The Question of Vegetarianism

[rapa]

The latest book by Venerable Kiribathgoda Gnanananda Thero is on 'Vegetariansim'. The book is presented in Questions & Answers method and discusses in detail, the various beliefs prevailing in the community with regard to the consumption of non-vegetarian food by Buddhists. Any wise person can clear all his/her doubts on 'Vegetarianism' by reading the book in non-judgmental, unbiased and an open mind.


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[hdgpure]

wow grate topic macho.........u know it , I asked about it several time from u

[rapa]

wow grate topic macho.........u know it , I asked about it several time from u
yes bro,
now we can clearing our all doubt :)

[massina]

im a vegetarian...

[rapa]

im a vegetarian...
happa ubawa dekka kal :)

[hdgpure]

im a vegetarian...
nice to see here again , long time..........Isn't it?

[hdgpure]

happa ubawa dekka kal :)
mamath kiwwa withrai...........:yes: :yes:

[Shoja_Ali]

i also like to read that book of swaminwahansa.
any pdf's ?
i it is nice to know about other religious theories.

[Thilinacba]

well meka offtopic wei...but mata ahanna hituna

samaharu vegetarian kiyala eggs kanne ne...habai eegollo cake kanawa
so eggs nikanma kawenawane

[djHiran]

The latest book by Venerable Kiribathgoda Gnanananda Thero is on 'Vegetariansim'. The book is presented in Questions & Answers method and discusses in detail, the various beliefs prevailing in the community with regard to the consumption of non-vegetarian food by Buddhists. Any wise person can clear all his/her doubts on 'Vegetarianism' by reading the book in non-judgmental, unbiased and an open mind.


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I'm also a buddhist. But after reading this book in unbiased and an open mind, I dont agree with the idea presented here by ven.Kiribathgoda Gnananda Thero

[rapa]

well meka offtopic wei...but mata ahanna hituna

samaharu vegetarian kiyala eggs kanne ne...habai eegollo cake kanawa
so eggs nikanma kawenawane
ewa nam nikan mawagaththu daramayan ;)
ewa hodai thamanhe hitha rawatta ganna :yes:

[rapa]

i also like to read that book of swaminwahansa.
any pdf's ?
i it is nice to know about other religious theories.
if I got the PDF, I'll send it to you bro :D

[rapa]

I'm also a buddhist. But after reading this book in unbiased and an open mind, I dont agree with the idea presented here by ven.Kiribathgoda Gnananda Thero
I didn't read that book yet
I like to know what is the reason for your decision?

[shrawakaya]

I'm also a buddhist. But after reading this book in unbiased and an open mind, I dont agree with the idea presented here by ven.Kiribathgoda Gnananda Thero
Please note that, idea presented in this book is not of Ven. Kiribathgoda Gnanananda Thero but of our Sasthrun Wahanse (Gautama Sambuddha). Ven Gnanananda Thero just communicates to us, what really Gautama Buddha has said re this, just refering to Uthum Buddha Deshana (from Sutra/Vinaya Pitaka).

[djHiran]

Please note that, idea presented in this book is not of Ven. Kiribathgoda Gnanananda Thero but of our Sasthrun Wahanse (Gautama Sambuddha). Ven Gnanananda Thero just communicates to us, what really Gautama Buddha has said re this, just refering to Uthum Buddha Deshana (from Sutra/Vinaya Pitaka).
Being a true buddhist, I'm a true vegetarian as well. Please read the book again carefully.
Don't forget that anyone can illicitly use our Sasthrun Wahanse's deshana from Thripitaka.

[djHiran]

I didn't read that book yet
I like to know what is the reason for your decision?
Machan the overall idea is that being a vegetarian is not something essential. I don't agree to that.
But being a true vegetarian is something very difficult to do and hence have a real value.
I'm a true vegetarian

[shrawakaya]

Being a true buddhist, I'm a true vegetarian as well. Please read the book again carefully.
Don't forget that anyone can illicitly use our Sasthrun Wahanse's deshana from Thripitaka.
Dear Friend, I did read the book carefully. Not only the book, I also read all Sutra/Vinaya sections in Sutta and Vinaya pitakas to which Ven.Gnanananda Thero has referred to. Further, I also have read many more Sutra Deshana of Gautama Buddha, directly from Sutta/Vinaya Pitaka. My Dhamma knowledge is independant. Ven.Gnananda Thero's book does not conflict with my understanding of Sri Saddharma and Gautama Buddha. Even before reading this book, I had same views on the subject. So dear friend, why don't you independantly study this. There's no point in arguing here. Isn't it?

[Chamila]

The latest book by Venerable Kiribathgoda Gnanananda Thero is on 'Vegetariansim'. The book is presented in Questions & Answers method and discusses in detail, the various beliefs prevailing in the community with regard to the consumption of non-vegetarian food by Buddhists. Any wise person can clear all his/her doubts on 'Vegetarianism' by reading the book in non-judgmental, unbiased and an open mind.


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ape rate mas anubawa karana aththo meeka kiyewwoth hodai.duk widala widala merna sathage malakuna kala sathutuwena kattiyata meeka thami hoda.balanna ape ratte minissukeedenek mas nisa ledarogawalata goduru wenawadakiyala.oowen midennanam mas athhariya uthui.

[djHiran]

Dear Friend, I did read the book carefully. Not only the book, I also read all Sutra/Vinaya sections in Sutta and Vinaya pitakas to which Ven.Gnanananda Thero has referred to. Further, I also have read many more Sutra Deshana of Gautama Buddha, directly from Sutta/Vinaya Pitaka. My Dhamma knowledge is independant. Ven.Gnananda Thero's book does not conflict with my understanding of Sri Saddharma and Gautama Buddha. Even before reading this book, I had same views on the subject. So dear friend, why don't you independantly study this. There's no point in arguing here. Isn't it?
Ok, thank you for your idea. I also own a set of books of the total Thripitakaya. But I'm still not finished reading it.

BUT as to my opinion, to be or not to be a vegetarian is not the core of Buddhism as well. It's all about the only practicable way to attain Nibbana... So, arguing on such a topic like this is not something useful.

[Nash_Node]

Machan the overall idea is that being a vegetarian is not something essential. I don't agree to that.
But being a true vegetarian is something very difficult to do and hence have a real value.
I'm a true vegetarian

who the heck is a TRUE vegitatian ? :oo:

care to explain?

[Nash_Node]

Ok, thank you for your idea. I also own a set of books of the total Thripitakaya. But I'm still not finished reading it.

BUT as to my opinion, to be or not to be a vegetarian is not the core of Buddhism as well. It's all about the only practicable way to attain Nibbana... So, arguing on such a topic like this is not something useful.

I thought Budhdha DID consume meat. :baffled:

May be my ignorence..forgive me if so

[djHiran]

who the heck is a TRUE vegitatian ? :oo:

care to explain?
Hello Nash_Node! :D I diden't expected you here! Good good..

The heck true vegetarian I mentioned there is not as complex as you might are thinking:lol: Let me explain it this way...

well meka offtopic wei...but mata ahanna hituna
samaharu vegetarian kiyala eggs kanne ne...habai eegollo cake kanawa
so eggs nikanma kawenawane

I think that this sort of ppl Thilinacba mentioned here cannot be 'true vegetarians'. That's all.... and its only my idea. Your opinion may or may not be differ:D

And then....,

I thought Budhdha DID consume meat. :baffled:

May be my ignorence..forgive me if so

Hmm.. I honestly don't know exactly. Merely, consuming meat is not categorised as a 'sin' in Buddhism, again, that's only my idea. But if we kill them for their flesh, it is a sin. Actually Lord Buddha has preached number of facts to be considered before judge between eating flesh we found somewhere is a sin or not. According to that facts, I feel eating flesh we buy from a butcher is a sin.

[Nash_Node]

Hello Nash_Node! :D I diden't expected you here!

Eeer :oo: ok.

I am the most un-religiouse person I know :lol: .. but still, that doesn't meant I can't speak about it :)

The heck true vegetarian I mentioned there is not as complex as you might are thinking:lol: Let me explain it this way...


