or observation. its just its more popular among ppl dan other theories thats all.last time i checked no one seen monkey turning into a man...:eek:

further more you itself claimed Now coming back to how its related to the evolution! Animals are DUMB! Human is more intelligent but still not intelligent enough.. so how can you know that not intelligent enough mans thories are 100% true, he can always make mistakes right.

...lets focus on seen circumstances and religion's theories on them! so thats the buddisms theory on seen circumstances? based on a thoery that a not intelligent enough man made?can be a mistake right?now thats a FACT!!!

then where's human? where did human come from? i guess you can believe whatever your mind says correct.wat im sure here is Evalution cant taken seriouse enough to make decisions about your life, except when you dont care about it..;)

And yes! Buddhism accepts the survival of the fittest very much! But in Buddhism "fittest" in human relate to our mind! Unlike Animals, human can innovate and evolve into their innovations.. that's mind! Because one big difference between human and other living beings is that other living beings totally depend on their physical abilities to survive and less of intelligence but human is not! just for my clarification.now say a human is demoted to a animals standard due to his bad deeds.animals are less intelligent creatures so when a human itself cant figure what "karma" made him born in this life animals obviousely wont even have atom of n idea.so how does it get itself promoted? isnt it stuck or even in a downfall cos now it has to fight for survival as well?

Should MONKS be treated any different when it comes to world order as in cause and effect?... so basically justice will be served for everyone (this raises my 1st question about what if it doesnt? but i assume you wont go beyond cause affect for that)...
so just for my clarification again..
how would you imagine a ruling system to say if the honarable monks be the leaders of the country or buddism at its pinnacle in a country. all laws will be taken off letting cause and affect decide how things should happen?
or buddism never will go that far cos it doesnt focus on that path?
in other words there wont be any actual buddist countries practically

Thanks

[sri_lion]

ok good ;)first YOU ARE ASSUMING BRO!!! evalution is JUST another theory not proven, not a law or even a FACT as you claim. fact is truth known by actual experience or observation. its just its more popular among ppl dan other theories thats all.last time:

Ok! if you say evolution is not the process that made our world so diverse then what made it? What's your view on this? I would really like to know.. because I can give enough proof that evolution is what made us! Lets hear yours now!

i checked no one seen monkey turning into a man...:eek

:lol: Well.. this proves your knowledge about evolution, you are commenting as if you lived long enough to see them turning into humans! As a matter of fact Chimps does have 99% similarity to of Human DNA!! How would you explain that? I mean how is it possible?

so how can you know that not intelligent enough mans thories are 100% true, he can always make mistakes right.

Correct! Then same goes to you as well :lol: on the other hand to tell whether a theory is 100% true or not you must know what is the 100%, so do know? If so I'd like to listen!

so thats the buddisms theory on seen circumstances? based on a thoery that a not intelligent enough man made?can be a mistake right?now thats a FACT!!!

How did you figure out he is intelligent or not in the first place?

i guess you can believe whatever your mind says correct.wat im sure here is Evalution cant taken seriouse enough to make decisions about your life, except when you dont care about it..

That's not the answer to my question! I asked you where do you think the man / human come from? Tell us where you think how the birth of human began?

just for my clarification.now say a human is demoted to a animals standard due to his bad deeds.animals are less intelligent creatures so when a human itself cant figure what "karma" made him born in this life animals obviousely wont even have atom of n idea.so how does it get itself promoted? isnt it stuck or even in a downfall cos now it has to fight for survival as well?

2 things here..

1. Like I said earlier...we do not know what happens after death, neither science can prove it nor religions, can human after death be born as an animal that is yet to be clarified...when some day if someone clarifies then this question is valid!

2. Even if it is true, then why would animal care about religion but rather care about its own survival?

so basically justice will be served for everyone (this raises my 1st question about what if it doesnt? but i assume you wont go beyond cause affect for that)...

Exactly.. that's the answer you can expect.. which I don't wanna repeat again & again!

how would you imagine a ruling system to say if the honarable monks be the leaders of the country or buddism at its pinnacle in a country. all laws will be taken off letting cause and affect decide how things should happen?
or buddism never will go that far cos it doesnt focus on that path?
in other words there wont be any actual buddist countries practically

Why do you think cause and effect is only a monks business? Cause and effect is the world order... govt. put laws (the cause) to make an effect.. this is the very thing I'm trying to say human can create their own cause for good or for bad!

On your 2nd point, you speak some truth... I personally dont believe that Buddhist should be mixed around with politics its not the pure core of Buddhism.. but in Sri Lanka Buddhism is strongly mixed with race and race is politics so does Buddhism! Such as in Saudi its mixed with Islam whatever decision taken will be upon their religion!

Personally I'm not a big fan of it, but then again that's how it works all around the world.

;)

[just]

Ok! if you say evolution is not the process that made our world so diverse then what made it? What's your view on this? I would really like to know.. because I can give enough proof that evolution is what made us! Lets hear yours now! That’s the biggest question we all trying to figure out. The best way to find a solution is to get rid of points that don’t support the path.

I’m not suggesting anything just trying to figure which ones doesn’t lead to the path.

You say evolution is a proof that man can attain “NIRVANA” and I see major problems in it cos evolution is just a theory and obviously can be a mistake.

To prove your point you say
“...As a matter of fact Chimps does have 99% similarity to of Human DNA!! How would you explain that? I mean how is it possible?.. it sounds like a chimp will make a trip to mars on its own very soon. This is the exact reason I say evolution is popular thus closer to ppl than other theories. But I don’t have to tell you what the intelligent gap between humans and chimps...but all living things has share similarities in some way.some less and some more except for intelling where theres a humongus gap.

How did you figure out he is intelligent or not in the first place? I didn’t figure bro you did in your previous post please check. Your questions contradicting.
Now coming back to how its related to the evolution! Animals are DUMB! Human is more intelligent but still not intelligent enough… Ok we both don’t know wats 100%, agreed. But at least we can agree upon humans will make mistakes. That’s what I wanted to tell. I hope you agree. when science advances previous theories are proved wrong. So what if evolutions not true, a mistake. Don’t you think the risk you taking by depending on it is a major one? cos as you itself say one have to live millions of years to see it.

Very important point here
Why do you think cause and effect is only a monks business? Cause and effect is the world order... govt. put laws (the cause) to make an effect...This is the very thing I'm trying to say human can create their own cause for good or for bad! govt. put laws (the cause) to make an effect.. Exactly.
Likewise my boss puts the laws (cause) to run the office according to his system. Principle puts the laws and runs the school that effects students.
Programmer puts a set of law on the computer system implementing cause and affect in the software…etc so where ever there is a cause effect, there seems a system that makes sure its implemented correctly and importantly has someone who has setup the system.

so don’t you wonder how can there be no one to put the laws to nature,cos it seems functioning flawlessly…I think its more logical than even evolution. Isn’t it fair to think if one can figure out evolution then he should be able to think this more easily?

frankly would like to know you never ponder in that point?


2 things here..

1. Like I said earlier...we do not know what happens after death, neither science can prove it nor religions, can human after death be born as an animal that is yet to be clarified...when some day if someone clarifies then this question is valid!

2. Even if it is true, then why would animal care about religion but rather care about its own survival? i'm sorry din get your first point here. as i know this is wat buddism says (correct me if wrong), or you dont believe in it?

thanks

forgot to answer this

That's not the answer to my question! I asked you where do you think the man / human come from? Tell us where you think how the birth of human began? humans are born by human egg and a human sperm. and if you ask how the 1st one came, definitely not by coincidence/ mistake.
can i know do you believe in it personelly or its the viewpoint of buddism?

thanks

[aye_sha90]

:(:(

[sri_lion]

That’s the biggest question we all trying to figure out. The best way to find a solution is to get rid of points that don’t support the path.

I’m not suggesting anything just trying to figure which ones doesn’t lead to the path.

You say evolution is a proof that man can attain “NIRVANA” and I see major problems in it cos evolution is just a theory and obviously can be a mistake.

So you are saying evolution is not the way, instead we are all still trying find out what it is? So you have no idea of what made us?

1st of all, the evolution was theorized by Darwin in the 1830's at that time the things you are telling could be true, he only had a theory.. but very less supportive evidence to prove it... now I don't have to tell you that how things were in 1830's and you yourself said that not only Darwin there were other theories that were presented by other people as well... fine!

Now how did as science advance they only select Darwin's theory? Darwin's theory was a theory until now, but it has been already proved by science and have we seen any other theories used to explain the birth of all living species? Darwin's theory back in the days was not PERFECT, because of many limitations at that time maybe..but when science grew into analyzing molecular levels this has further been prove right by what scientists call Modern evolutionary synthesis, Darwin's theory was further refined by modern science yet since he is the person who guided science into that arena in the 1st place we still call it Darwin's theory and also what he mentioned without conclusive evidence has been proved with conclusive evidence now!

You can go on telling evolution is just a theory and I can keep on going its not, the only difference is you do not have any conclusive evidence as to why you are saying its not!

for example.. I would like to know...

1. How do we inherit certain biological features from our parents?
2. How does species adopt?

looking at your comments I can only think of one thing.. that is you do not know how we came here but maybe you think someone make us appear here? If you think that way then.. I give up.. because there's no point of talking if that's the case.. if not, then lets hear how you think the birth of species began!

it sounds like a chimp will make a trip to mars on its own very soon. This is the exact reason I say evolution is popular thus closer to ppl than other theories. But I don’t have to tell you what the intelligent gap between humans and chimps...but all living things has share similarities in some way.some less and some more except for intelling where theres a humongus gap.

Infact Chips have attended space programs! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ham_the_Chimp) :lol:

Anyway....so how do you think there's gap between humans and animals? Its definitely not something you can buy from a grocery store!

I didn’t figure bro you did in your previous post please check. Your questions contradicting.

Ok! what I wanted to point is... you said Buddhism is based on a thoery that a not intelligent enough man made!

So I'm asking you, to whom did you compare to say Lord Buddha is intelligent or not? You must have compared him to something or someone to come to that conclusion!

Ok we both don’t know wats 100%, agreed. But at least we can agree upon humans will make mistakes. That’s what I wanted to tell. I hope you agree. when science advances previous theories are proved wrong. So what if evolutions not true, a mistake. Don’t you think the risk you taking by depending on it is a major one? cos as you itself say one have to live millions of years to see it.

Yes! Human can make mistakes, but human can correct them too, unlike animals human can correct them faster.. because human is intelligent!

What if evolution is false? will Buddhism be wrong too? How can I answer you without knowing which element will supersede evolution.. you tell me what can topple evolution then I'll tell you what will happen to Buddhism!

govt. put laws (the cause) to make an effect.. Exactly.
Likewise my boss puts the laws (cause) to run the office according to his system. Principle puts the laws and runs the school that effects students.
Programmer puts a set of law on the computer system implementing cause and affect in the software…etc so where ever there is a cause effect, there seems a system that makes sure its implemented correctly and importantly has someone who has setup the system.

Only one word... ADVANCE MIND!


so don’t you wonder how can there be no one to put the laws to nature,cos it seems functioning flawlessly…I think its more logical than even evolution. Isn’t it fair to think if one can figure out evolution then he should be able to think this more easily?

frankly would like to know you never ponder in that point?

So you think nature's law and evolution is 2 different things? then can you explain to me what is nature's law and what is evolution in your terms? Then it would be easier for me to direct an answer!

i'm sorry din get your first point here. as i know this is wat buddism says (correct me if wrong), or you dont believe in it?

thanks

forgot to answer this

Yes! this is what Buddhism says, but how can I know it is true or false? You suggest me a way.. then I'll try to find out! I'm more interested in what Buddhism say about what you can do while you are living!

humans are born by human egg and a human sperm. and if you ask how the 1st one came, definitely not by coincidence/ mistake.
can i know do you believe in it personelly or its the viewpoint of buddism?

Didnt see this question..

In Buddhism, any element consists of a one or mixture of these main elements

1. Patavi (solids)
2. Apo(liquids)
3. Thejo(temperature)
4. Vayo (gas)

So these are the building blocks of life, including human!

[Wal Bada]

eka waradak kerana menihakuta baa ea waradama kerane thawa minihekwa vivachanaya karanna.

mas kane boudayakuta baa mas kana muslim kenekwa vivachanaya karanna.

mas nokan boudayak palamuwa vivachanaya kalayouthe mas kana boudayanwai, ehama nathuwa mas kana muslim waru gana pamanak vivachanaya karala wadak natha.Methana prashne mas kanawada nedda kiyana eka neweyi, Methana mama wiwecanaya kale Muslim aya smahara sirith atha arinna akamathikama gena. Rawula wawana eka eken ekak. Puluwan nam oya theory eka ekatath daala balanna.

[Wal Bada]

so many ppl explain about this but if you can not trust a muslim surgon complain to the hospital management or health ministrythey will take necessary actionsWhen Health minister is a muslim, like Fowzie, then what?

[just]

i dont know about you.but I feel really good about this, to reach this far…I should say this must be one of the farst points I could go with a Buddhist. And should be frank I personally had a negative picture of you after our 1st discussion and I think I was not correct, now.