:baffled:, NO CAKE even ? damn !!

then that means you have to go around with the cooking receipe book to see which has meat connected to it :lol: (just pun)


Hmm.. I honestly don't know exactly. Merely, consuming meat is not categorised as a 'sin' in Buddhism, again, that's only my idea. But if we kill them for their flesh, it is a sin. Actually Lord Buddha has preached number of facts to be considered before judge between eating flesh we found somewhere is a sin or not. According to that facts, I feel eating flesh we buy from a butcher is a sin.

Budhdha's last meal was Pork right?

Sookara maddawa ? .. if I remember correctly

[maleemsg]

Budhdha's last meal was Pork right?

Sookara maddawa ? .. if I remember correctly

:no: :no: No bro....
its not a kind of meet its a kind f mushrooms.

[Asitha-K]

im a vegetarian...

But a smoker! why? can't u stop it?:oo::no:
I stopped my dad from smoking! when i was 15 years old!:yes:

[djHiran]

.. but still, that doesn't meant I can't speak about it :)

Hey Nash! I didn't told you can't speak about it :D

NO CAKE even ? damn !!

Ya. NO CAKE!

then that means you have to go around with the cooking receipe book to see which has meat connected to it :lol: (just pun)

:lol: :lol: :lol: Ya! Mum do so! :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Asitha-K]

Hey Nash! I didn't told you can't speak about it :D

Ya. NO CAKE!

:lol: :lol: :lol: Ya! Mum do so! :lol: :lol: :lol:


Even world class restorents even has recepies for vegetarians!
Even KFC(K%#$^& Fried Checken) has a vegetarian meal called vege feasta!:yes:

[Nash_Node]

:no: :no: No bro....
its not a kind of meet its a kind f mushrooms.

Sookara = PIG

right ? :oo:

[maleemsg]

Sookara = PIG

right ? :oo:

yeah Suukara - Pig

but that suukara *** thing is not Pork..!
that mushrooms taste is little bit smillar to pork thats y they have given that name...

(me mama ahala thiyana widiha weradi nam hariyata dana kenek mawa niweradi karanna)

[djHiran]

Sookara = PIG

right ? :oo:
Yes! Sookara = PIG, but that is only the name of that mushroom

A good example is, though Maalu = Fish, Aanamaalu don't swim:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Nash_Node]

yeah Suukara - Pig

but that suukara *** thing is not Pork..!
that mushrooms taste is little bit smillar to pork thats y they have given that name...

(me mama ahala thiyana widiha weradi nam hariyata dana kenek mawa niweradi karanna)

hmm, could be true. !

My bad I guess. :rofl:

thanks for the correction !

[hdgpure]

Dear Friend, I did read the book carefully. Not only the book, I also read all Sutra/Vinaya sections in Sutta and Vinaya pitakas to which Ven.Gnanananda Thero has referred to. Further, I also have read many more Sutra Deshana of Gautama Buddha, directly from Sutta/Vinaya Pitaka. My Dhamma knowledge is independant. Ven.Gnananda Thero's book does not conflict with my understanding of Sri Saddharma and Gautama Buddha. Even before reading this book, I had same views on the subject. So dear friend, why don't you independantly study this. There's no point in arguing here. Isn't it?
dat's right.no point of arguing here,,,,,,,I also unabele to read it yet.....
after reading it.......I will deliver my idea....... on dis..............
whatever It is very nice topic ...........number of things are there to solve..........

[rapa]

dat's right.no point of arguing here,,,,,,,I also unabele to read it yet.....
after reading it.......I will deliver my idea....... on dis..............
whatever It is very nice topic ...........number of things are there to solve..........
yes we plan to buy this book in the evening
we can discuss about this after read

[hdgpure]

yeah Suukara - Pig

but that suukara *** thing is not Pork..!
that mushrooms taste is little bit smillar to pork thats y they have given that name...

(me mama ahala thiyana widiha weradi nam hariyata dana kenek mawa niweradi karanna)
no....... malee........dis is ok.............
dis is what I also heard .....................
Rapa......u are the person who explaine me...................:yes: :yes:

[hdgpure]

yes we plan to buy this book in the evening
we can discuss about this after read
yap........ we have discussed about dis........number of time.............
but unable to came..........an..idea,,,,,,,,,Is'n that rapa...............

[rapa]

no....... malee........dis is ok.............
dis is what I also heard .....................
Rapa......u are the person who explaine me...................:yes: :yes:
yes machan, I heard like this too

[rapa]

yap........ we have discussed about dis........number of time.............
but unable to came..........an..idea,,,,,,,,,Is'n that rapa...............
of cause machan ;)
if we ask 10 ppl about it they have 10 deferent idea
thats why we got confuse about it
but now we have to good opportunity for heard true lord Buddha word from "pinwath loku sawamin wahase" like he did before :)

[rapa]

Machan the overall idea is that being a vegetarian is not something essential. I don't agree to that.
But being a true vegetarian is something very difficult to do and hence have a real value.
I'm a true vegetarian
machan, you can see only big animal is it?
so how can you sure about you not eat micro size of animals
cos we can't see them in human viewer range :D

[Nash_Node]

machan, you can see only big animal is it?
so how can you sure about you not eat micro size of animals
cos we can't see them in human viewer range :D

Even for a non-budhdhist like me, that's sounds SILLY :lol:

As for me, I have not objections on eating meat and I DO enjoy it a lot (but, that's just ME :rolleyes:)

However, talking about it, in the Budhdhist method. what makes eating a SIN ?

I mean, if a person goes to the butcher and buy a kilo of chicken, how does it make him a SINNER ?

excuse my ignorance, I am asking for real . not for pun:yes:

[cha_sl]

i found this at Udamaluwa Anuraadapura

there is something to think about here

for the ppl who call them vegetarians and still eat fish.

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/5741/dsc006741dh4.jpg

[djHiran]

machan, you can see only big animal is it?
so how can you sure about you not eat micro size of animals
cos we can't see them in human viewer range :D
Rapa, thats a quiet simple question.
There is a preaching of Lord Buddha ... "Chethanahan bhikkawe khamman wadami"
(I'm not fluent in Pali. Sorry if this is not how exactly it is pronounced.)

That states 'Chethana' or our thoughts causes 'kamma' but nothing else. If we do something willfully, only that causes kamma.

Mehemai, umba wahanayak elawanakota eeke brake system eke monawa hari prashnayak wela paara aine inna minihek yata karagena gihin ee miniha marunoth, eeken umbata paw sidda wenne naha! Umba wahane yana gaman kawa hari tharaha karayek dakala hithaa mathaa eyaawa yata karoth, ethakota umbata paw sidda wenawa.

Umba dannawa da meeka... Budu Hamuduruwo deeshanaa karala thiyanawa wathura bonakota unu karala niwala ganna epa kiyala! Ay dannawa da? Eeke inna ee podi saththu marena nisa! Budu Hamuduruwo deshanaa karanne ee wathura filter karala ganna kiyala.. Ethakota ee microbes la ain wenawa da kiyanna mama danne naha. Eth mama honda ma filter 2 ekak use karanawa ee nisa.

Budu hamuduruwo deshana karala thiyanawa gedara makulu dal keduwata api ta paw sidda wenne naha kiyala! Dannawa da? Ee api makuluwan ge ahaara labaganna krame winasha karanna ooni nisa nemei ne makulu dal kadanne. Thaman jeewath wana thana pirisiduwata thiyaganna ooni nisa ne. Ethakota apita paw sidda wenne naha! Budu hamuduruwo deeshana karala thiyanne makulu dal kadanakota wahale mudunin patan gena pahalata kadaagena enna kiyala..! Ay dannawa da? Ethakota makuluwan ta wahale dige bahala gedarin ain wela yanna puluwan nisa! Budu hamuduruwo api godak dennek danna tharamata wadaa godak dewal deeshanaa karala thiyanawa.

[djHiran]

Even for a non-budhdhist like me, that's sounds SILLY :lol:

As for me, I have not objections on eating meat and I DO enjoy it a lot (but, that's just ME :rolleyes:)

However, talking about it, in the Budhdhist method. what makes eating a SIN ?

I mean, if a person goes to the butcher and buy a kilo of chicken, how does it make him a SINNER ?

excuse my ignorance, I am asking for real . not for pun:yes:
Let me clear it this way...
Think you are a lawyer, and you own an office room. Then, you are sitting there and waiting.. expecting people will come to you, get your service and pay in return. Yes! People come.. Then what happens? You earn money, more and more... more people come, you earn money. But if no one come there to have your service, what happens? You wait.. still... and still.... But no one... Now what happens? You will have to give it up and try something else!
Ok, now think if you were a butcher,..... the same principle...
Everytime you go for a butcher's service, you become a customer for that sinner. He kills more and more... Why? Because he have customers! Everytime you go for his service, you become an abettor.
Lord Buddha have preached that it becomes a sin if we kill or even if we promote someone to do so....

What I believe to be true here is only Lord Buddha's preaching

[zed]

can eny one give me the PDF of this book

[randula01]

can eny one give me the PDF of this book

ekanam maru machan puluwannam karala dipan..............

[zed]

ekanam maru machan puluwannam karala dipan..............machan there is a web site called "mahamewuna.org" but mate spelings matheke naa. most probebly this book will be there:yes::yes::yes::yes:

spelings hoyala deepankoooooooooooo

[djHiran]

machan there is a web site called "mahamewuna.org" but mate spelings matheke naa. most probebly this book will be there:yes::yes::yes::yes:

spelings hoyala deepankoooooooooooo
http://www.gautamabuddha.org
Actually that site has been renamed recently. But even if you type that old name correctly, it opens this site machan

[Saduni.]

Not practicable

[x-pert]

As far as I know, thripatakaye kohe wath mas kanna epa kiyala naha :)
Dena deyak kaala beela jeewithe rakaganna kiyala thamai Sigalowada soothraye kiyala thiyenne.

Kiyala thiyenn anith saththu marnna epa kiyala witharai.

So according to buddhism, mas kana eken indirect pawak wenawa mokada mas kanna ithin saththu maranna ooni nisa.

But again, Chethanahan bikkawe kamman wadami.

Minissu mas kanne saththu marana wairayak hithe thiyagena krodayak athuwa neweine.. Saththu marala pawu purawaganna chethanawen newei neda minissu mas kanne?

Anyway oya book eke mokakda kiyala thiyenne?

[sri_lion]

Even for a non-budhdhist like me, that's sounds SILLY :lol:

As for me, I have not objections on eating meat and I DO enjoy it a lot (but, that's just ME :rolleyes:)

However, talking about it, in the Budhdhist method. what makes eating a SIN ?

I mean, if a person goes to the butcher and buy a kilo of chicken, how does it make him a SINNER ?

excuse my ignorance, I am asking for real . not for pun:yes:

Have a look at some related past threads we discussed about SIN..we had lot of fun! :lol::lol:

http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58551

http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71594

[DJ.Parker]

well meka offtopic wei...but mata ahanna hituna

samaharu vegetarian kiyala eggs kanne ne...habai eegollo cake kanawa
so eggs nikanma kawenawane

ewa nam nikan mawagaththu daramayan ;)
ewa hodai thamanhe hitha rawatta ganna :yes:

if the egg is not fertilized then there's no sin of eating it:)

p.s
mama thoppiya daagaththa wage:P

[DJ.Parker]

As far as I know, thripatakaye kohe wath mas kanna epa kiyala naha :)
Dena deyak kaala beela jeewithe rakaganna kiyala thamai Sigalowada soothraye kiyala thiyenne.

Kiyala thiyenn anith saththu marnna epa kiyala witharai.

So according to buddhism, mas kana eken indirect pawak wenawa mokada mas kanna ithin saththu maranna ooni nisa.

But again, Chethanahan bikkawe kamman wadami.

Minissu mas kanne saththu marana wairayak hithe thiyagena krodayak athuwa neweine.. Saththu marala pawu purawaganna chethanawen newei neda minissu mas kanne?

Anyway oya book eke mokakda kiyala thiyenne?

umm so ekiyanne jeewithe rakaganna mas kaawata paw nadda?:baffled:
ethakota mas marana un? un karanne rassawak........jeewithe rakaganna

apita mas noka jeewithe rakaganna pulwan....masa marannatath saththu nomara wena rakiyawak karanna puluwanne?

(any1 feel free to explain this) :D

[x-pert]

umm so ekiyanne jeewithe rakaganna mas kaawata paw nadda?:baffled:
ethakota mas marana un? un karanne rassawak........jeewithe rakaganna

apita mas noka jeewithe rakaganna pulwan....masa marannatath saththu nomara wena rakiyawak karanna puluwanne?

(any1 feel free to explain this) :D

Mama buddhist nowana nisa wadiya danne naha oowa gana. And wadiya katha karanna kamathith naha machang :)

Anyway mama hithana widihata and mama piliganna widihata thamunge jeewithe thamai wadiyen watinne. So wena kanna deyak naththam mas kaawata kisi pawak wenna widihak naha.

But mas marana kenata nam wena rakiyawak karanna baha neda? :)

Maalu allana kenek, harak marana kenek aayi ithin gihin office ekaka wada karannada?

It all depends on the buddhist pilisophy of "Chethanawa"

[DJ.Parker]

Mama buddhist nowana nisa wadiya danne naha oowa gana. And wadiya katha karanna kamathith naha machang :)

Anyway mama hithana widihata and mama piliganna widihata thamunge jeewithe thamai wadiyen watinne. So wena kanna deyak naththam mas kaawata kisi pawak wenna widihak naha.

But mas marana kenata nam wena rakiyawak karanna baha neda? :)

Maalu allana kenek, harak marana kenek aayi ithin gihin office ekaka wada karannada?

It all depends on the buddhist pilisophy of "Chethanawa"

awulak naha mucho............n katha karata eke waraddak naha.....:D
(I believe on buddha's philosophy....but I donno whether I hav the right to call myself a buddhist) :)

for me, my life is not higher than anyone else's.....but jeewithe rakagannna malakunak samahara wita kanna puluwan......eth maraagena kaamak nam wenne naha....eth self defence eka nisa samahara wita jeewithayak ahimi wenna puluwan

ya mucho office eke wada karanna baha thama.........eth kulii wadak or driving wage deyak karanna puluwanne:) (u hav to learn in order to move up the ladder) its the same for us isnt it? iskole yana kaley kenek igena gahthte nati wunata uta passe hari hodata igena gena hoda rassawak karanna puluwanne:)

and mucho jaathaka kathawaka thiyanawa harak mas marala wikunana kenek anthimata eyage life eka end weddi harakek wage wedana widala maraunu hati....ehema wune harak marapu pawa nisa.....habai chethanawa.....??? jeewath weemata ne?
to this a buddhist can giv an answer I guess......but feel free to express ur ideas xp;)

[DJ.Parker]

There is a preaching of Lord Buddha ... "Chethanahan bhikkawe khamman
Umba dannawa da meeka... Budu Hamuduruwo deeshanaa karala thiyanawa wathura bonakota unu karala niwala ganna epa kiyala! Ay dannawa da? Eeke inna ee podi saththu marena nisa! Budu Hamuduruwo deshanaa karanne ee wathura filter karala ganna kiyala.. Ethakota ee microbes la ain wenawa da kiyanna mama danne naha. Eth mama honda ma filter 2 ekak use karanawa ee nisa.