I know we couldn’t find answers to any burning cosmological questions but I expected it. but what I wanted to know is can a discussion about religion go to end without the usual bashing and thrashings. don’t think its useless cos just as the interview in the start I know it has triggered questions and maybe that could trigger thinking which we both can agree a good thing.

Of cos there were a negative side as well but I think that’s the way it is, but I really feel good..

OK this is where it should end up for sure..
looking at your comments I can only think of one thing.. that is you do not know how we came here but maybe you think someone make us appear here? If you think that way then.. I give up.. because there's no point of talking if that's the case.. if not, then lets hear how you think the birth of species began! Yes obviously following my arguments will show I never can accept the theory of “SOMETHING CAME FROM NOTHING” personally, it seems unscientific and illogical to me in every possible way. Maybe even you think so according to this statement…MAYBE NOT...


How can it get messed up? if there's no root cause will there be any effect? (http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1727337&postcount=141)...
Uh the chimp thing you missed my statement I guess.”on its own” doesn’t mean sandwiching one into rocket and shooting to space…that’s ok people still make mistakes I no…

Anyways finally I need some points cleared hope you’ll have time for this too. Since we came this far it wouldn’t be complete without these…

You said all elements consist of 4 things.

What about these stuff, spirit, soul, sense (not thinking), feelings (science thinks its chemical reactions)..
You believe these are part of evolution?
Science totally rejects soul that I know cos doesn’t serve any purpose.
Buddhism supports or opposes it? why?
What are they made of, Elements consisting of above 4 things?

Thanks

[pusa07]

Hey then ur killing a living beign there?oh no thats a sin man:shocked: Thats nt either allowed in buddhism ne:eek: Killing Living beigns???oh noo!

Sooo funy... :oo: dumbest thing i've heard 4 sm time :rolleyes:

[sri_lion]

Sorry about the late reply.. I was quite busy with things!

Anyway here we go..

Uh the chimp thing you missed my statement I guess.”on its own” doesn’t mean sandwiching one into rocket and shooting to space…that’s ok people still make mistakes I no…

I know, Juz kidding there! ;)

Anyways finally I need some points cleared hope you’ll have time for this too. Since we came this far it wouldn’t be complete without these…

You said all elements consist of 4 things.

What about these stuff, spirit, soul, sense (not thinking), feelings (science thinks its chemical reactions)..
You believe these are part of evolution?
Science totally rejects soul that I know cos doesn’t serve any purpose.
Buddhism supports or opposes it? why?
What are they made of, Elements consisting of above 4 things?

Thanks

1st of all I guess I missed an important word in my previous reply.. sorry about that..

Buddhism sees things in 2 different perspective...

1. Mind
2. Matter

the 4 elements I mentioned refer to matter, NOT mind.. It is said in Buddhism Mind and Matter is when it comes to living beings.. Matter is Body which holds your Mind in it! When your body cannot support it self anymore, it dies and Mind will have to find yet another matter to link to!

How does Mind get released from the body? or into the body? no one knows!

But Mind only can unleash it powers as far as matter allows it to...

Ex: New-Born children will not have the ability to learn as fast as a grown ups!

In science this may explain as the chemical reactions or work of neurons and stuff!

Except that Science cannot prove what happens after death and what exactly is mind, apart from the chemical reaction theory.. I don't see how Buddhism oppose it.. Because Science has proven matter and Buddhism adds Mind to it.. yet not yet proven by Science to the fullest extent! Science see Mind through Matter.. Buddhism see a mind with & without matter (without: this only happens after death)

So in Buddhism this Mind is called Bhavanga-Sotha this is said to be the element they refer to as what separates from the physical matter when it get destroyed!

Ever heard a saying called "Mind over Matter"? this actually comes to my mind because as Buddhism suggests, as long as we have a matter bound to a Mind we have survival instincts.. even though our mind is capable of archiving greater heights (Nirvana) our fondness to entertain matter (body) is a great barrier to it, and the irony is its true potential too can be unleashed only through a matter (Body), and this what LORD BUDDHA taught... HOW TO USE IT TO UNLEASH THAT TRUE POTENTIAL!!!

And Lord Buddha said, This is what you can achieve with what you have!! So if you want you can go for it... else... Dont just fool around... live your life well... and he taught how to do that too! So the ultimate decision is yours!

So Mind over matter in a proper way is ALWAYS ENCOURAGED!:)

i dont know about you.but I feel really good about this, to reach this far…I should say this must be one of the farst points I could go with a Buddhist. And should be frank I personally had a negative picture of you after our 1st discussion and I think I was not correct, now.

No probs! :)

I know we couldn’t find answers to any burning cosmological questions but I expected it.

Yes! true! even Lord Buddha kept quiet when he was asked by someone, "how big is this universe".. as a matter of fact he even classified 14 of those kind of questions which are unanswerable!

And we gotta admit that every religion has those kind of questions, and I personally think most of these questions have little or no effect to what we expect from a religion!

but what I wanted to know is can a discussion about religion go to end without the usual bashing and thrashings. don’t think its useless cos just as the interview in the start I know it has triggered questions and maybe that could trigger thinking which we both can agree a good thing.

Of cos there were a negative side as well but I think that’s the way it is, but I really feel good..

:)

[VASSA]

I don't think Sinhalese people are blaming Muslims for eating meat, Sinhalese eat meat too so how can they only blame Muslims? :rolleyes:

Although what the hamuduruwo said about beef is correct! Not only from a religious point of view..just forget the religious point of view for a moment I think if you look into Sinhalese culture we are where we are today because of COW.. last time I checked Sri Lanka was the 13th country in the world when it comes to consuming rice! For a country as small as this..... this is huge! and indeed it show how much our country dependent on rice from ancient times, we Sri Lankans even exported rice those days :lol:

So in the humble beginnings of Sri Lanka COW was the centric point if there were no COWS there's no rice, we milked them, we used them as transport, even their excrements were used as fertilizers... the new technology now changed everything and the animal once was too precious too be eaten soon became meat in Sri Lanka!

I think its something personal... depends on individual... if any animal in the history of Sri Lanka helped Sri Lanka to grow its the COW.. if you can respect that and spare the Animal then that's the simplest of ways we as Sri Lankans can pay our tribute to this once precious Animal! You don't need religion to figure that out!

sahenne bonna ona prashnayak :oo:

[daddyimmo]

I read the post but no time to read the other's reply of this post!

From here my veiw about the conversations is really good that most buddisht know and most muslims know that why rejections of certain situation like Kurban the cow comes as a case! So They will understand the muslims

Also according to the conversation there are certain contradictions like Lord Buddha Didnt say about the existence of god, didnt say about prohibitions of eating meat! As The Al Q'Ran Explains every area clearly about who is god, how to Kurban the cow for consumptions purpose! Therefore It is fair enough not to blame the muslims for kurban the cow and how muslims have belief in god! So please understand very clearly cause certain scenario is complicated!

Religion practices are not put in laws even in other countries as religion practices and State law contradicts State law always prevails!

So YES! we can build a better nation by understanding each other in a proper manner! (No Fights!)

[yashan]

I don't think Sinhalese people are blaming Muslims for eating meat, Sinhalese eat meat too so how can they only blame Muslims? :rolleyes:

Although what the hamuduruwo said about beef is correct! Not only from a religious point of view..just forget the religious point of view for a moment I think if you look into Sinhalese culture we are where we are today because of COW.. last time I checked Sri Lanka was the 13th country in the world when it comes to consuming rice! For a country as small as this..... this is huge! and indeed it show how much our country dependent on rice from ancient times, we Sri Lankans even exported rice those days :lol:

So in the humble beginnings of Sri Lanka COW was the centric point if there were no COWS there's no rice, we milked them, we used them as transport, even their excrements were used as fertilizers... the new technology now changed everything and the animal once was too precious too be eaten soon became meat in Sri Lanka!

I think its something personal... depends on individual... if any animal in the history of Sri Lanka helped Sri Lanka to grow its the COW.. if you can respect that and spare the Animal then that's the simplest of ways we as Sri Lankans can pay our tribute to this once precious Animal! You don't need religion to figure that out!

:yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

[Billl Gates]

i reserved my comments

[gazaly]

so why ppl try to create a point like this? :P

Machan Oya Killing girl Kiyana Thread eka full baluwanam(Samaharu 2nd ID eken Reply karapu eka kesewethath) Machan Umbata therevi Mehema Dewaluth Nokiya baha Kiyalaa... ara Umba Daanney godaak welawata Boudda Ayata Upades and Sirasa Gana kawru monawa kiwwath Mama kiyana Eka Kiyana wa Wage...



I have find about "Probodhaya" magazine
but unfortunately there is no magazine in that name :lol:
Mama Dan Lankawe Naha Hitiyanam Oyata A' Magazine Eke copys deka thunakma Denna thibunaa.. Mokada A'ka mage Langath thiyenawaa.. Kalaapa Deka thunak Matath Labunaa.. (O'ne Nam Mama Kalin daapu Bin Ladin Gana Article Ekak Athi A'kath mama Scan Karala Dammey Elakiri Eke Oya magazine Eken aran thamai Poddak Mage Parana Threads wala hewwama labei Uwamanawa thiyenawanam)

who care??
like I can create a article about islam and puta my name as "mohomad abdul"
A' Magazine eka Muslimla Sinhala Aya Ekathuwela(Danna tharamin School Lamai wagayak Karanney.. so Sinhala Namak A'ke ena Eka Loku Deyak nam Newei..



Machan Pansale Nama Kiyala a' Hamaduruwange Nama daalama thiyenawaney Eyagen ahuwama Api Methana Kawda Prashna Kare Kiyala waada Karanawata wadaa Hondai neyda... a' Hamuduruwo Aththa Kiyala thiyenawa Nam Thawath Tharka Karanna Awashsha naney... Oyath Kalin Post waladi ekak kiyala Passe Oya Ara Maansha Anubawaya Gana Pothak aawata Passe Oyage Adahasa Wena Karagena Theyrum Gathhta Kiyala Kiwwaney.. So meykath Kamathi nam Pili Ganna Naththam A' Hamu Duruwo Kiwwa Wage Nikan Katin Witharak Bouddayo Kiyala Kiyana Ayage Ganayata watei.. Niyama Bowddayo Nam Mama Danna Tharamin (ara Walbada wage)Aagam wala hari waradi hoya Hoya Yanney nathuwa Athi... Mokada Niwan Dakinnata Aagam wala hari waradi hoyanna O'ne Nahaney...

[A.K ramson]

Thank you very much for posting this, gained lots of information about budism from this,

One Muslim brother stated that he was insulted bcoz his religion at school, even I too have that kind of experience from few teachers at school, but as I know majority of the buddist aren't like that I just ignore the few extreamist since every religion has extreamist, even in Islam,

Here we go About beards,intresting,:)

Brother can you show a Incident where a patient has got infected by a virus due to the beard of the doctor,

If thire is a incident, brother it is better if you can complain it to the Health authorities or else you can file a case against that doctor and seek the help of law to punish him,(only if you have proof to show a patient got infected by a virus)

and it is not only Muslims who grow beard Jews, sikhs and many other religion,


Finaly No where in Quran it is stated that man should go his beard,

[dacoolest]

mama wiswasa karana hetiyata, yahapath samajayak apata ona. ehema yahapath samajayak hadaganna apata noyek sammuthin awashya wenawa. udaharanayak hetiyata, samajayaka, "sorakam kirima weraddak" kiyana piligenima minisun thula thiyenna ona.

me wage thamai, "gathanaya" kiyana dein minissu welakila inna ona. eka nusudusi. sathuntath anek hema jiwiyektamath, minissunta wage jiwath wenna aithiyak thiyenawa.

[daddyimmo]

(WAL BADA) This names itself implies what his personal beliefs about Islam is! What ever contradictions you see in any of the religions, (pls you are just a good debater only) pls undersatnd not the muslims, but what the Q'Ran says about certain scenarios you have about Islam! only answer can be given about is Islam is the Al Q'ran!

I Tell WAL BADA! Do You Appreciate what Muslims do according to their religion? If you are a hater keep it to ur self! pointless stating out. what are getting from this, you are just a good debater only to win off!

And sri lion is a good viewer which cant be compared to WAL BADA! but has certain contradictions about Islam! Miracles happen according to sience, not just! But some great people cannot find the proof for it! so certain scenarios the answer can be found in the Al Q'Ran itself! e.g.- did anyone found how in Mecca which is a desert area, water keeps continuesly flowing! Also dont forget that the article written about science and Islam is fairly true K!

Also sri lion should answer this! wheter we are Muslims, does it means supporting the Muslims only????? If Pakistan is a Muslim country we should support them is a such a dumb logic thinking! look i'm a Muslim but a Malay, should I support the malays then! What about my country Sri Lanka! You mean I should not care what is happening here? but care about Malaysia? look would you condemn for what happened to America about 9/11 or LTTE Attacks in Sri LANKA? (But that is You, is everyone is like that!)

Also dont forget that this is a democratic country, everybody have the right to live! And Sharia Law is introducted in Sri Lanka too! Did you know that In CIMA the professional qualification, the students are bound to follow some of the Sharia laws! what you guys know about sharia laws?

Did you know had Dr. Maurice Bucaille! he said that what ever experiments he does, never forgets the Al Q'Ran to support the research!

About the beard is a practice of Muhammad (PBUH) which is a sunnah! is not legible to do so! And no where in the Al Q'Ran stated to grow beard!

The govt sector is a beauracy institute and very slow! certain problems occurs! also this applies to private sectors too! so why cant take some immediate action if you see some ethical issues out there! than just keeping the mouth moving! that percentage this percantage woint work until you solve! Also It is the practice of Islam that you see certain ethical issues is WAL BADA's View

If A Muslim doctor takes ablution 5 times a day means that he is enough clean to do the operation? NO! Certains safety practice are implemented in Hospital to follow! and where the heck stated that taking ablution 5 times day is part of safety practice!

Lord Buddha said nothing about god & only focus on solving to avoid suffering! But Islam says it all about god and stuff as Gary Miller will answer you!

Also some good answer are given by A.K. Ramsom too! so you can ask from him too!

Another thingis that you dont make me laugh but make me smile! as it is fair enough the way you look at Islam! because can we explain to you about certain case abou Islam base on the assumption of that you know what the Q'Ran Say??? NO!

[gpindika]

I don't think Sinhalese people are blaming Muslims for eating meat, Sinhalese eat meat too so how can they only blame Muslims?

[daddyimmo]

Is All Religions Should Be Blamed? Doesn't it teach good! It's stupid to think that religion teaches wrong thing! that is how WAL BADA Looks at Islam! But it's not my problem but his problem and he knows why but i do not know why!

[randula01]

niyama Innterview ekak .................

[daddyimmo]

I don't think Sinhalese people are blaming Muslims for eating meat, Sinhalese eat meat too so how can they only blame Muslims?

Look What pindika is telling, so what the problem that they are telling us eating meat is killing meat and Muslims are wrong and they are sinners! Wht nonsense without looking why The Muslims kurbans the cow for consumption purpose!

So without knowing why and how the Muslims get into their religious practice specially according to the the Al Q'Ran stated dont give conclusions (this applies to everyone)

[monson]

Me prashna ahana ekata Buddhism walata islam rules danna ona wela wagene prashna ahanne.

[sri_lion]

Also sri lion should answer this! wheter we are Muslims, does it means supporting the Muslims only????? If Pakistan is a Muslim country we should support them is a such a dumb logic thinking! look i'm a Muslim but a Malay, should I support the malays then! What about my country Sri Lanka! You mean I should not care what is happening here? but in Malaysia? look would you condemn for what happened to America about 9/11 or LTTE Attacks in Sri LANKA? (But that is You, is everyone is like that!)

I dont see a question here... If at all I were to understand what you are saying I think we both say the same thing..!!! If not.. then please make it more clearer!!

Also dont forget that this is a democratic country, everybody have the right to live! And Sharia Law is introducted in Sri Lanka too! Did you know that In CIMA the professional qualification, the students are bound to follow some of the Sharia laws! what you guys know about sharia laws?

Our EK member "just" and me had a discussion on Sharia Law and its practicality here in this thread... you can refer to it!!!

http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=84275

[monson]

In my case I don't live according to whims and fancies of some people (creators of all those religions) who lived 1000s of years ago. Anunta karadarayak, waraddak karanne nathuwa jeewath wenawanag echcharai. :)

BTW, Why were all those religions started 1000s of years ago. Ai dan kawruth religions start karannathte?

[sri_lion]

Miracles happen according to sience, not just! But some great people cannot find the proof for it! so certain scenarios the answer can be found in the Al Q'Ran itself! e.g.- did anyone found how in Mecca which is a desert area, water keeps continuesly flowing!

First of I'm puzzled about how can miracles happen in Science? Maybe you can explain!

Second of all... if you say since Mecca has water so its a miracle, what about other oasis in the desert? are they a miracle too?

Also dont forget that the article written about science and Islam is fairly true K!

Fairly true? :dull:

Lord Buddha said nothing about god & only focus on solving to avoid suffering! But Islam says it all about god and stuff as Gary Miller will answer you!

Buddha said nothing about GOD? are you sure? and how does "Gary Miller" know?

[daddyimmo]

sri_lion (http://www.elakiri.com/forum/member.php?u=4103)
Second of all... if you say since Mecca has water so its a miracle, what about other oasis in the desert? are they a miracle too?

That's one of examples too I wanted say so! also other examples like Neil Armstrong heard the Azan on the moon, But according to science, that the moon has no air and sound cant be travelled through air. BUT Neil Armstroing heard the azan on the moon! but how? anybody found? then what do you called that incident is? You hate to call it is miracle because you dont believe it!

sri_lion (http://www.elakiri.com/forum/member.php?u=4103)Fairly true? :dull:


Oh Another thing I forget to tell is that I noticed one thing about you is that you catch grammar mistakes and such words like i posted some replies! So Yes fairly true means as I told before you hate to call it is a miracle, So I wanted to tell is that other relevant informtion says some important facts about science and Islam! So that you will understand that (according to you) the information about science and Islam is true! Right Am I?


sri_lion (http://www.elakiri.com/forum/member.php?u=4103)
Buddha said nothing about GOD? are you sure? and how does "Gary Miller" know?


Do you know Gary Miller? Do you Know What he says about the Al Q'Ran? Why Didnt you ask me the Question anything about Dr. Maurice Bucaille as I stated before!

About Lord Budhha, I appreciate his teachings! He is a human, but a super natural human! so it fair enough that he said that It is not my business or yours to find out whether there is God – our business is to remove the sufferings of the world! That where the point he gave out in his teaching! But Al' Q'Ran Which is divine revealed state clearly who is god! So it doent mean to me as Al Q'ran state that there is god to believe Islam! I took my own time and studied about it! Did you do it?

NOTICE: Another thing you said to refer to the thread of Islam, It's difficult to find what you were telling, so didnt do it! if you could point out to me pls?

[sri_lion]

That's one of examples too I wanted say so! also other examples like Neil Armstrong heard the Azan on the moon, But according to science, that the moon has no air and sound cant be travelled through air. BUT Neil Armstroing heard the azan on the moon! but how? anybody found? then what do you called that incident is? You hate to call it is miracle because you dont believe it!

First of all this is not the answer to the question I asked! and as for your Neil Armstong heard Aazn theory I found these references.. I suggest you read them..

Reference 1 (http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2005/9/7/nation/11971532&sec=nation)
Reference 2 (http://www.answering-islam.org/Hoaxes/neil.html)

Oh Another thing I forget to tell is that I noticed one thing about you is that you catch grammar mistakes and such words like i posted some replies! So Yes fairly true means as I told before you hate to call it is a miracle, So I wanted to tell is that other relevant informtion says some important facts about science and Islam! So that you will understand that (according to you) the information about science and Islam is true! Right Am I?

I catch grammar mistakes?:lol: :lol: Dude.. I only read what you typed... you said fairly true... well.. fairly true is quite a distance from absolutely certain!!!

So If you know the facts please present.. we'll take it from there shall we?

Do you know Gary Miller? Do you Know What he says about the Al Q'Ran? Why Didnt you ask me the Question anything about Dr. Maurice Bucaille as I stated before!

Actually I'm puzzled to what exactly are you trying to prove here? are you telling me because Gary Miller or Dr. Maurice Bucaille is saying GOD exist, so he really does exists? what is the relevance of both them in this topic? can you explain a bit?

About Lord Budhha, I appreciate his teachings! He is a human, but a super natural human! so it fair enough that he said that It is not my business or yours to find out whether there is God – our business is to remove the sufferings of the world! That where the point he gave out in his teaching!

Lord Buddha is not a super natural human.. he is just human who understood how the world works (as simple explanation as it gets)

But Al' Q'Ran Which is divine revealed state clearly who is god! So it doent mean to me as Al Q'ran state that there is god to believe Islam! I took my own time and studied about it! Did you do it?

Actually I dont like to go into this area.. but since you read it and understood it may I ask who wrote Al Q'Ran? Please enlighten me!

NOTICE: Another thing you said to refer to the thread of Islam, It's difficult to find what you were telling, so didnt do it! if you could point out to me pls?

Ok! let me summarize that thread for you, "just" said that Shariah law works and because of Shariah Law the countries implement that law has lower crime rate.. TRUE ENOUGH!!!!

But it is not possible to adopt shariah law in democratic countries, as in chopping off hand and legs because in democratic countries even criminals has their rights!

For more info.. you'll have to go thorough that thread, I have no time to type all those all over again!!! Sorry!!!

P.S: My replies may come in late, due to the busy week ahead!!:)

[daddyimmo]

First of all this is not the answer to the question I asked! and as for your Neil Armstong heard Aazn theory I found these references.. I suggest you read them..

Reference 1 (http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2005/9/7/nation/11971532&sec=nation)
Reference 2 (http://www.answering-islam.org/Hoaxes/neil.html)

The reference you gave is true, then why he said that he heard the azan on the moon during the last decades? why he became a muslim?
Armstrong denied the statement! then why did the NASA Destroyed the video cassete interveiw of Neil Armstong which in that vdeo it says the he heard the azan! did he tell lies after the visit to the apollo journey! Then it is not true that he heard the azan on the moon is what he is telling! OMG! What a game he played after 75 years of this debate of hearing the azan on moon!


I catch grammar mistakes?:lol: :lol: Dude.. I only read what you typed... you said fairly true... well.. fairly true is quite a distance from absolutely certain!!!

So If you know the facts please present.. we'll take it from there shall we?



Tht what I was trying to say! (expressing is only problem) that you catch what we type, does it mean what we are trying to express according to the word V type! so dont do that ask what he trying to express in the correct manner!

Also didnt read what teenstar posted about science and Islam! didnt read out what Dr. Maurice Bucaille' speech!


Actually I'm puzzled to what exactly are you trying to prove here? are you telling me because Gary Miller or Dr. Maurice Bucaille is saying GOD exist, so he really does exists? what is the relevance of both them in this topic? can you explain a bit?



What they are telling is about, How amazing the Q'Ran is wht they have seen in it! They said that how 1400 years ago the Al Q'Ran clearly shows about science tht been exist today! They didnt tell about god and stuff! The Al Q'Ran Itself Says It All!


Lord Buddha is not a super natural human.. he is just human who understood how the world works (as simple explanation as it gets)


Ok OK OK! SRI Only A small mistake, Lord Buddha is not super natural but a human! who have found buddhist! that fine! and next!


Actually I dont like to go into this area.. but since you read it and understood it may I ask who wrote Al Q'Ran? Please enlighten me!



YOU Said I dont like to go to this area! Ok it's enough to show that you dont want to know every aspects of Islam! Fine No PRoblem! it's ur choice!

As I said Before The Quran is Divine revealed to this world through the Angel Jibreil to the messenger of god Muhammad (PBUH)! It's the word of the Almighty God! (ALLAH!) It's not a written by anyone or Muhammad (PBUH)!

And it's shown clearly by Gary Miller too! in the ariticle of the Amazing Q'Ran! You can check his readings!


Ok! let me summarize that thread for you, "just" said that Shariah law works and because of Shariah Law the countries implement that law has lower crime rate.. TRUE ENOUGH!!!!

But it is not possible to adopt shariah law in democratic countries, as in chopping off hand and legs because in democratic countries even criminals has their rights!

For more info.. you'll have to go thorough that thread, I have no time to type all those all over again!!! Sorry!!!

P.S: My replies may come in late, due to the busy week ahead!!


K! I take another full time to check the thread as u r busy (May be!). Sharia law cannot be implemented in a country like SL the one which is related to criminal acts!

Religous practices are put into law? NO! I'm telling some sharia laws like the concept of Islamic banking etc... Which is a contribution to banking management!

Look Sahria law is bad or good? U can argue it in both ways! (You know Max Weber's Theory, THe Beaucary) what kind of a contribution it has given to the world! Top seniors sees sharia laws as a global opportunity toward achieving startegic goals!

[sri_lion]

Sorry I was late to reply..

The reference you gave is true, then why he said that he heard the azan on the moon during the last decades? why he became a muslim?
Armstrong denied the statement! then why did the NASA Destroyed the video cassete interveiw of Neil Armstong which in that vdeo it says the he heard the azan! did he tell lies after the visit to the apollo journey! Then it is not true that he heard the azan on the moon is what he is telling! OMG! What a game he played after 75 years of this debate of hearing the azan on moon!

So lesson learned? Dont believe everything you hear.. investigate yourself first!

What they are telling is about, How amazing the Q'Ran is wht they have seen in it! They said that how 1400 years ago the Al Q'Ran clearly shows about science tht been exist today! They didnt tell about god and stuff! The Al Q'Ran Itself Says It All!

Science today says World began from BIG BANG and Human Evolution, does Islam believe this?

YOU Said I dont like to go to this area! Ok it's enough to show that you dont want to know every aspects of Islam! Fine No PRoblem! it's ur choice!

As I said Before The Quran is Divine revealed to this world through the Angel Jibreil to the messenger of god Muhammad (PBUH)! It's the word of the Almighty God! (ALLAH!) It's not a written by anyone or Muhammad (PBUH)!

And it's shown clearly by Gary Miller too! in the ariticle of the Amazing Q'Ran! You can check his readings!