Budu hamuduruwo deshana karala thiyanawa gedara makulu dal keduwata api ta paw sidda wenne naha kiyala! Dannawa da? Ee api makuluwan ge ahaara labaganna krame winasha karanna ooni nisa nemei ne makulu dal kadanne. Thaman jeewath wana thana pirisiduwata thiyaganna ooni nisa ne. Ethakota apita paw sidda wenne naha! Budu hamuduruwo deeshana karala thiyanne makulu dal kadanakota wahale mudunin patan gena pahalata kadaagena enna kiyala..! Ay dannawa da? Ethakota makuluwan ta wahale dige bahala gedarin ain wela yanna puluwan nisa! Budu hamuduruwo api godak dennek danna tharamata wadaa godak dewal deeshanaa karala thiyanawa.


quite contrary......but true that the spider wont be losing its life:)

[DJ.Parker]

Let me clear it this way...
Think you are a lawyer, and you own an office room. Then, you are sitting there and waiting.. expecting people will come to you, get your service and pay in return. Yes! People come.. Then what happens? You earn money, more and more... more people come, you earn money. But if no one come there to have your service, what happens? You wait.. still... and still.... But no one... Now what happens? You will have to give it up and try something else!
Ok, now think if you were a butcher,..... the same principle...
Everytime you go for a butcher's service, you become a customer for that sinner. He kills more and more... Why? Because he have customers! Everytime you go for his service, you become an abettor.
Lord Buddha have preached that it becomes a sin if we kill or even if we promote someone to do so....

What I believe to be true here is only Lord Buddha's preaching

here u go xp.......this is wot I was tryin to say.......:)

[Nash_Node]

Have a look at some related past threads we discussed about SIN..we had lot of fun! :lol::lol:

http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=58551

http://www.elakiri.com/forum/showthread.php?t=71594

Thanks :D

But I love German food :lol:, and really like to keep it that way :lol:

[harsha440]

llllloooooooooooka prashnayak

[ereshthush]

im also a vegetarian :yes:

[DJ.Parker]

Thanks :D

But I love German food :lol:, and really like to keep it that way :lol:

r u still in a conscience? :P

[Nash_Node]

r u still in a conscience? :P
I am not so much conciouse about "sin" when eating meat (that's just me), but being one all my life upto now, I can firmly confirm that there are no such sicknesses or all these haloo hoolo these Vegies are pointing out.

Heck, my grandmother (95 year) still wants meat as a part of her all daily diets :P.. and she still reads even without glases. (ok, may be a fluke of a chance) but, I have nothing against anyone eating meat. (again, that's just my opinion, my 2 cents so to speak)

I know it's nothing so much to be proude, but Starting from Cricktes Fries in Japan to Snake Blood cocktail in Bankcock.....to Roasted Monkey Brain :P (which is carves out of a living monkey and fried on the spot- in Thailand) to Crocadile meat down here in MATARA, I have eaten. :lol:

Go ahead and call me a living re-incarnation of the Satan, but HECK man, I live only once and I intend to take full advantage of it.

I know, shallow, very lame, Very lame indeed, DROWN me.

But, I am someone who would keenly consider the Job Oppertunity to be the KING of HELL than a Servant in the Heaven.

That's just me and my opinion. That's all ;)

[x-pert]

here u go xp.......this is wot I was tryin to say.......:)

Well then the teachings of Buddha contradicts with each other ne machang....

Mama ahala thiyana widihata okkotama mul wenne hitha saha chethanawa.

So mas kana miniha eeka saththu marana chethanawen karanne naththam eeka pawak wenne kohomada?

And kalin kiyuwa ekata>> Saththu marapu kenek kawadaawath eeka jeewath weema pinisa kiyala hithaagena karanne naha machang. Eyala dannawa karanne pawak kiyala. Maalu allana aya gana newei kiyanne. :)

[DJ.Parker]

Well then the teachings of Buddha contradicts with each other ne machang....
Mama ahala thiyana widihata okkotama mul wenne hitha saha chethanawa.

So mas kana miniha eeka saththu marana chethanawen karanne naththam eeka pawak wenne kohomada?

And kalin kiyuwa ekata>> Saththu marapu kenek kawadaawath eeka jeewath weema pinisa kiyala hithaagena karanne naha machang. Eyala dannawa karanne pawak kiyala. Maalu allana aya gana newei kiyanne. :)

That's why I hav quoted the post about boiling the water and cleaning the cobweb......so me too waiting for a good reply

mas kana eka dannawanam thamata mas wenuwata kanna ewa onatharam thiyanawa saha thamage badaginna wenuwen jeewithayak nathiwenawa kiyala?

sathawa maranne api kana nisane ;)

[DJ.Parker]

I'm also a buddhist. But after reading this book in unbiased and an open mind, I dont agree with the idea presented here by ven.Kiribathgoda Gnananda Thero

oya pothe kiyala thiyenne kohomada machan? :)

[x-pert]

That's why I hav quoted the post about boiling the water and cleaning the cobweb......so me too waiting for a good reply

mas kana eka dannawanam thamata mas wenuwata kanna ewa onatharam thiyanawa saha thamage badaginna wenuwen jeewithayak nathiwenawa kiyala?

sathawa maranne api kana nisane ;)

And the cob web thing I also didn't get it macho...

Mokada apita pirisiduwa gewal thiyaganna ooni nisa makulu dal kadanna puluwan nam, ayi api bona wathura eka pirisidu karaganna kiyala unu karanna baha kiyanne? ?

Mokada filter kala kiyala germs marenne nahane. :)

[sri_lion]

That's why I hav quoted the post about boiling the water and cleaning the cobweb......so me too waiting for a good reply

mas kana eka dannawanam thamata mas wenuwata kanna ewa onatharam thiyanawa saha thamage badaginna wenuwen jeewithayak nathiwenawa kiyala?

sathawa maranne api kana nisane ;)

I dont think you need rocket scientists to figure whather you are doing a SIN or not!

Like x-pert said in Buddhism everything revolves around your MIND, your MIND is the key to your actions and your actions are the key to your destiny..because Buddhism is based on cause and effect!

If you need to complete a SIN you gotta full fill 5 steps! (Panathi paatha)

1. You need to know its alive
2. You get the thought of killing it
3. You make a plan to kill it
4. You execute the plan
5. You kill it using the executed plan

Now you can put all your scenarios in it and see whether it goes through! if all ticks then it is indeed a SIN, if not.. its not!

[DJ.Parker]

I dont think you need rocket scientists to figure whather you are doing a SIN or not!

Like x-pert said in Buddhism everything revolves around your MIND, your MIND is the key to your actions and your actions are the key to your destiny..because Buddhism is based on cause and effect!

If you need to complete a SIN you gotta full fill 5 steps! (Panathi paatha)

1. You need to know its alive
2. You get the thought of killing it
3. You make a plan to kill it
4. You execute the plan
5. You kill it using the executed plan

Now you can put all your scenarios in it and see whether it goes through! if all ticks then it is indeed a SIN, if not.. its not!

tnx mucho
so the bottomline is eating meat is not a sin:)

btw hav u read this book rapa referring to?

[djHiran]

tnx mucho
so the bottomline is eating meat is not a sin:)

btw hav u read this book rapa referring to?
OK! Don't go to butcher! Because according to Lord Buddha's preachings, killing or promoting others to do so is a sin...

[sri_lion]

tnx mucho
so the bottomline is eating meat is not a sin:)

Yes! but as Buddhists we should know that one of the Fundamental things in Buddhism is Compassion (Maithree) so it is not encouraged that you eat meat as it would encourage others to kill for you! Once again.. cause and effect comes into place.. you are causing a demand and as a effect someone must kill for you!

Well...even hamuduruwo eating "Umbalakada" (Dired Fish/Maldivian Fish) right?

btw hav u read this book rapa referring to?

No machang I haven't, but I'd love to!

[DJ.Parker]

OK! Don't go to butcher! Because according to Lord Buddha's preachings, killing or promoting others to do so is a sin...

according to what sri lion has posted that's the idea I've got (paanathi paatha) :confused:

n now u say this..... so if a person gets meat from a supermarket will it b a sin?

[djHiran]

according to what sri lion has posted that's the idea I've got (paanathi paatha) :confused:

n now u say this..... so if a person gets meat from a supermarket will it b a sin?
Think clear... Promoting others to kill is a sin. Everytime you pay for flesh, you promote them to kill more

[DJ.Parker]

Yes! but as Buddhists we should know that one of the Fundamental things in Buddhism is Compassion (Maithree) so it is not encouraged that you eat meat as it would encourage others to kill for you! Once again.. cause and effect comes into place.. you are causing a demand and as a effect someone must kill for you!

Well...even hamuduruwo eating "Umbalakada" (Dired Fish/Maldivian Fish) right?



No machang I haven't, but I'd love to!

it is encouraging neda muchang?
so this whole demand and supply thing wouldnt u sin is it? kinda confused.:confused: :)

I guess they do....:) and they cant deny if the almsgivin includes meat ne?

[Kalindugayan]

i also like to read that book of swaminwahansa.
any pdf's ?
i it is nice to know about other religious theories.
:yes: :yes:
V also like

[DJ.Parker]

Think clear... Promoting others to kill is a sin. Everytime you pay for flesh, you promote them to kill more

that's what I thought. now can u pls explain how it would complete the following steps?:)


If you need to complete a SIN you gotta full fill 5 steps! (Panathi paatha)

1. You need to know its alive
2. You get the thought of killing it
3. You make a plan to kill it
4. You execute the plan
5. You kill it using the executed plan

[pakaya15]

Ettha thamai kathawa

[djHiran]

that's what I thought. now can u pls explain how it would complete the following steps?:)


If you need to complete a SIN you gotta full fill 5 steps! (Panathi paatha)

1. You need to know its alive
2. You get the thought of killing it
3. You make a plan to kill it
4. You execute the plan
5. You kill it using the executed plan
No thats not what I mean. If you go to a supermarket and buy meat, that does not cause a SIN of killing an animal. But, that completes another kind of SIN of promoting that original SINNER to kill more for money

[sri_lion]

it is encouraging neda muchang?
so this whole demand and supply thing wouldnt u sin is it? kinda confused.:confused: :)

I guess they do....:) and they cant deny if the almsgivin includes meat ne?

Yeah! that's what I'm saying.. you are encouraging others to kill for you..

But this can happen in 2 ways right?

Lets take a scenario of we buying a chicken @ a supermarket, so when you buy the Animal is already dead, so according to our list the 1st criteria is already broken!

But...you ask someone, lets say you go to a chicken farm and point at a live chicken ask the owner directly...."I want that one", in this incident you are right on track!

1. You know the animal is alive
2. You have the thought of killing it
3. Your plan is to get the farmer do it for you
4. Farmer execute plan (which is your plan too)
5. Kill the animal (according to the agreement between you and him)

You both are guilty and officially sinned!

[x-pert]

Yeah! that's what I'm saying.. you are encouraging others to kill for you..

But this can happen in 2 ways right?

Lets take a scenario of we buying a chicken @ a supermarket, so when you buy the Animal is already dead, so according to our list the 1st criteria is already broken!

But...you ask someone, lets say you go to a chicken farm and point at a live chicken ask the owner directly...."I want that one", in this incident you are right on track!

1. You know the animal is alive
2. You have the thought of killing it
3. Your plan is to get the farmer do it for you
4. Farmer execute plan (which is your plan too)
5. Kill the animal (according to the agreement between you and him)

You both are guilty and officially sinned!

Cool :cool: and nice :)

Again, sin is a matter of perspective I guess :)

Even I know some bhikkus eating eggs, fish and chicken.
Some asks for it directly.

Anyway completing the panathipatha thing is a new thing for me :) thx

[Asitha-K]

Cool :cool: and nice :)

Again, sin is a matter of perspective I guess :)

Even I know some bhikkus eating eggs, fish and chicken.
Some asks for it directly.

Anyway completing the panathipatha thing is a new thing for me :) thx
This is not only for panathipatha, Other 4sins also have 5 stages to complete!:yes:

[x-pert]

This is not only for panathipatha, Other 4sins also have 5 stages to complete!:yes:

I see :)

So basically the literal conclusion of the above is eating meat is not a sin unless you kill the animal.

[sampath312]

No thats not what I mean. If you go to a supermarket and buy meat, that does not cause a SIN of killing an animal. But, that completes another kind of SIN of promoting that original SINNER to kill more for money


dear bro I dont see a big deferent in it..But I have herd some of our popular bikkus even using this same Idea to get rid of this...If we dont eat, to whom the killer do kill a animal for....to whom he market for??? promotion comes second ma brother...first he started for the person who consume it:yes: so it doesn't matter the place you buy...directly by butcher or the super market...:yes:


he kills as we eat
as we keep on eating he is promoted;)

[rapa]

Even for a non-budhdhist like me, that's sounds SILLY :lol:

As for me, I have not objections on eating meat and I DO enjoy it a lot (but, that's just ME :rolleyes:)

However, talking about it, in the Budhdhist method. what makes eating a SIN ?

I mean, if a person goes to the butcher and buy a kilo of chicken, how does it make him a SINNER ?

excuse my ignorance, I am asking for real . not for pun:yes:
it's not sin machan,
when you're eating meat you don't brake following rules

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/24/35388/meat_eat.jpg

[rapa]

Rapa, thats a quiet simple question.
There is a preaching of Lord Buddha ... "Chethanahan bhikkawe khamman wadami"
(I'm not fluent in Pali. Sorry if this is not how exactly it is pronounced.)

That states 'Chethana' or our thoughts causes 'kamma' but nothing else. If we do something willfully, only that causes kamma.

Mehemai, umba wahanayak elawanakota eeke brake system eke monawa hari prashnayak wela paara aine inna minihek yata karagena gihin ee miniha marunoth, eeken umbata paw sidda wenne naha! Umba wahane yana gaman kawa hari tharaha karayek dakala hithaa mathaa eyaawa yata karoth, ethakota umbata paw sidda wenawa.

Umba dannawa da meeka... Budu Hamuduruwo deeshanaa karala thiyanawa wathura bonakota unu karala niwala ganna epa kiyala! Ay dannawa da? Eeke inna ee podi saththu marena nisa! Budu Hamuduruwo deshanaa karanne ee wathura filter karala ganna kiyala.. Ethakota ee microbes la ain wenawa da kiyanna mama danne naha. Eth mama honda ma filter 2 ekak use karanawa ee nisa.

Budu hamuduruwo deshana karala thiyanawa gedara makulu dal keduwata api ta paw sidda wenne naha kiyala! Dannawa da? Ee api makuluwan ge ahaara labaganna krame winasha karanna ooni nisa nemei ne makulu dal kadanne. Thaman jeewath wana thana pirisiduwata thiyaganna ooni nisa ne. Ethakota apita paw sidda wenne naha! Budu hamuduruwo deeshana karala thiyanne makulu dal kadanakota wahale mudunin patan gena pahalata kadaagena enna kiyala..! Ay dannawa da? Ethakota makuluwan ta wahale dige bahala gedarin ain wela yanna puluwan nisa! Budu hamuduruwo api godak dennek danna tharamata wadaa godak dewal deeshanaa karala thiyanawa.
ow machan oba hari chathanawa thamai hema dekatama mul wenne
ekathamai prana gathayak karanna karuna 5k sampurana wenna oni kiyalath buddha deshanawe thiyenne :)
meke thiyenne mehemai machan
den ada kale innawane nirmansha kiyala loketama kiya kiya ekam niwanata yana margaya wage hithagena inna pirisak

anna emathaya sampuranayen weradi adahasak ;)

mas, malu kewa nokeewa kiyala eka niravanayata yana maragayata badhawak nowei kiyala buddha deshan diha balapuwam hodinma pehedili wenawa :)

[rapa]

As far as I know, thripatakaye kohe wath mas kanna epa kiyala naha :)
Dena deyak kaala beela jeewithe rakaganna kiyala thamai Sigalowada soothraye kiyala thiyenne.

Kiyala thiyenn anith saththu marnna epa kiyala witharai.

So according to buddhism, mas kana eken indirect pawak wenawa mokada mas kanna ithin saththu maranna ooni nisa.

But again, Chethanahan bikkawe kamman wadami.

Minissu mas kanne saththu marana wairayak hithe thiyagena krodayak athuwa neweine.. Saththu marala pawu purawaganna chethanawen newei neda minissu mas kanne?