I said I dont like to go into this area not because I dont care about it, it is because I dont feel comfortable digging deep into someone else's faith, So you say prophet Mohommed found Q'ran which was written by god and thus you follow it to this date? fine! lets leave it at that.

For one personal reason I dont like to talk about god related to any religion, its just I feel like walking in the dark! I'd rather like to focus on area which we can actually witness on day to day lives and the impact of our religions maybe!

K! I take another full time to check the thread as u r busy (May be!). Sharia law cannot be implemented in a country like SL the one which is related to criminal acts!

Religous practices are put into law? NO! I'm telling some sharia laws like the concept of Islamic banking etc... Which is a contribution to banking management!

Look Sahria law is bad or good? U can argue it in both ways! (You know Max Weber's Theory, THe Beaucary) what kind of a contribution it has given to the world! Top seniors sees sharia laws as a global opportunity toward achieving startegic goals!

Yes! I agree with you, Sharia Law works.. there's no doubt about it BUT, depending on the background its implemented on! that's a big BUT to certain communities.. Sharia Law cannot be implemented with all rights secured!

[just]

oh the thread continues so...i guess its a good thing.

as long as posters dont turn it into a religion bashing one (just a request from me...:))

Machan sri got somethings to clarify..

i know we've talked about this before but just thought of making sure.

did budda talk anything about punishments? or is there any statement from him supporting punishing in order to keep things under control..
i just want to know anything budda said with regard to it.or he din talk about it at all..

also is there any other personality that buddism recognizes equel to budda or his in the peak of it? like buddist know that he achieved nirvana for sure (or i think they believe, correct me if wrong).so he's the only one to achieve it?

if you busy its k take your time...

[daddyimmo]

So lesson learned? Dont believe everything you hear.. investigate yourself first!

That's wat I'm doing man! and I Now know Where am I and Wat's my duty!

But Neil's Journey is a mystery! because actully before joining for the Apolla journey he never heard the Adhan in earth and what he heard in the moon was not clear what was is! so returning back, he went for a trip to Egypt which was his first visit to Egypt. In there when see was roaming about he heard something which was heard in the moon so he ask his guider what was is, so replied as it's the Adhan from the Mosque! and so he wondered what how come such a thing he heard like that in the moon! and this is how he wanted to know about Islam and he embraced! So though Neil denies the hearing of the Adhan in the moon,but this is how he came to Islam!

Science today says World began from BIG BANG and Human Evolution, does Islam believe this?

In the first place itself U dont believe there is god! and also if I ask you that scientists who have read the Quraan have said that it's amazing to see how such facts in the 7th century that today are shown to be in keeping with the modern scientific knowledge! Then what do think about the scientists statement? Do U beleive then what the Quraan mentions facts are true? or what?

Big Bang means according the scientists says that how the universe was formed! You know the man's knowledge of the origin of the universe is very limited! Scientists have proposed theories of evolution that are centred around one theme is the original fireball and the original era of matter and anti matter.

But in the Quran itself mentions

"Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil o'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds" (V, 7:54)

and there are even more verses from the Quraan to mention about the creation of the earth and heaven! the above are one of the verses! These are all the speech of the Almighty Allah!

If u want to know much about science and Q'Ran here the link!
http://www.arriyadh.com/En/Islam/Lef...AndScience.pdf



I said I dont like to go into this area not because I dont care about it, it is because I dont feel comfortable digging deep into someone else's faith



You no need to know someone's fath! if u have a problem try finding the solution for urself! it's up to u!

For one personal reason I dont like to talk about god related to any religion, its just I feel like walking in the dark!

You dont like to talk about god! But religion without god? then why are you asking about Islam! normally Muslims are the followers of Islam and Islam teaches through Quraan which is the speech of the Almighty God! (Allah)! So the more u ask about is Islam! Only proof is the Speech of Allah, the Almighty! i.e. the Quraan! So then?

I'd rather like to focus on area which we can actually witness on day to day lives and the impact of our religions maybe!

Look! sitting and waiting a side and watching what is happening is better than go and search for what is happening! that is how most people embraced Islam! They wondered who is Allah!, Who is Mohammad(PBUH)! What is This Q'ran! and they wanted to study about it! But some ignores to! Why?

You like to focus on ONE area, this is what Lord Buddha also was doing right? as he said It is not my business or yours to find out whether there is God – our business is to remove the sufferings of the world! OK! it's up to u!

Yes! I agree with you, Sharia Law works.. there's no doubt about it BUT, depending on the background its implemented on! that's a big BUT to certain communities.. Sharia Law cannot be implemented with all rights secured!

Of course When Certains laws are implemented, it is upto the parliment to decide wheter to change it or not! So how come every laws of Sharia will be implemented as in todays world they see as it is wrong like you see!

Actually you may be talking the one relating to the criminal act how sharia law can be implemented. that is impossible. But the way it work is perfect! but it's too late!

[A.K ramson]

Science today says World began from BIG BANG and Human Evolution, does Islam believe this?






The Big Bang
By Zaghlool El-Naggar, Ph.D. (http://www.islamonline.net/english/Science/2002/10/article11.shtml#111)
24/10/2002
http://www.islamonline.net/english/Science/2002/10/images/pic11-a.jpg
Scientists are now certain that the universe came to being by a big bang

In the Holy Quran we read:
"أولم ير الذين كفروا أن السماوات والأرض كانتا رتقا ففتقناهما.." a (الأنبياء:30)
"Haven't the unbelievers seen that the heavens and the earth were joined together (in one singularity), then we clove both of them asunder.” (21:30)
This verse reflects the unity of creation as a dominating factor in the orderly form of the universe throughout its evolutionary history from one stage to another.
However, long before discovering the established phenomenon of the red shift, and its logical consequence of describing our universe as an expanding one, scientists used Einstein's theory of general relativity to extrapolate back in time and came to the striking conclusion that the universe had actually emerged from a single, unbelievably small, dense, hot region (the Hot Big Bang Model of the universe).

Plz Visit This link to read the full article
http://www.islamonline.net/english/Science/2002/10/article11.shtml

[sri_lion]

The Big Bang
By Zaghlool El-Naggar, Ph.D. (http://www.islamonline.net/english/Science/2002/10/article11.shtml#111)
24/10/2002
http://www.islamonline.net/english/Science/2002/10/images/pic11-a.jpg
Scientists are now certain that the universe came to being by a big bang

In the Holy Quran we read:
"أولم ير الذين كفروا أن السماوات والأرض كانتا رتقا ففتقناهما.." a (الأنبياء:30)
"Haven't the unbelievers seen that the heavens and the earth were joined together (in one singularity), then we clove both of them asunder.” (21:30)
This verse reflects the unity of creation as a dominating factor in the orderly form of the universe throughout its evolutionary history from one stage to another.
However, long before discovering the established phenomenon of the red shift, and its logical consequence of describing our universe as an expanding one, scientists used Einstein's theory of general relativity to extrapolate back in time and came to the striking conclusion that the universe had actually emerged from a single, unbelievably small, dense, hot region (the Hot Big Bang Model of the universe).

Plz Visit This link to read the full article
http://www.islamonline.net/english/Science/2002/10/article11.shtml

A quick question for the brother!

I've read your link through and through, I'm really sorry I was unable to find conclusive scientific relativity within that article to Q'ran

So May I ask you, if Q'ran believes in BIG BANG and Human Evolution where does God fit in all of this? How did he originated?


P.S: just and daddyimmo, will reply to you later!

[RaguXt]

hmmm i waz just reading diz thread and it waz pretty intresting!! hmm daddyimmo well i gota little question for you.. um just a lyl bit curious.. as to my science knowledge for a sound wave to travel it needs a medium.. but in moon its almost as if there`s no atmosphere sooo if there is no medium to travel sound cannot be heard!! thus making me think how the heck did niel hear that sound??? just wanted to know dat!! if u could enlighten me on dat matter??? :D

[daddyimmo]

hmmm i waz just reading diz thread and it waz pretty intresting!! hmm daddyimmo well i gota little question for you.. um just a lyl bit curious.. as to my science knowledge for a sound wave to travel it needs a medium.. but in moon its almost as if there`s no atmosphere sooo if there is no medium to travel sound cannot be heard!! thus making me think how the heck did niel hear that sound??? just wanted to know dat!! if u could enlighten me on dat matter??? :D

Of course wat ur telling is true! If The is no Air in the moon, sound cant travel! But according to neil during the last decades his journey to the moon, he heard something unusual! He didnt even know what was it! Actually looking at this situation, How did actually Neil Hear a sound though in the moon there is no air! That like a mystrey! But After so many years of this debate in US, finally he denies! wat a joke he have been playing! But however one thing! this how he wondered what is Islam and embraced!

-dnuA_OfuxA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dnuA_OfuxA)

[RaguXt]

well may be he thought he heard something??? people alwayz make ridiculous excuses for their actions!! and any1 who wantz 2 get some clear ideaz about big bang theory i suggest they check diz page which is maintained by the CERN one of the world`s largest labz working in deciphering mysteries of the universe + itz in simple language sooo any1 can understand da theory :D

[RaguXt]

and about the article which is posted i totally disagree with the interviewer.. nobody`s blaming muslims for eating meat?? even buddhists eat meat and muslims are not the only people who are eating beef ( cow meat ) catholics christians and even some buddhists eat it. i neva really heard any1 blaming muslims for that. i hav 2 admit that this is the 1st tym i heard abt it :S

[RaguXt]

here`s da link 2 da webpage http://livefromcern.web.cern.ch/livefromcern/antimatter/academy/AM-travel02.html

[asa143]

all of u guys,

think first.for a example in ur aria how many meat shops are there.exm.10 kiyala hithamu ko.eka kadayaking dawasakata harak 10ha denek maruwoth kadawal 10yenma harak 100k maranawa dawasakata.ethakota masekata,awruddakata harakun kiyak eka ariya ekeking marenawada.ehama baluwama mulu lankawema harakun kee denek maranawada.may harak marune nathnam ape gewal wala,ape paarewalwala minissunta wada harak pirila indee.dont blem any relgns.think logicaly.

[daddyimmo]

and about the article which is posted i totally disagree with the interviewer.. nobody`s blaming muslims for eating meat?? even buddhists eat meat and muslims are not the only people who are eating beef ( cow meat ) catholics christians and even some buddhists eat it. i neva really heard any1 blaming muslims for that. i hav 2 admit that this is the 1st tym i heard abt it :S

1 important thing I noticed that about did interview is that all the doubts are cleared out by the buddhist monk between the contradiction most ppl had about Islam! So I hope they understood! and there will be no blamings about it! So let's limit this thread to that understanding! and not start other topics in this thread and u eventually u wants to know send PM to a particular EK Member! e'g' like the big bang topic asked by Sri Lion, some of the quran and science articles posted by Teenstar etc... So let's stop from here arguing about other aspects between religion and stuff each of the members wants to have! Give comments about this! and personally i think is a gud idea too!

[sri_lion]

Machan sri got somethings to clarify..

i know we've talked about this before but just thought of making sure.

did budda talk anything about punishments? or is there any statement from him supporting punishing in order to keep things under control..
i just want to know anything budda said with regard to it.or he din talk about it at all..

Lord Buddha wanted people to understand what they are doing he saw punishment as one's own karma!

There was no need to talk about punishments in particular like every other occurrences in the world it too generates by a cause

also is there any other personality that buddism recognizes equel to budda or his in the peak of it? like buddist know that he achieved nirvana for sure (or i think they believe, correct me if wrong).so he's the only one to achieve it?

Lord Buddha is special because at a time where people use to worship trees and rocks and fire for their miseries, lord Buddha went against the norm because he believed that trees and rocks cannot change your lives.. only you have the power to change it! And he sorted out everything by himself and told people to look into themselves rather than sitting ducks until it comes from above!

That's why he is spacial because he was the one to understand it, BUT lord Buddha never said he is the highest.. he always said "Dhamma" is the highest point... he himself said "my teacher is Dhamma, so does yours, after my death it is Dhamma that will continue to be your guidance!"

So to answer your question, did he (Lord Buddha) archived Nirvana? We all believe he has.. and from what we've heard, most of his disciples from his time did archive it too (maybe because Buddhism was not corrupted like now).. well if you ask me how do we know whether they've really achieved Nirvana?Well I can only tell you if I live long enough to see if any of them will ever be born again!

[sri_lion]

That's wat I'm doing man! and I Now know Where am I and Wat's my duty!

But Neil's Journey is a mystery! because actully before joining for the Apolla journey he never heard the Adhan in earth and what he heard in the moon was not clear what was is! so returning back, he went for a trip to Egypt which was his first visit to Egypt. In there when see was roaming about he heard something which was heard in the moon so he ask his guider what was is, so replied as it's the Adhan from the Mosque! and so he wondered what how come such a thing he heard like that in the moon! and this is how he wanted to know about Islam and he embraced! So though Neil denies the hearing of the Adhan in the moon,but this is how he came to Islam!

Actually, I did some survey about Neil Armstrong and I did not find any hard evidence to back the fact that he is even a Muslim right now! I would really be thankful to you could give me a proper link to see it!