Anyway oya book eke mokakda kiyala thiyenne?
pothe pehediliwa pennala thiyenne mas keewa kiyala pawak wath eka thamange darama jeewithayata badawak wath nowei kiyala thamai :)
mas keewa kiyala hari, mas kana nisa saththu maranawa kiya pawak wenne nee machan, pawak wenne thama udesa mas pinisa yam sathek meruwoth witharai
eka buddha desahanwe vistharathmakawa sadahan karala thiyenawa
hebai mee pothe aramuna nirmansha ayawa mas kanna huru karawan eka nemai
niramansa una pamanin eya eka hethuwe vishesh pinak kara nogannawa sema, mas kewa kiyala wishesha pawk kara noganna bawa penawa deema :yes:

[rapa]

if the egg is not fertilized then there's no sin of eating it:)

p.s
mama thoppiya daagaththa wage:P
mas kala pawak nethnam biththara gena kumana kathada? ;)
mama etha kiwwe machan ehema paw kiyala nokanawanam eka hariyata karanna oni
nethuwa biththara noka cake keewama hariyanwada? :lol:

[rapa]

umm so ekiyanne jeewithe rakaganna mas kaawata paw nadda?:baffled:
ethakota mas marana un? un karanne rassawak........jeewithe rakaganna

apita mas noka jeewithe rakaganna pulwan....masa marannatath saththu nomara wena rakiyawak karanna puluwanne?

(any1 feel free to explain this) :D

mas keewa kiyala pawak siddha wenne nee, hebai eunata meruwoth nam pawk sidda wenawa
den kenekuta kiyanna puluwan kana nisane maranne kiyala, hebai ekema anikapeththath thiyenawane marana nisane kanne kiyalath kiyanna puluwan ne ;)
eya ee rekiyawa thora gaththe pera kala karamyak nisa wenna puluwan
budu dahame hema karunakma kiyala thiyenne karamayata sapekshawane :)

[rapa]

and mucho jaathaka kathawaka thiyanawa harak mas marala wikunana kenek anthimata eyage life eka end weddi harakek wage wedana widala maraunu hati....ehema wune harak marapu pawa nisa.....habai chethanawa.....??? jeewath weemata ne?


oya kiyala thiyene jathaka katthawe harakek nemai uro marana kekek gena thamai kiyala thiyenne mata mathaka widiyata ;)
oya hema detama saralawa chethanawa kiya kiya kiwwata
chethanwa unath ee ee thenwaladi siumwa bedenawa
den oya uro maran manussaya jeewath weeme chethanwa thibbata
balanna eya mechethanth athiwelad kiyala?

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/5/24/35388/meat_eat.jpg

den oya mas kana manussayek oya chethana athiwenawada? :)

[asanka10]

Mama hitana widiyata minissu mas kana eka nawattuwoth mas kadath wahila yai,,, etakota ee pawath nawatiweiiiii....
nawattapalla mas kana eka...
mamath habi thama try karanawa... moko dannawada
eka paratama wenas wenna ba,,, gedara uyana deyak kanawa...
himihita gedara ayata oya wade epa karanna one... mas kana ekak nawatanna hetu pennana one...
ita passe hari.....

[rapa]

oya pothe kiyala thiyenne kohomada machan? :)

pothe kiyala thiyenne mas nokewa kiyala eyata amuthu pink wath, mas kewa kiyala eyata mauth pawk wath wenne nee, hebai mas nokan aya mas kawanna nemai mee potha liyala thiyenne
me karunu okkoma buddha deshna walinma pehedili karala thiyenne
eka nisa mewa kagewath uwamanwata lipuwa kiyala kiyanna behe :)

[rapa]

Cool :cool: and nice :)

Again, sin is a matter of perspective I guess :)

Even I know some bhikkus eating eggs, fish and chicken.
Some asks for it directly.

Anyway completing the panathipatha thing is a new thing for me :) thx

hebai putho oya karunu 5k thiyena nisa ah okkoma keduwamane paw sidda wenne
eka nisa aulk nee kiyala inn be :lol:
oken 1k hithuwa ee silapadaye kedune nethath eka duwala weemak sidda wenawa
ethkota ee pudgalayat yam pawak sidda wenawa ;)

[rapa]

Mama hitana widiyata minissu mas kana eka nawattuwoth mas kadath wahila yai,,, etakota ee pawath nawatiweiiiii....
nawattapalla mas kana eka...
mamath habi thama try karanawa... moko dannawada
eka paratama wenas wenna ba,,, gedara uyana deyak kanawa...
himihita gedara ayata oya wade epa karanna one... mas kana ekak nawatanna hetu pennana one...
ita passe hari.....
me pothe pennala deela thiyenne mas kewa nokewa kiyala amuthuwen pawk hari, pinak hari sidda wenne nee kiyala :)

[asanka10]

me pothe pennala deela thiyenne mas kewa nokewa kiyala amuthuwen pawk hari, pinak hari sidda wenne nee kiyala :)
umba mula darmawadi...... kenekda,,,?:confused:

[rapa]

umba mula darmawadi...... kenekda,,,?:confused:
muladarama wadee kiwwe mona adahasinda?
mata poddak pehedili karala denawada? :)

[asanka10]

muladarama wadee kiwwe mona adahasinda?
mata poddak pehedili karala denawada? :)
hmmm mata danganna one... smannaya bauddha kenek neda kiyala,,,
godak kattiya tamanta ona widiyata agama hadagene tiyenne...
ekai ahawwe..
mata hariyatama pahadili karanna wachana na...
terenewa ne mama kiyana de.... mata danaganna one.. mas kawata PAW nadda....
kana eken pawata konakinwath gawenne nadda,,,?

[asanka10]

mama yanwa passe set una welawaka mama ahannam.... BUDUSARANAI...

[rapa]

hmmm mata danganna one... smannaya bauddha kenek neda kiyala,,,
godak kattiya tamanta ona widiyata agama hadagene tiyenne...
ekai ahawwe..
mata hariyatama pahadili karanna wachana na...
terenewa ne mama kiyana de.... mata danaganna one.. mas kawata PAW nadda....
kana eken pawata konakinwath gawenne nadda,,,?

anna ehema ahuwaham hodata therenawa :D
ne mama hoyanneth pirisidu budda deshanawala thiyena dewal thamai
puluwan nam mee potha aragena kiyawanna (mama oka eka digata peya 1.30n kiyewa mokada oya potha nawa kathawak wage kiyawala hariyanne nee ethakota pothe thiyena niyama dahasa dena ganna amarui mokada api hemotama amathaka veeme rogaya thiyenawane ;))
me pothe pehediliwa pennala thiyenawa budda deshana walinm aragena budurajanan wahanse maskanna epa kiyalwath ehema keewa kiyalawath pawak sidda wenne nee kiyala
hodama wede oya potha aregena kiyawan eka
yanna maradane dayawansha jayakodi ekata ethan potha thiyenawa ewagema 20% adumilata gannath puluwan poth rs.130 :D

[just]

not exactly wat book says?..sorry no way of reading it..

so according to the book eating meat has nothing to do with buddism?:confused:

[rapa]

not exactly wat book says?..sorry no way of reading it..

so according to the book eating meat has nothing to do with buddism?:confused:
just read my all reply ;)

[just]

just read my all reply ;)

k ill soon ;);)

[Nash_Node]

not exactly wat book says?..sorry no way of reading it..

so according to the book eating meat has nothing to do with buddism?:confused:

All I gathered from this whole thread is.

Eat Meat
Don't think about the animal

:D

call my a hypocrit

[rapa]

All I gathered from this whole thread is.
Don't think about the animal


sounds like a idiot :no:

[just]

All I gathered from this whole thread is.

Eat Meat
Don't think about the animal

:D

call my a hypocrit
sounds like a idiot :no:
arrrr........oops

[TΞΞNSTAR™]

arrrr........oops

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::dull::dull::dull::d ull::dull:

[Nash_Node]

sounds like a idiot :no:

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Maaaan, you are so full of your self !!! IDOT

You didn't see the LAST LINE of my reply

Just.. saw my name, read the first two lines.. and replied..

[DJ.Parker]

hebai putho oya karunu 5k thiyena nisa ah okkoma keduwamane paw sidda wenne
eka nisa aulk nee kiyala inn be :lol:
oken 1k hithuwa ee silapadaye kedune nethath eka duwala weemak sidda wenawa
ethkota ee pudgalayat yam pawak sidda wenawa ;)

so ethakota ema "yam aakaraye pawa" niwanata badha nowanne kohomada?

[rapa]

so ethakota ema "yam aakaraye pawa" niwanata badha nowanne kohomada?
mehemai den mas kewa kiyla oya 5n ekaka hari kedenawada kiyala balanna oni
ewagema budu daham gena tikaka gemburuna dayanaya karana kota budurajanana wahanse kiyala thiyenawa sulu ho pawak sidu nowenne rahath unata passe witharai kiyala
ekiyanna sown, anagamee, skruda gamee, arahath ... oaya wage eeta pahalin thiyena hema sithakam akusal karama athi wenna puluwan
owagena hoyanna patan ganna ethakota oyatath hodata wetaheemak laba ganna puluwan :yes:

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pothe pehediliwa pennala thiyenne mas keewa kiyala pawak wath eka thamange darama jeewithayata badawak wath nowei kiyala thamai :)
mas keewa kiyala hari, mas kana nisa saththu maranawa kiya pawak wenne nee machan, pawak wenne thama udesa mas pinisa yam sathek meruwoth witharai
eka buddha desahanwe vistharathmakawa sadahan karala thiyenawa
hebai mee pothe aramuna nirmansha ayawa mas kanna huru karawan eka nemai
niramansa una pamanin eya eka hethuwe vishesh pinak kara nogannawa sema, mas kewa kiyala wishesha pawk kara noganna bawa penawa deema :yes:

ElaKiri :D

Mechchara kal bauddha kattiya godak denek hoya hoya hitapu prashnekata ehenam hari uththarayak labila :)

ooka ohoma une naththam buddha teachings ekakata ekak contradict wenawa mama kalin kiyuwa wage. eekai mata thibunu gataluwa. Anyway dan hari :D

Dan methanin wechcha hodama wade, dan kaatawath wena aagamaka minissu pahath karala katha karanna baha. mokada mona aagamewath kiyala naha mas kaawoth pawu kiyala. But jeewithayak nathi kaloth nam pawu sidda wenawa thamai. :)

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ElaKiri :D

Mechchara kal bauddha kattiya godak denek hoya hoya hitapu prashnekata ehenam hari uththarayak labila :)

ooka ohoma une naththam buddha teachings ekakata ekak contradict wenawa mama kalin kiyuwa wage. eekai mata thibunu gataluwa. Anyway dan hari :D

Dan methanin wechcha hodama wade, dan kaatawath wena aagamaka minissu pahath karala katha karanna baha. mokada mona aagamewath kiyala naha mas kaawoth pawu kiyala. But jeewithayak nathi kaloth nam pawu sidda wenawa thamai. :)

mama unath hitiye issara anik peththe ;)
kiyawaddi thamai therenne hari weredda :)
meke perawadanedima loku sawamin wahanse kiyala thiyenawa "ekama mathayaka elabgena emathayama hari kiyala ideema an agamikayata kese wethath bauddayekuta sudusu deyak nemai budurajanan wahanse deshna karala thiyenne nuwanin vimasa vimasa daham karunu awaboda kara gann kiya"

hebai budurajanan wahanse gava mas keem agena nam vishesha sadahanak karala thiyenawa ;)

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mama unath hitiye issara anik peththe ;)
kiyawaddi thamai therenne hari weredda :)
meke perawadanedima loku sawamin wahanse kiyala thiyenawa "ekama mathayaka elabgena emathayama hari kiyala ideema an agamikayata kese wethath bauddayekuta sudusu deyak nemai budurajanan wahanse deshna karala thiyenne nuwanin vimasa vimasa daham karunu awaboda kara gann kiya"

hebai budurajanan wahanse gava mas keem agena nam vishesha sadahanak karala thiyenawa ;)

eeka mona aagame unath thina deyak.

Mooladharmawadiyo nam ohe thiyana okkoma piliaragena innawa. namuth oonima aagamaka buddhimathun innawa. eyala aagama hariyata therum gannawa.

Ubath hari de pahu wela hari therum gaththa eka hodai machang :)

Owu, apita godak sewaya karana gawayawa marala maka eka pahath wadak wenna puluwan :)

ooka thamai muslim aagame mama ahala thiyanawa eyala piliganna widihata Allah mawala thiyanawa minissunta kanna hoda saththu saha naraka saththu.

Catholic aagameth ehema tikak kiyanawa.

okkoma aagam wala samanakam godak thiyanawa ehema baluwahama. Mokada okkoma aya anthimatama piliganne, adahanne, garu karanne ekama mulayakata nisa.

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ElaKiri :D

Mechchara kal bauddha kattiya godak denek hoya hoya hitapu prashnekata ehenam hari uththarayak labila :)

ooka ohoma une naththam buddha teachings ekakata ekak contradict wenawa mama kalin kiyuwa wage. eekai mata thibunu gataluwa. Anyway dan hari :D

Dan methanin wechcha hodama wade, dan kaatawath wena aagamaka minissu pahath karala katha karanna baha. mokada mona aagamewath kiyala naha mas kaawoth pawu kiyala. But jeewithayak nathi kaloth nam pawu sidda wenawa thamai. :)

Machang ekak kiyanna oni... Ada thiyenne buduhamuduruwo kiyapu dharmaya nemei machang...Ada wadiya thiyenne loketa parakase dagena inna dharmayak..godak aya thaman ge wasiyata agama pawa wenas karagena ada!

Mewa attatama lajjawen unath kiyanna wenawa oya agama wawan kana aya athara loku loku nam thiyena hamuduruwaruth innawa kiayala,eth duka ada oya gana apita aththatama katha karannath bari tharam ewa mul bahala..ithama dukkitha thathwayak...(meka Budu Dahamatama pamanak seema una deyakuth nemei)

Mage personal opinion eka nam...anun kiyala denakal inne nathiwa thaman mahansi wela budu dahama igena ganna eka thamanta wada wiswasadayakai!

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Machang ekak kiyanna oni... Ada thiyenne buduhamuduruwo kiyapu dharmaya nemei machang...Ada wadiya thiyenne loketa parakase dagena inna dharmayak..godak aya thaman ge wasiyata agama pawa wenas karagena ada!

Mewa attatama lajjawen unath kiyanna wenawa oya agama wawan kana aya athara loku loku nam thiyena hamuduruwaruth innawa kiayala,eth duka ada oya gana apita aththatama katha karannath bari tharam ewa mul bahala..ithama dukkitha thathwayak...(meka Budu Dahamatama pamanak seema una deyakuth nemei)

Mage personal opinion eka nam...anun kiyala denakal inne nathiwa thaman mahansi wela budu dahama igena ganna eka thamanta wada wiswasadayakai!

That's the same with every religion in the world I guess.

Because, all those sacred books (Thripitaka, Bible, Kuran, Bhagawan Geetha) had a long history and they have evolved with time. So depending of the cultural, social backgrounds of different eras, the content had changed....

Ya, the best option would be to learn by yourself!

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eeka mona aagame unath thina deyak.

Mooladharmawadiyo nam ohe thiyana okkoma piliaragena innawa. namuth oonima aagamaka buddhimathun innawa. eyala aagama hariyata therum gannawa.

Ubath hari de pahu wela hari therum gaththa eka hodai machang :)

Owu, apita godak sewaya karana gawayawa marala maka eka pahath wadak wenna puluwan :)

ooka thamai muslim aagame mama ahala thiyanawa eyala piliganna widihata Allah mawala thiyanawa minissunta kanna hoda saththu saha naraka saththu.