In the first place itself U dont believe there is god! and also if I ask you that scientists who have read the Quraan have said that it's amazing to see how such facts in the 7th century that today are shown to be in keeping with the modern scientific knowledge! Then what do think about the scientists statement? Do U beleive then what the Quraan mentions facts are true? or what?

Do I believe them? Well.. it depends on what kind of scientists they are, and what kind of scientific methods they took into account to compare Q'ran and science!

Big Bang means according the scientists says that how the universe was formed! You know the man's knowledge of the origin of the universe is very limited! Scientists have proposed theories of evolution that are centred around one theme is the original fireball and the original era of matter and anti matter.

But in the Quran itself mentions

"Your Guardian-Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in six days, and is firmly established on the throne (of authority): He draweth the night as a veil o'er the day, each seeking the other in rapid succession: He created the sun, the moon, and the stars, (all) governed by laws under His command. Is it not His to create and to govern? Blessed be Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds" (V, 7:54)

So here your statements contradicts!

So was it Allah who created the SUN and the Planets or BIG BANG? And I would like to ask the question again which I've asked from the other friend, if Q'ran said this in a scientific manner did it say where does GOD come from? what are his origins?

You dont like to talk about god! But religion without god? then why are you asking about Islam! normally Muslims are the followers of Islam and Islam teaches through Quraan which is the speech of the Almighty God! (Allah)! So the more u ask about is Islam! Only proof is the Speech of Allah, the Almighty! i.e. the Quraan! So then?

What proof?

Look! sitting and waiting a side and watching what is happening is better than go and search for what is happening! that is how most people embraced Islam! They wondered who is Allah!, Who is Mohammad(PBUH)! What is This Q'ran! and they wanted to study about it! But some ignores to! Why?

So have they found who are they?

You like to focus on ONE area, this is what Lord Buddha also was doing right? as he said It is not my business or yours to find out whether there is God – our business is to remove the sufferings of the world! OK! it's up to u!

If there is actually a GOD so powerful that can create planets and give birth to SUN etc. why not he help all the Muslims who suffer in those WAR torn countries? If you seek GOD all the time why go to hospital when you are sick? Why you can't seek divine intervention to sought it out? after all for GOD who created life on earth it should not be a problem right?!

Of course When Certains laws are implemented, it is upto the parliment to decide wheter to change it or not! So how come every laws of Sharia will be implemented as in todays world they see as it is wrong like you see!

Actually you may be talking the one relating to the criminal act how sharia law can be implemented. that is impossible. But the way it work is perfect! but it's too late!

Yes mainly I'm talking about criminal related laws, others like banking and stuff could be implemented I guess! (provided that it is lucrative for the country)

[daddyimmo]

So here your statements contradict!

This is a common statement most non-Muslims as well as the Muslims make when they study the Islam religion! So goes on!


Actually not contradiction but contradistinction! This is a single Surah which has been taken from the Quran! As looking at all the Quran chapters and verses at the same time you won’t find any contradiction but contradistinction


If there is a contradiction in the Quran, then it cannot be the word of Allah (SWT)! Then I would be fooled! As in the Quran says


“Do they not consider the Quran (with care)? Had it been from other Than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy” {SurahAn-Nisa (http://islam.thetruecall.com/Quran_Translation_4_999.htm), V 4:82}

So was it Allah who created the SUN and the Planets or BIG BANG? And I would like to ask the question again which I've asked from the other friend, if Q'ran said this in a scientific manner did it say where does GOD come from? What are his origins?

Alone apart from stating from the Al Q’ran if I ask like this, you were born from the mother’s womb! She is a great asset to this world know? And our hearts calls her a God! She is such great that every morning before you go out you worship her and respect her well right? Why? Because she is such great! Then If I ask is there anybody greater than the mother? And if so will you respect who is greater than the mother? (But don’t ask me about the father as both are equal!) This is how God is, there is no one greater than God, he is the sustainer and the originator and further I can explain according to the Al Q’ran and on!

Looking at the question you asked actually the origin of God! I wonder why you ask about the origin of God than about God! And really it makes me asking you what you know then about God! So Answer me that!

Ok Then what is the meaning of the word God is? God, the word is most often conceived of as the creator and overseer of the universe! Does that mean there is someone who has accomplished God to be the creator and overseer? No, it is God Alone is the originator as to the meaning shows! And if so there was someone who accomplished God to create the universe and the beings, who is he, is he the originator before God? There should always be a start and an end! So If ones believe there is no God then I would have to ask what is the origin of the universe, the sun and the moon, People believe the universe, the sun and the moon are been! And if so anyone conceived themselves that God exist, He or she believes God is been then!

God can’t be begotten as the meaning of the word God shows he is the creator and overseer! Then can he be inherent? Can he stand in need of an accomplisher when he is the creator and overseer? Can he share his dominion when he is the creator and overseer? Does it mean there is origin of God? No, He is the sustainer and the originator!

The lord Buddha is not God, and every one of the followers of Buddhism sees him as special and adores him and his teachings! During the last decades then did anyone accomplish him to find to remove suffering in this world and stay away from reborn? No, he alone for years with great sacrifices has achieved Nirvana! So then how can we ask the origin of his knowledge of his teachings? It’s been right? There is always a start and an end!

Once again The Lord Buddha is not God as everyone knows and Buddhism the religion is no longer a religion but its philosophy which teaches the Dharma! So these Buddhism teachings are all about focusing on getting Nirvana and go to Nibbana! So in here there no such thinking comes around to discuss about the existence of God! So Buddhism did not discuss about the existence of God, does it means that God don’t exist? No, to know then we need to search! So who ever wants to, it’s their choice!

The Quran is the speech of Allah (SWT). It is not a creation. It is one of the fundamental sources of Islamic teachings. The chapters and verses are concerned with basic issues of belief, signs of the existence of god, resurrection, the life after death, the Day of Judgment, the acts of worship and actions related to all aspects of life! So in the Quran it explains who Allah (SWT) is!

“They have invented the Jinns as partners with Allah, while He has created them; and they have fabricated for Him sons and daughters without any knowledge. Pure is He, and far more higher than what they describe. (He is) the Originator of the heavens and the earth. How can He have a son when He never had a wife? He created everything, and He knows everything. This is Allah: your Lord, there is no God but He, the Creator of everything; so, worship Him. He is Guardian over everything. No vision can comprehend Him, and He comprehends all visions, and He is Absolutely Subtle, All-Aware” {Surah Al-An`am (http://islam.thetruecall.com/Quran_Translation_6_999.htm), V 6:100-103}

If there is actually a GOD so powerful that can create planets and give birth to SUN etc. why not he help all the Muslims who suffer in those WAR torn countries? If you seek GOD all the time why go to hospital when you are sick? Why you can't seek divine intervention to seek it out? After all for GOD who created life on earth it should not be a problem right?!

God created the Angel who without forgoing will obey Allah’s will and obligations! God created the jinn who is free from obeying Allah’s will and obligations! So God created the human being and has written his deeds, time of his death, means of his livelihood, and whether he will be miserable or blessed in the hereafter! God have given the human being the physical feeling and the ability to think! So as you know Lord Buddha said that it’s our mind that decide what we have to do and what we want to do and if we take our mind to the right path and have control we will be merited! So what ever we do in this earth whether it is the bad deeds or the good deeds our physical feeling may lead to suffering or not right?

"Fighting is prescribed for you, and while it is hard on you. But you may dislike something which is good for you, and you may like something which is bad for you. Allah (SWT) knows while you do not know." {Surah Al Baqarah, V 2:216}

As you ask why not help Muslim in those war countries! I don’t know why you are asking the Muslims than the humankind as a whole! So anyway why there are wars, disasters and calamities? It’s we human beings know decide to strife and the suffering to a third party? It’s the mind that decides for such a thing to happen right? So as long as we use our mind for doing the good deeds and avoiding the bad deeds we are away from the suffering right? So should not be a problem in earth is decided by we human beings right? All these happen because of the different people have differences in their faith and society which have damaged them into the most terrible type of infringement!

In this earth we are not blessed with everything we want but we all have got our needs right? This is not the only realm of life! There is a heaven for those who do good deeds and having lived a good life where an ever happy life is spends and a hell for those who do bad or evil deeds where punishments with sufferings are given! If man is to enter to heaven or hell is decided in performing the deeds on earth! So such deeds we perform is decided by we human beings right? So Life in this earthis a test for the hereafter as in the Quran says

“The One (Allah) who created death and life, so that He may test you as to which of you is better in his deeds. And He is the All-Mighty, the Most- Forgiving” {Surah Al Mulk, V 67:2}

SEE NEXT POST TOO! (if u want)

[daddyimmo]

Well if you ask me how do we know whether they've really achieved Nirvana? Well I can only tell you if I live long enough to see if any of them will ever be born again!

I have heard according to Buddhist teaching that a person with an unclean mind of anger, selfish and revenge will be reborn again and who ever has a clean mind will be unborn which in Buddhism is called nibbana! So Lord Buddha had a clean mind and after his death he went straight away to nibbana and never reborn! Am I right?

You are telling if I live long enough to see if any of them will ever be born again! Is that who has achieved Nirvana! What about the people who are not gone to nibbana? Are they are born again? I don’t think so!

One thing would you please explain to me about the hell and heaven in accordance with Buddhist teaching! I want to know something about that in just few!

Actually, I did some survey about Neil Armstrong and I did not find any hard evidence to back the fact that he is even a Muslim right now!

Also you said I would really be thankful to you could give me a proper link to see it!
Actually you didn’t find? Hmmmm let me ask you something! You only know gave me the reference that Neil Armstrong denied that he heard the call to prayers in the moon? So in this link this statement included shown below!

“Armstrong, 75, also denied he had heard the Muslim call to prayer on the moon and had converted to Islam. “

And the link
Reference 1 (http://www.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?file=/2005/9/7/nation/11971532&sec=nation)

Do I believe them? Well... it depends on what kind of scientists they are, and what kind of scientific methods they took into account to compare Q'ran and science!
Of course you are right, if the right method is used you can find the truth! So how far is accurate the scientists have used the right method for experiment? You know there are two ways of acquiring knowledge one is by doing scientific experiment! And two is by the divine knowledge! Did scientist apply both methods to compare? Most of them have done it! So how far we are sure they are reliable and accurate!
What proof?
As I said before the Allah’s message and speech is the Al Q’ran which was divinely revealed to this world through the angel Gabriel to Muhammad (PBUH). Also the hadith which is the As-Sunnah (Legal ways etc.) of Muhammad (PBUH)
So have they found who are they?
Of course, no wonder you can see from the States and Europe today Islam is the fastest growing religion! Also you have heard once Denmark have published some insulting cartoon picture of Muhammad (PBUH) and this how about 50 Denmark people wondered who is this Muhammad (PBUH) and came to Islam!
Yes mainly I'm talking about criminal related laws, others like banking and stuff could be implemented I guess! (Provided that it is lucrative for the country)

Actually the sharia law related to criminal act is fair though even in most Arab countries they have not implemented! Sahria law is the source of the divine laws! It includes law as well as moral principles! It is suitable not only for the Muslims, but for all mankind at all times! Man made laws are based on theories and are to be altered when ever there is contradictions!

Look if a person commits a murder according to sharia law he or she is sentence to death! But if the murder is done due to protect one’s life or before any sinful thing happen to him or her is forgiven! Also other burglary and stuff they are given a chance and if not promised and break it they may take action against the sinner! Anything forbidden by God (Allah, The Almighty) will be forgiven only until he stays away from performing sin and oblige the God’s (Allah, The Almighty) commands!

[sri_lion]

Sorry for the late reply!

I have heard according to Buddhist teaching that a person with an unclean mind of anger, selfish and revenge will be reborn again and who ever has a clean mind will be unborn which in Buddhism is called nibbana! So Lord Buddha had a clean mind and after his death he went straight away to nibbana and never reborn! Am I right?

Yes! you are correct!

You are telling if I live long enough to see if any of them will ever be born again! Is that who has achieved Nirvana!

As far as I can see this is the only way to see whether they'll be reborn again, any other ideas?

What about the people who are not gone to nibbana? Are they are born again? I don’t think so!

According to Buddhism, as long as you create the cause the effect will be there, you don't think so? why?

One thing would you please explain to me about the hell and heaven in accordance with Buddhist teaching! I want to know something about that in just few!

Yes many people does speak about heaven and hell according to Buddhism, but personally I can't guarantee you that there is such a thing, infact there's no way for me or any other person to know it does exists or not! These are the things that remain to be unknown and even in Buddhism people are advised not to waste time thinking about things that you can't really conceive as a human instead focus on what you can do as a mortal and live a good life and gain all those pre-requisites to achieve Nirvana, as a human that's the best thing you can do... what possible gain one has even if they knew there's hell or heaven? because according to Buddhism everything has an ending.. including hell and heaven!!!

Of course you are right, if the right method is used you can find the truth! So how far is accurate the scientists have used the right method for experiment? You know there are two ways of acquiring knowledge one is by doing scientific experiment! And two is by the divine knowledge! Did scientist apply both methods to compare? Most of them have done it! So how far we are sure they are reliable and accurate!

First you should define what knowledge is.. in science knowledge is based on facts & figures, I don't know how you can classify "divine knowledge", maybe you can help me figure out! In science facts and figures considered reliable and accurate, how about divine issues? how do we know they are reliable and accurate?

If so I ask again, why do Muslims still believe in science at all?

As I said before the Allah’s message and speech is the Al Q’ran which was divinely revealed to this world through the angel Gabriel to Muhammad (PBUH). Also the hadith which is the As-Sunnah (Legal ways etc.) of Muhammad (PBUH)

Why did he had to "divinely reveal"? Why he himself didn't appear and instead of asking another to reveal?

Of course, no wonder you can see from the States and Europe today Islam is the fastest growing religion! Also you have heard once Denmark have published some insulting cartoon picture of Muhammad (PBUH) and this how about 50 Denmark people wondered who is this Muhammad (PBUH) and came to Islam!

So have they found out about proof of GOD's existence which Islam is 100% based on? that was my question!

Actually the sharia law related to criminal act is fair though even in most Arab countries they have not implemented! Sahria law is the source of the divine laws! It includes law as well as moral principles! It is suitable not only for the Muslims, but for all mankind at all times! Man made laws are based on theories and are to be altered when ever there is contradictions!

Look if a person commits a murder according to sharia law he or she is sentence to death! But if the murder is done due to protect one’s life or before any sinful thing happen to him or her is forgiven! Also other burglary and stuff they are given a chance and if not promised and break it they may take action against the sinner! Anything forbidden by God (Allah, The Almighty) will be forgiven only until he stays away from performing sin and oblige the God’s (Allah, The Almighty) commands!

But we have seen cases where innocent people were toured (like Sri Lankan maids) by the Arabs and gotten away with it! so how come? because it is divine law that prevails in those countries! So if divine law fails who will be there to take responsibility? by right the creator of the law.. which means in GOD right? Well.. so far I haven't seen!!

[sirajstc]

Well Hope Sinhala People will Stop Blaming Us i mean Msulims 4 eating Meat....

Read This Carefully And Think Thrice...

then Reply...........


:yes::yes:

[daddyimmo]

Yes! You are correct!
As far as I can see this is the only way to see whether they'll be reborn again, any other ideas?
According to Buddhism, as long as you create the cause the effect will be there, you don't think so? Why?
“You are correct!” That’s all? No any other ideas? However I don’t think it’s true as you say “As far as I can see this is the only way to see whether they'll be reborn again” without a proof of evidence!
Yes many people do speak about heaven and hell according to Buddhism, but personally I can't guarantee you that there is such a thing, in fact there's no way for me or any other person to know it does exists or not! These are the things that remain to be unknown and even in Buddhism people are advised not to waste time thinking about things that you can't really conceive as a human instead focus on what you can do as a mortal and live a good life and gain all those pre-requisites to achieve Nirvana, as a human that's the best thing you can do... what possible gain one has even if they knew there's hell or heaven? Because according to Buddhism everything has an ending... including hell and heaven!!!
If Lord Buddha taught about hell and heaven in which not to focus on that as because there is no evidence that there is hell and heaven! But how does he know that there is an ending for hell and heaven?

[daddyimmo]

First you should define what knowledge is... in science knowledge is based on facts & figures, I don't know how you can classify "divine knowledge"; maybe you can help me figure out! In science facts and figures considered reliable and accurate, how about divine issues? How do we know they are reliable and accurate?

If so I ask again, why do Muslims still believe in science at all?
Divine knowledge is the knowledge revealed by God! And the funniest thing you are asking “why does Muslims still believe in science?” is of course a foolishness question!
During the 6th century to the 15th century the Islam civilization has contributed to the development of science and education a lot. The knowledge are mostly are divine knowledge! The westerns agree with this and you have learned from them! So I have to ask you why you believe in science! What nonsense is that!

Here the source: http://www.muslimheritage.com/ (http://www.muslimheritage.com/)

There is even more to see. Look what Stanislas Guyard has said:

„During the Middle Ages, the history of Mohammadanism (Islam) is the history of civilization itself. Thanks to the Muslims, Greek science and philosophy were rescued from neglect and came to awaken the West and give rise to the great intellectual movement which terminated in the renovation of Bacon… In the seventh century of our era, the Old World was in agony. The Arabian conquests infused into it a new blood… Mohammad gave them (Arabs) the Quran which was the starting point of a new culture“
Why did he have to "divinely reveal"? Why he himself didn't appear and instead of asking another to reveal?
Allah has revealed the Quraan and Angel Gabriel have gifted it to Muhammad (PBUH) on Earth! He would never appear on earth as if the non Muslims don’t believe in the existence of Allah’s signs, Allah’s Angels Allah’s Messengers, Allah’s books, The day of resurrection and hereafter! How would the non Muslims believe then there is one true god i.e. Allah?
So have they found out about proof of God’s existence which Islam is 100% based on? That was my question!
Yes Brother! Even I do! Otherwise you think they are forced by Muslims? Or they are foolish? Look in today’s’ world we can see the fastest spreading religion is Islam! Even during in the 1934 to 1984 about 235% has increased in Islam and Christianity had increased only by 47% according to the statistics from the article in Reader’s Digest ‘Almanac’, year book 1986!
But we have seen cases where innocent people were toured (like Sri Lankan maids) by the Arabs and gotten away with it! So how come? Because it is divine law that prevails in those countries! So if divine law fails who will be there to take responsibility? By right the creator of the law... which means in GOD right? Well... so far I haven't seen!!

There are Muslims and Non Muslims! But everyone has some weaknesses! So for the Muslims sometimes they don’t follow their religion properly like some I have seen they are drinking, smoking and gambling which is forbidden by Allah! So as just a Muslim person who commits a wrong you can’t say it that’s Islam religion taught them unless you judge into Islam alone!

There something called the Al-Kaba'r which means the major sins forbidden by Allah! So associating anything with Allah is forbidden unless Allah has told!

“Surely, Allah does not forgive that a partner is ascribed to Him, and forgives anything short of that for whomsoever He wills. Whoever ascribes a partner to Allah has indeed gone far astray.” {Surah An-Nisa, V 4:116}

The maids who have been beaten by those Bedouins are sinners! And you know in that country the maids can inquire the embassy there about the sufferings and that they will take action against them!

[romero2005]

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[sri_lion]

“You are correct!” That’s all? No any other ideas? However I don’t think it’s true as you say “As far as I can see this is the only way to see whether they'll be reborn again” without a proof of evidence!

Well.. you got the whole purpose of the comment wrong :lol:

I'm asking you here, if you ask me how do I know for sure whether anyone have archieved NIRVANA for sure, I ask you back how could I possibly know they have other than me being there all the while to make sure they will never reborn?

Is there any other suggestions? If "YES" let me know... if "NO" then you know what I mean!

If Lord Buddha taught about hell and heaven in which not to focus on that as because there is no evidence that there is hell and heaven! But how does he know that there is an ending for hell and heaven?

Because the nature of everything is start and end! tell me something that does not follow this!

[sri_lion]

Divine knowledge is the knowledge revealed by God! And the funniest thing you are asking “why does Muslims still believe in science?” is of course a foolishness question!
During the 6th century to the 15th century the Islam civilization has contributed to the development of science and education a lot. The knowledge are mostly are divine knowledge! The westerns agree with this and you have learned from them! So I have to ask you why you believe in science! What nonsense is that!

Here the source: http://www.muslimheritage.com/ (http://www.muslimheritage.com/)

There is even more to see. Look what Stanislas Guyard has said:

„During the Middle Ages, the history of Mohammadanism (Islam) is the history of civilization itself. Thanks to the Muslims, Greek science and philosophy were rescued from neglect and came to awaken the West and give rise to the great intellectual movement which terminated in the renovation of Bacon… In the seventh century of our era, the Old World was in agony. The Arabian conquests infused into it a new blood… Mohammad gave them (Arabs) the Quran which was the starting point of a new culture“

Dont go off the track... its true that Muslim's may have contributed to science, but is it their own effort or GOD's?

If it is GOD's.. then how do you prove it?

Ok lets say Human is ALLAH's creation and we were able to do marvels with his help and wisdom, then how do you explain people like Albert Einstein, a giant contributor for modern science? So did ALLAH made him as a non-Muslim and gave him the wisdom? why? which means then to get ALLAH's help you does not nessasily have to be a MUSLIM? THINK ABOUT IT!!!

And also what I've asked is, I'll give you a scenario...

Say, you fall from somewhere you broke a bone in your hand... now would you go to mosque and ask divine help? or would you rather go to hospital?

I would like to see your answer to this exact points!!

Allah has revealed the Quraan and Angel Gabriel have gifted it to Muhammad (PBUH) on Earth! He would never appear on earth as if the non Muslims don’t believe in the existence of Allah’s signs, Allah’s Angels Allah’s Messengers, Allah’s books, The day of resurrection and hereafter! How would the non Muslims believe then there is one true god i.e. Allah?
Not convincing bro! Why ALLAH's angels, messenegers, prophets? Why not himself? for example Jesus traveled himself to teach what he knew and gave his very life for their sake, so did lord Buddha..

See.. Muslims like to spread thier religoin (so does others) but they are the only ones who beleieve that ALLAH is out there.. so if he is.. why not he himself appear because if he does it will only make the Muslim community bigger because people will actually see a GOD!!!

So ALLAH does'nt want his diciples to grow?

Yes Brother! Even I do! Otherwise you think they are forced by Muslims? Or they are foolish? Look in today’s’ world we can see the fastest spreading religion is Islam! Even during in the 1934 to 1984 about 235% has increased in Islam and Christianity had increased only by 47% according to the statistics from the article in Reader’s Digest ‘Almanac’, year book 1986!
You just scratch the surface..

Islam may very well be the fastest growing, there are many other factors here too.. like the way Islam is.. I've hardly seen a Muslim convert to other religions because Q'ran does not give you that freedom, and hardly ever hear about Muslims marry a person belong to other faiths...

So the more you claim about Islam's growth the more evident how Islam try to bind the followers only to look into Q'ran


There are Muslims and Non Muslims! But everyone has some weaknesses! So for the Muslims sometimes they don’t follow their religion properly like some I have seen they are drinking, smoking and gambling which is forbidden by Allah! So as just a Muslim person who commits a wrong you can’t say it that’s Islam religion taught them unless you judge into Islam alone!

Does Q'ran prohibits smoking? I dont think so!!!

There something called the Al-Kaba'r which means the major sins forbidden by Allah! So associating anything with Allah is forbidden unless Allah has told!

“Surely, Allah does not forgive that a partner is ascribed to Him, and forgives anything short of that for whomsoever He wills. Whoever ascribes a partner to Allah has indeed gone far astray.” {Surah An-Nisa, V 4:116}

So ALLAH decides which crime should be punished and which ones shouldn't?

So you mean punishment for each and every type of crime is included in Q'ran? in which section? (just tell me I'll check online)

And also WHY SOME CRIMES are not PUNISHABLE? or you dont have that privilege to question GOD?

The maids who have been beaten by those Bedouins are sinners! And you know in that country the maids can inquire the embassy there about the sufferings and that they will take action against them!
Are you sure? Like how they delayed Visa's for Sri Lankan diplomats who wanted to talk about that particular girl who's in death row as we speak? She has given a translator saying that he is a Tamil but at the end that person made a mess of her translation? this is justice?

So in this case it has been consistently failed... in Buddhism it refers to human behavior and blame will be on human themselves... how about in Islam where is the GOD to take the responsibility? Because it is GOD's law after all!!!

[savi pabasara]

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[yazir94]

I don't think Sinhalese people are blaming Muslims for eating meat, Sinhalese eat meat too so how can they only blame Muslims? :rolleyes:


sirawata...:confused:

[sri_lion]

sirawata...:confused:

Ai Sinhala minissu mas kanawa dakala nadda?

[daddyimmo]

Well... you got the whole purpose of the comment wrong

I'm asking you here, if you ask me how do I know for sure whether anyone have achieved NIRVANA for sure, I ask you back how could I possibly know they have other than me being there all the while to make sure they will never reborn?

Is there any other suggestions? If "YES" let me know... if "NO" then you know what I mean!
“How could I possibly know they have (other than me) being there all the while to make sure they will never reborn” that’s what you say! But you believe in it! How? It is may be because Buddhism was not corrupted like now, you believe in it? And how are you going to show me? Only way is to say like that? Is that making ones believing is true?

And if you ask me “how do I know for sure whether that god exists?” It’s silly for me to say “how could I possibly know whether god exist unless I must be there in heaven?” so brother the way you say, that’s not a way of making one sure that they have achieved nirvana!
Because the nature of everything is start and end! Tell me something that does not follow this!

Because the nature has a start and an end! The hereafter means the heaven and hell also has an ending? How? And I have asked did the lord Buddha have preached about it! And how does lord Buddha alone knew it? Did Lord Buddha tell that the heaven and hell has an ending?

In earth every living thing has an ending! But in the hereafter we believe the heaven and hell is a permanent destination!

[vishva8kumara]

Well Hope Sinhala People will Stop Blaming Us i mean Msulims 4 eating Meat....

Read This Carefully And Think Thrice...

then Reply...........

Machan Buddhists don't blame Muslims for eating meat.

Abstaining from Beef has NOTHING TO DO WITH BUDDHISM. It is about Sinhala Tradition. According to Sinhala tradition, we do not eat Beef...

In Buddhism there is no speciality for what meat to eat and what is not to eat. You may eat whatever good for you!

It was Anagaarika Dharmapaala tuma who campaigned against Beef eating that associated abstaining from Beef to Buddhism...

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[savi pabasara]

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honda pahadili kireemak
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see this link....
http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=103546

[daddyimmo]

Don’t go off the track... its true that Muslims’ may have contributed to science, but is it their own effort or God’s?
If it is God’s... then how do you prove it?

Look not only Islam civilization has contributes to modern science also other civilizations

Allah has only revealed the Quraan and in the Quraan there are verses which was support for the Muslims which they did experiments on it! As an example in the Surah Ar-Ra’d stated:

“And it is He who spread out the earth, and set thereon mountains standing firm and (flowing) rivers: and fruit of every kind He made in pairs, two and two: He draweth the night as a veil o'er the Day. Behold, verily in these things there are signs for those who consider! And in the earth are tracts (diverse though) neighboring, and gardens of vines and fields sown with corn, and palm trees - growing out of single roots or otherwise: watered with the same water, yet some of them We make more excellent than others to eat. Behold, verily in these things there are signs for those who understand!” (13:3-4)

So base on this Surah, Al-Khwārizmī has work on his book of the appearance of the Earth" or "The image of the Earth" in 833 which was considered as geography! And you know Columbus wondered by evaluating this book and said that if this book says that the earth is a shape of a spherical, then traveling from the west to the east there should be a path or a road to reach each side! And so that is how he traveled and found America in 1942. Even more Muslims were involved in this subject!

Al-Khwārizmī has not only contribute to geography but to many

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_M%C5%ABs%C4%81_al-Khw%C4%81rizm%C4%AB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_M%C5%ABs%C4%81_al-Khw%C4%81rizm%C4%AB)
Even more Muslims in history have contributed by their own effort!

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=The+Golden+Islam&ns0=1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=The+Golden+Islam&ns0=1)

Ok lets say Human is Allah’s creation and we were able to do marvels with his help and wisdom, then how do you explain people like Albert Einstein, a giant contributor for modern science? So did ALLAH made him as a non-Muslim and gave him the wisdom? Why? Which means then to get Allah’s help you do not necessarily have to be a MUSLIM? THINK ABOUT IT!!!

What help? Look Allah has already given the guidance by the revelation of his message which is the Quraan! Only thing you don’t accept! That’s normal to you!

There is nothing to think about! You are thinking that I’m a narrow-minded! What about this fellow, what about that fellow are the questions you are asking! For what?

Look whether it is Albert or whoever we are all human beings and Allah has given humankind the will and the ability to think! And among us there can be different viewers! So there will be people who will disprove the Quraan and there will be people who will believe in it! There can be great scientists who are Muslims and non Muslims! There are twins born conjoint! There are children who are born abnormal and normal!

So Allah has created the human being not in way who are born Muslims are the best and not in a way who is born non Muslims are the worse! Once again Allah has given the humankind the will! So there will be different people having different choice!

If Allah has made Albert Einstein as a non-Muslim and a great scientist, it does not mean that he will not be taken to judgment also whether a person is a Muslim! As Allah has given the will to humankind and so Albert Einstein, he will be judge for his deeds in earth for the hereafter which he will be deserve heaven or fire. May peace be upon Albert Einstein!

Look for those were born abnormal Allah is most forgiver! But who have the knowledge and still disprove Allah deserve them punishment
This earth is a test for the hereafter!

Allah forgives who only follow the guidance of Allah and deserve punishment to those who rejects and disbelieve!

And also what I've asked is, I'll give you a scenario...

Say, you fall from somewhere you broke a bone in your hand... now would you go to mosque and ask divine help? Or would you rather go to hospital?
I would like to see your answer to this exact point!!

You think that a person who has belief in god will always ask for divine help? Which concept is that?

I know the way you are thinking! If I asked divine help you think it will be cured? Silly! I would take care myself! Look in this earth Allah has given us the physical and non physical feelings! So if we fall somewhere we will be hurt! Likewise if we use our mind to the wrong path we will be doing wrong things! That is something normal brother! So we need only to be careful, though it is not easy!

Not convincing bro! Why Allah’s angels, messengers, prophets? Why not himself? For example Jesus traveled himself to teach what he knew and gave his very life for their sake, so did lord Buddha...

You believe that there is god only if you see him! But if God send a messenger to the people and if god sends a message to the people, you won’t believe!
Now it is clear for me how you see at Islam! And it is clear for me why you don’t believe! I’m not trying to convince you and won’t convince you! It’s not my duty As Allah said in the Quraan:

“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things.”

We believe Jesus (Isa) PBUH as one of the prophets of Allah before Muhammad (PBUH) and he also gave the same message of Allah like Muhammad (PBUH) as it is there in the Quraan stated:

“We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Jacob, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms.” (4:163)

Allah revealed to Jesus (Isa) PBUH the (inspiration) message which is called the Injiil (Gospel). Allah revealed to Moses (Musa) PBUH the (inspiration) message which is called the Tawraat (Torah). Allah revealed to David (Dawud) PBUH the (inspiration) message which is called the Psalms (Zabur) and which the statement in the Quraan Allah revealed it to Muhammad (PBUH)

See... Muslims like to spread their religion (so does others) but they are the only ones who believe that ALLAH is out there... so if he is... why not he himself appear because if he does it will only make the Muslim community bigger because people will actually see a GOD!!!

So ALLAH doesn’t want his disciples to grow?

A disciple means the one who follow! Allah does want all his mankind to follow his guidance! So if you are telling why he doesn’t appear, as I have mentioned it before, if the people don’t believe in the existence of Allah’s signs, Allah’s Angels, Allah’s Messengers, Allah’s books, The day of resurrection and hereafter! How would the people believe then there is one true god i.e. Allah when he appears? After appearing will the people then remove their previous belief, regret and follow Allah’s guidance! Then I have to ask how you will or in which reason you will remove the belief in Buddhism you have?
Allah will not appear! And I know according to Buddhism you will completely ignore it!

And if you are telling that if god appears people will follow him! Then why still some convert to Islam and did they ever want to see god just like you ask?
Allah has revealed the message as stated in the Quraan

“Those who do not know say: .Why is it that Allah does not speak to us, nor does a sign come to us? So spoke those before them as these people do. Their hearts resemble each other. We have indeed made the signs clear for the people who have certitude.Surely, We have sent you with the truth, as a bearer of good tidings, and a warner, and you will not be asked about the people of Hell.” (2:118)

But I don know why you’ll won’t believe what Muhammad (PBUH) has told, the revelation of the Quraan which is the message of Allah! I have to ask you that! Please reply me that!

We believe that there is god not just for the sake! We believe as Allah has revealed the message and all the prophets of Islam has spread the message of Allah and proved it! But some ignored it and still some disprove! How much you see and how much you hear you won’t believe as in the Quraan Allah asks and says:

“And who believe in what has been revealed to you and what has been revealed before you; and they have faith in the Hereafter.” (2:4)

“Surely for those who have disbelieved, it is all the same whether you warn them or you warn them not: they do not believe. Allah has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing; and on their eyes there is a covering, and for them awaits a mighty punishment.” (2:6-7}

It will not make any difference to such people whether you warn them or not, they will not believe. Allah has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing and on their eyes is a veil. It is not because Allah has set a seal on their hearts that these non-Muslims do not understand and believe, but it is the vice-versa. It is because these non-Muslims are bent on rejecting the truth and whether you warn them or not they will not believe.

You just scratch the surface...

Islam may very well be the fastest growing, there are many other factors here too... like the way Islam is... I've hardly seen a Muslim convert to other religions because Q'ran does not give you that freedom, and hardly ever hear about Muslims marry a person belong to other faiths...

don’t expect Islam to be a philosophy!

According to Islam we believe that there is no any other god or greater than god and only one true god i.e. Allah, The Almighty, The All-Wise.
You say the Quraan does not give the freedom to choose! Why? The Quraan is the message of Allah and it is the guidance to those who fear for Allah! As in the Quraan states:

“This Book has no doubt in it - guidance for the God-fearing” (V 2:2)

So it doesn’t mean that we can’t have the choice to convert! It is Muslims fear for Allah for not going astray. So it is wrong to say that there is no freedom of choice! Allah has given humankind the will, so we have the choices! So a Muslim who converts from Islam to another means only he rejects Allah and his messengers! This means he has gone astray of Allah and he is taken into account of punishment in the hereafter! And it is not for only the Muslims! It also for those who rejects the beliefs of Allah for all humankind!

“Those who disbelieve after having accepted Faith and then increase in disbelief, their repentance shall never be accepted. They are the ones who have lost the right path.” (V 2:27)

“As for those who reject Faith and give the lie to Our Signs, they shall be companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein.” (V 2:39)

[daddyimmo]

So the more you claim about Islam's growth the more evident how Islam tries to bind the followers only to look into Q'ran

The more the people look at the Quraan which means they have read the message of Allah! The Al Quraan is the message of Allah! Otherwise from where will the people receive the message of Allah then? From the Muslims? Or from the sky?

If Allah wants to guide us he should reveal a message! And the Al Quraan is the message of Allah! But some disprove it! So it’s what and how they see in!
Also the Life of prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is one of the examples a person can look in to know about Allah! That’s in the Hadith!

Does Q'ran prohibit smoking? I don’t think so!!!

You don’t think so? Then I have to ask why! Look Allah recommends us cleanses! Allah has not directly stated in the Quraan about smoking! So let’s see further!

I think you trying to say about the Arab people smoking the shisha right? That is their culture brother!

Smoking was unknown during the time of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)! And there is a general principle in Islamic law which says that everything harmful to human mind, body and soul is prohibited in Islam! So then smoking is harmful which is forbidden by Allah as in the Quraan states:

“Those who follow the Messenger, the unlettered prophet, whom they find written in what they have of the Torah and the Gospel, who enjoins upon them what is right and forbids them what is wrong and makes lawful for them the good things and prohibits for them the evil and relieves them of their burden and the shackles which were upon them.” {Surah Al A’raf, V 7:157}

The habit of smoking is wasting money and it is the habit of the squanderers! So as the Quraan says:

“Surely, squanderers are brothers of Satans (devils), and the Satan (Devil) is very ungrateful to his Lord” {Surah Al Isra, V 17:27}

So it is clear that smoking is prohibited! But sad some Muslims are committing such sin and Allah will take them into judgment in the hereafter!

So ALLAH decides which crime should be punished and which ones shouldn't?
And also WHY SOME CRIMES are not PUNISHABLE? Or you don’t have that privilege to question GOD?

For every sin there is a torment (Punishment)! It can be on earth and in the hereafter! But it depends!

A person who commits a sin a punishment will be given but if he or she confesses then he or she is forgiven by Allah! But if does not and after the punishment is given and he or she regret for his or her bad deeds and follow the guidance of Allah, also will be forgiven by Allah!

So you mean punishment for each and every type of crime is included in Q'ran? In which section? (Just tell me I'll check online)

There are! There are in the Hadith too! But it is not very easy for me read all the verses and chapters of the Quraan at once as I will show you in few!
“As to the thief, Male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power But if the thief repents after his crime, and amends his conduct, Allah turned to him in forgiveness; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful” (5:38-39)

“As for those who reject Faith and give the lie to Our Signs, they shall be companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein.” (V 2:39)

This punishment is given to fear for Allah for not committing the sin! For theft if he has done it for the purpose of filling his or her hunger and if the object been robbed is not in a safe place is forgiven!

There are punishments for Apostasy, murder, theft and so on! Not only on earth but in the hereafter and as I told before if he or she confesses will be forgiven! But if does not and after the punishment is given and he or she regret for his or her bad deeds and follow the guidance of Allah, also will be forgiven by Allah!

But the punishment should be given or not is depends on all of 5 conditions!
The conditions are

· The punishment must be lawful one and accepted by the court order
· It should be a suitable one
· before commitment of a sin it should be an avoidable punishment one
· the punishment should be with a high purpose
· By giving the punishment to the wrongdoer, it should not be a grief to the society

Are you sure? Like how they delayed Visa's for Sri Lankan diplomats who wanted to talk about that particular girl who's in death row as we speak? She has given a translator saying that he is a Tamil but at the end that person made a mess of her translation? This is justice?

It is how the embassy runs! And people do have weaknesses! How do I know that they are following the rules properly! I can clearly see that they are doing is wrong! It doesn’t mean that it is Islam law taught that right! If so it’s the way you see!

“Surely, Allah does not wrong people at all, but the people do wrong their own selves.” (10:44)

So in this case it has been consistently failed... in Buddhism it refers to human behavior and blame will be on human themselves... how about in Islam where is the GOD to take the responsibility? Because it is God’s law after all!!!

Once again don’t expect Islam to be philosophy!

It’s not god has to be responsible! It the people, cause they handle the law! How can you clarify that it’s Islam law? It is because is a Muslim country, 100% they are following the Islam law? How do we know? Those people also have weaknesses, cunning Bedouins!

Buddhism and Islam cannot be compared at all! Buddhism is about philosophy found by human beings and Islam is about religion revealed by Allah! If you look into Islam in philosophy manner you will always see it as wrong!

According to Buddhism, the teachings, people should ignore about god! Then it’s same that if we show them or not, they do completely ignore it! However it’s not my problem! It’s the way the Buddhism follow!

Bismi Allahi alrrahmani alrraheemi (In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.)

Allah is always a forgiver! But not for those who rejects! In several verses in the Quraan is stated!

[sri_lion]

Look not only Islam civilization has contributes to modern science also other civilizations

Allah has only revealed the Quraan and in the Quraan there are verses which was support for the Muslims which they did experiments on it! As an example in the Surah Ar-Ra’d stated:

“And it is He who spread out the earth, and set thereon mountains standing firm and (flowing) rivers: and fruit of every kind He made in pairs, two and two: He draweth the night as a veil o'er the Day. Behold, verily in these things there are signs for those who consider! And in the earth are tracts (diverse though) neighboring, and gardens of vines and fields sown with corn, and palm trees - growing out of single roots or otherwise: watered with the same water, yet some of them We make more excellent than others to eat. Behold, verily in these things there are signs for those who understand!” (13:3-4)

So base on this Surah, Al-Khwārizmī has work on his book of the appearance of the Earth" or "The image of the Earth" in 833 which was considered as geography! And you know Columbus wondered by evaluating this book and said that if this book says that the earth is a shape of a spherical, then traveling from the west to the east there should be a path or a road to reach each side! And so that is how he traveled and found America in 1942. Even more Muslims were involved in this subject!

Al-Khwārizmī has not only contribute to geography but to many

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_M%C5%ABs%C4%81_al-Khw%C4%81rizm%C4%AB (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_ibn_M%C5%ABs%C4%81_al-Khw%C4%81rizm%C4%AB)
Even more Muslims in history have contributed by their own effort!

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=The+Golden+Islam&ns0=1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&search=The+Golden+Islam&ns0=1)

Well, even before Q'ran appeared people lived in this world and thrived didn't they? They did not refer to any divine text.. so what about them? So assuming that Allah is the creator of human.. why did not he create the first human and give the Q'ran to his hand and said "everything thing you need to know is here!". if you tell me this way.. then at least it makes sense!

Al-Khwarizmi was born in 780AD and his main contributions in Mathematics, (from the source you've given me) but bro... even '0' was invented in 5th century BC, way before Q'ran has been found/revealed! So how can you give credit to Q'ran in accordance with Al-Khwarizmi services?


What help? Look Allah has already given the guidance by the revelation of his message which is the Quraan! Only thing you don’t accept! That’s normal to you!

Well.. if all appears normal to me then we would not be having this discussion in the first place :lol::lol:


There is nothing to think about! You are thinking that I’m a narrow-minded! What about this fellow, what about that fellow are the questions you are asking! For what?

Dont jump into conclusions now!! :lol:;)


Look whether it is Albert or whoever we are all human beings and Allah has given humankind the will and the ability to think! And among us there can be different viewers! So there will be people who will disprove the Quraan and there will be people who will believe in it! There can be great scientists who are Muslims and non Muslims! There are twins born conjoint! There are children who are born abnormal and normal!

So Allah has created the human being not in way who are born Muslims are the best and not in a way who is born non Muslims are the worse! Once again Allah has given the humankind the will! So there will be different people having different choice!

If Allah has made Albert Einstein as a non-Muslim and a great scientist, it does not mean that he will not be taken to judgment also whether a person is a Muslim! As Allah has given the will to humankind and so Albert Einstein, he will be judge for his deeds in earth for the hereafter which he will be deserve heaven or fire. May peace be upon Albert Einstein!


Look for those were born abnormal Allah is most forgiver! But who have the knowledge and still disprove Allah deserve them punishment
This earth is a test for the hereafter!

Allah forgives who only follow the guidance of Allah and deserve punishment to those who rejects and disbelieve!
Ok that's exactly what I'm asking here... see Einstien did perhaps the greatest service to mankind in the modern world.. so he did good deeds even though he wasn't a Muslim, so if Allah... like you say would consider his good deeds but then what would be his (Allah's) decision?

Will he..

Decides "Ok.. this person did a lot of good, even though he is not a Muslim I'm sending him to heaven"

or

"Ok.. this guy did lot of good deed but since he isn't a Muslim I'm sending him to Hell"

in which case both seems odd to me.. because in 1st case then you don't necessarily have to be a Muslim to go to where Muslims go after death! in the second case, just because you are not a Muslim whatever good you do doesn't matter, you will still go to Hell!!

So clear out for me.. which one? please!!


You think that a person who has belief in god will always ask for divine help? Which concept is that?
WHY NOT? :shocked: You believe he is out there somewhere right? So you mean you don't believe he can do this or what? If you dont believe a simple thing like this then how do you believe he created a Universe? or you just not ask help for these kind of small things :lol:

But for a GOD who created a Universe this can be fixed in a jiffy right?

I dunno.. your choice!! I'm just asking....


I know the way you are thinking! If I asked divine help you think it will be cured? Silly! I would take care myself! Look in this earth Allah has given us the physical and non physical feelings! So if we fall somewhere we will be hurt! Likewise if we use our mind to the wrong path we will be doing wrong things! That is something normal brother! So we need only to be careful, though it is not easy!
No matter how careful you are if someone else is not careful he can harm you that's also called an accident.. (most of the time)

So always being perfect is impossible, unless a GOD of Allah's caliber makes human perfect.. (now I wonder why he didn't)


You believe that there is god only if you see him! But if God send a messenger to the people and if god sends a message to the people, you won’t believe!
Now it is clear for me how you see at Islam! And it is clear for me why you don’t believe! I’m not trying to convince you and won’t convince you! It’s not my duty As Allah said in the Quraan:

“Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things.”

NO! I'm not saying you MUST see to believe! But it SURE does helps.. Are you denying that? that's human nature... or should I say.. the very nature that Allah created in human beings... so he should understand it better than us!


We believe Jesus (Isa) PBUH as one of the prophets of Allah before Muhammad (PBUH) and he also gave the same message of Allah like Muhammad (PBUH) as it is there in the Quraan stated:

“We have sent thee inspiration, as We sent it to Noah and the Messengers after him: we sent inspiration to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes, to Jesus, Jacob, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon, and to David We gave the Psalms.” (4:163)

Allah revealed to Jesus (Isa) PBUH the (inspiration) message which is called the Injiil (Gospel). Allah revealed to Moses (Musa) PBUH the (inspiration) message which is called the Tawraat (Torah). Allah revealed to David (Dawud) PBUH the (inspiration) message which is called the Psalms (Zabur) and which the statement in the Quraan Allah revealed it to Muhammad (PBUH)
So does this means, all Christians will not be punished on the Judgment day?

Because they followed a Prophet of Allah! If so... then again.. you don't have to be a Muslim to go to heaven?


A disciple means the one who follow! Allah does want all his mankind to follow his guidance! So if you are telling why he doesn’t appear, as I have mentioned it before, if the people don’t believe in the existence of Allah’s signs, Allah’s Angels, Allah’s Messengers, Allah’s books, The day of resurrection and hereafter! How would the people believe then there is one true god i.e. Allah when he appears? After appearing will the people then remove their previous belief, regret and follow Allah’s guidance! Then I have to ask how you will or in which reason you will remove the belief in Buddhism you have?
Allah will not appear! And I know according to Buddhism you will completely ignore it!
Actually say if someone says you don't exist, what better way to convince that person other than you show him you sure does exist? If you send messengers and angels etc. etc. the more the people will dis believe you!! This is just common sense.. if you want people to believe you, stop beating around the bush... just present what they don't believe.. end of the story.. why go through all this criticism?

Then I have to ask how you will or in which reason you will remove the belief in Buddhism you have?

Maybe the day Allah stop sending someone behalf of him and appears himself and prove all this is his creation!!

And if you are telling that if god appears people will follow him! Then why still some convert to Islam and did they ever want to see god just like you ask?

That is people's choice.. every person is different.. this question you should Allah.. not me!!


Allah has revealed the message as stated in the Quraan

“Those who do not know say: .Why is it that Allah does not speak to us, nor does a sign come to us? So spoke those before them as these people do. Their hearts resemble each other. We have indeed made the signs clear for the people who have certitude.Surely, We have sent you with the truth, as a bearer of good tidings, and a warner, and you will not be asked about the people of Hell.” (2:118)

But I don know why you’ll won’t believe what Muhammad (PBUH) has told, the revelation of the Quraan which is the message of Allah! I have to ask you that! Please reply me that!

Because, if there's only ONE TRUE GOD, then I can't see any reason why.. for him not to present himself to the people (like you guys) whom pray for him day and night.. Here I'm talking as a Human to GOD not as a Buddhist...

If human have this much of faith on you... what possible reason you have not to appear yourself and let them hear your words and wisdom from you!!??


We believe that there is god not just for the sake! We believe as Allah has revealed the message and all the prophets of Islam has spread the message of Allah and proved it! But some ignored it and still some disprove! How much you see and how much you hear you won’t believe as in the Quraan Allah asks and says:

“And who believe in what has been revealed to you and what has been revealed before you; and they have faith in the Hereafter.” (2:4)

“Surely for those who have disbelieved, it is all the same whether you warn them or you warn them not: they do not believe. Allah has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing; and on their eyes there is a covering, and for them awaits a mighty punishment.” (2:6-7}

It will not make any difference to such people whether you warn them or not, they will not believe. Allah has set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing and on their eyes is a veil. It is not because Allah has set a seal on their hearts that these non-Muslims do not understand and believe, but it is the vice-versa. It is because these non-Muslims are bent on rejecting the truth and whether you warn them or not they will not believe.



don’t expect Islam to be a philosophy!

According to Islam we believe that there is no any other god or greater than god and only one true god i.e. Allah, The Almighty, The All-Wise.
You say the Quraan does not give the freedom to choose! Why? The Quraan is the message of Allah and it is the guidance to those who fear for Allah! As in the Quraan states:

“This Book has no doubt in it - guidance for the God-fearing” (V 2:2)

So it doesn’t mean that we can’t have the choice to convert! It is Muslims fear for Allah for not going astray. So it is wrong to say that there is no freedom of choice! Allah has given humankind the will, so we have the choices! So a Muslim who converts from Islam to another means only he rejects Allah and his messengers! This means he has gone astray of Allah and he is taken into account of punishment in the hereafter! And it is not for only the Muslims! It also for those who rejects the beliefs of Allah for all humankind!

“Those who disbelieve after having accepted Faith and then increase in disbelief, their repentance shall never be accepted. They are the ones who have lost the right path.” (V 2:27)

“As for those who reject Faith and give the lie to Our Signs, they shall be companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein.” (V 2:39)

Ok! so let me get this straight & simple...

Allah creates human.. reveals Q'ran... and says "Ok I have given you the freedom to think as human"..

Then human uses that freedom to follow or explore other avenues... and the moment he does that.... he enters Allah's punishment LOG or something? So what's the freedom really means in Allah's book?

Does Allah means.. whatever you do you cannot be a non-Muslim? then what freedom is that?:eek::confused:

[sirajstc]

I Hoped for something peaceful here...As always in ElaKiri its going to a bad end...I thought this thread would give some positive points to think..but it was transformed into some shit..And i expected some respect towards religions.nothing happened in the end..!

At one place a fellow says stick to the topic while its already out of the topic..

And another thing is that some questions were omitted in this conversation...It was nt qouted at all...

And someone said that the positive points will be appreciated...But the good was also nt qouted (why?becus u dnt want to admit it)...All were only finding faults..!By this what i came to know is some guys are never to appreciate nor to agree some points..

And the pakistan cricket thing....i duno what the hell was running on his mind...I never supported pakistan and some do support pakistan...But i dnt think it is bcuz for wateva so called person meant....There was nothin deep like that in supporting the team..!


And useless arguing anymore coz wateva said.., u neva eva agree some points..u omit it and start another topic......Sad abt it..and have witnessed this in EK b4 too...!

.:: PEACE-OUT::.

*U=thoppiya hari nam daganna;)


well said bro

[sirajstc]

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MAMA PRANA GHATHNAYEN WALAKEE SITIMI

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MALU, KUKULLU Prane noveda?.ea gana katha nokaranne manda?

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wature wale giveen giwathwey ea wathura unu karanawita ea giveen ge pranaya ghathanaya kara unu watura ho tea bonnemu.
unuwatura ho tea bona kenekuta NIVAN labiya nohakida?

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apa kawruth dannemu gass/wal walatah pranayak thibe esenam
goyam gasse pranaya ghathanayakara haal labagena bath kame kese dakkinneda?
elawalu kame kese sadaranikaranaya keranneda?



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oba ediriye L.T.T.E. maragena marena ghathakeyek siti, obata ohu bombaya pipiraweemata pera ohuwa ghathanaya kirime hakiyawk athai sithamu.

oba ohuwa gathanaya karranneda?
nathinam
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ohuta bombaya piparaweemate ida harinneda?



oya tiyanne

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Can somebody please post the link to the talk pls???

Where is the blooddy link????