Catholic aagameth ehema tikak kiyanawa.

okkoma aagam wala samanakam godak thiyanawa ehema baluwahama. Mokada okkoma aya anthimatama piliganne, adahanne, garu karanne ekama mulayakata nisa.

okata hoda kathawaka kiwwa lokusawamin wahanse pahu giya 31 da horana pawathwapu darma wedatahanedi

loku sawamin whanse hambenna candawe inna lankawe kenek awilla
meya hebai pastor kenek awilla kiyala thiyennawa mama oba wahnsege darama deshna walata sawan denawa eka nisa mata budurajanan gena pehedeema athi wuna den mata penawa unawhanse pawasala thiyena niyama anithyaya
mama meheta awama mama hitapu game mage neeyo nee, parana maha gedara nee, issara hitapu adunana aya nee ewa okkoma nesena sulu dewal kiyala
epara loku sawamin wahanse kiyala thiyenawa
oba thumatai mata sidda wen eka deya thiyenawa mokdda? api dennam merenawa
ithin api me loka dekak hadagena idala wedak nee anithimata yanne eka thenakatanam, eka nisa api kala yuththe niyama sathyaya hoyagea yeema kiya :)

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okata hoda kathawaka kiwwa lokusawamin wahanse pahu giya 31 da horana pawathwapu darma wedatahanedi

loku sawamin whanse hambenna candawe inna lankawe kenek awilla
meya hebai pastor kenek awilla kiyala thiyennawa mama oba wahnsege darama deshna walata sawan denawa eka nisa mata budurajanan gena pehedeema athi wuna den mata penawa unawhanse pawasala thiyena niyama anithyaya
mama meheta awama mama hitapu game mage neeyo nee, parana maha gedara nee, issara hitapu adunana aya nee ewa okkoma nesena sulu dewal kiyala
epara loku sawamin wahanse kiyala thiyenawa
oba thumatai mata sidda wen eka deya thiyenawa mokdda? api dennam merenawa
ithin api me loka dekak hadagena idala wedak nee anithimata yanne eka thenakatanam, eka nisa api kala yuththe niyama sathyaya hoyagea yeema kiya :)

owu eeka hari. Api okkomalla karanne hama aagamakama oya kiyana sathyaya soyagena yaama thamai neda :)

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Machang ekak kiyanna oni... Ada thiyenne buduhamuduruwo kiyapu dharmaya nemei machang...Ada wadiya thiyenne loketa parakase dagena inna dharmayak..godak aya thaman ge wasiyata agama pawa wenas karagena ada!

Mewa attatama lajjawen unath kiyanna wenawa oya agama wawan kana aya athara loku loku nam thiyena hamuduruwaruth innawa kiayala,eth duka ada oya gana apita aththatama katha karannath bari tharam ewa mul bahala..ithama dukkitha thathwayak...(meka Budu Dahamatama pamanak seema una deyakuth nemei)

Mage personal opinion eka nam...anun kiyala denakal inne nathiwa thaman mahansi wela budu dahama igena ganna eka thamanta wada wiswasadayakai!

ow machan godak denek daramaya thamanta wasi wena widiyat wensa karala kiyanwa
oya prashne me pothteka ahala thiyenawa
me pothdi lokuswamin wahnsegen prashna 51k ahanawa ewata dena pilithuru okkoma deela thiyenne thripitakaye thiyen mul suthra ha deshan anusarayen e suthra aithi nikaya, suthraye nama ehemath sadahan karala thiyenawa
eka nisa kenekuta mewaye aththa neththa vimasal balanna puluwan :)

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owu eeka hari. Api okkomalla karanne hama aagamakama oya kiyana sathyaya soyagena yaama thamai neda :)
ow eunata hema agamaka ee yana maragaya ekama vidiyak ganne nee
samhara agam wala dedi neethi rethi dalath thiyenawa
mama danna widiyata budu dahame witharai kiyala thiyenne daramay vimasa bala ganna kiyana ekath
samhara ewaye ehema vimasan ekath pawak, nethnam thahanam wedak
ekai ara kalin kiwwe loka dekaka hira wela innawa kiyala ;)

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mas keewa kiyala pawak siddha wenne nee, hebai eunata meruwoth nam pawk sidda wenawa
den kenekuta kiyanna puluwan kana nisane maranne kiyala, hebai ekema anikapeththath thiyenawane marana nisane kanne kiyalath kiyanna puluwan ne ;)
eya ee rekiyawa thora gaththe pera kala karamyak nisa wenna puluwan
budu dahame hema karunakma kiyala thiyenne karamayata sapekshawane :)


macho ethakota a kiyanne unge karumeta un marenawa a nisa kanawa kiyala da???


:lol:

mehema kiyamuko muhuden maluwek allanawa...habai maranna nemey..genath goda danawa..ethakota ithin marenawa...eka nisa kanawa..paw naha...moko maranna nemey alluwe namuth maruna...eka nisai kawe....


mona unoth macho man nam meke maha amuthu gaburak dakinne naha...pal badagena katha karanna tharam,,,moko hamoma thamange jeewitha walata aderei....so ithin ape sathuta wenuwen sathekuge sathuta nathi karanna oneda???


anna atika athi one nam nirmansha wenna..eeta wada monawath oneda??? pawda pinda kiya kiya maha lokuwata katha karanna


ape sathuta wenuwen wena kenaukuge sathuta udura gatha uthuda??? eka therum gaththoth athi neda:)

(man potha nam kiyawala naha)

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macho ethakota a kiyanne unge karumeta un marenawa a nisa kanawa kiyala da???


:lol:

mehema kiyamuko muhuden maluwek allanawa...habai maranna nemey..genath goda danawa..ethakota ithin marenawa...eka nisa kanawa..paw naha...moko maranna nemey alluwe namuth maruna...eka nisai kawe....


mona unoth macho man nam meke maha amuthu gaburak dakinne naha...pal badagena katha karanna tharam,,,moko hamoma thamange jeewitha walata aderei....so ithin ape sathuta wenuwen sathekuge sathuta nathi karanna oneda???


anna atika athi one nam nirmansha wenna..eeta wada monawath oneda??? pawda pinda kiya kiya maha lokuwata katha karanna


ape sathuta wenuwen wena kenaukuge sathuta udura gatha uthuda??? eka therum gaththoth athi neda:)

(man potha nam kiyawala naha)
mulinma potha kiyawala inne
nethnam wada kara kara inna eke therumak nee
api dennagema kalaya nasthi wenawa witharai wenne :)

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ow eunata hema agamaka ee yana maragaya ekama vidiyak ganne nee
samhara agam wala dedi neethi rethi dalath thiyenawa
mama danna widiyata budu dahame witharai kiyala thiyenne daramay vimasa bala ganna kiyana ekath
samhara ewaye ehema vimasan ekath pawak, nethnam thahanam wedak
ekai ara kalin kiwwe loka dekaka hira wela innawa kiyala ;)
neethi thadada lihil da kiyala maninne kohomada kiyala man danne na..

but if you need to build up something you need a framework and laws to protect that framework from collapsing. you need punishments to prevent wats being build from getting destroyed

each religion adopts its own solution for this, some more practical and some less practical depents on what common man wants to achive and how far the religion can serve that.

most religions gives the freedom to choos but once it chosen based on firm belief its correct, trying to question it without a limit will only just detroy it.so its protected from the laws and punishments.

any system should work like this in order to survive within set of natures rules. thats the reality, if you take from United Nations to a family all social structures work like this.

this has helped the major religions to survive more thats the fact...

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neethi thadada lihil da kiyala maninne kohomada kiyala man danne na..

but if you need to build up something you need a framework and laws to protect that framework from collapsing. you need punishments to prevent wats being build from getting destroyed

each religion adopts its own solution for this, some more practical and some less practical depents on what common man wants to achive and how far the religion can serve that.

most religions gives the freedom to choos but once it chosen based on firm belief its correct, trying to question it without a limit will only just detroy it.so its protected from the laws and punishments.

any system should work like this in order to survive within set of natures rules. thats the reality, if you take from United Nations to a family all social structures work like this.

this has helped the major religions to survive more thats the fact...

sorry machan mama katha kale agama reka geneema ho araksha kereema gena nemai :)
api adahan agama gena apita wimasa balanna puluwanda berida kiyayan karanwa gena
ethanadi e vimasa balana manussaya wereddak aranawa kiyala apiata kiyanna puluwanda?
emanussaya onna mehema kaloth weradi ape agame kiyala thiyenne mehemai kiyala e agame srashruna kiyala thiyena dee wenas karala kiyanwanam anna ewage ayata daduwam denna oni
buddhisam wala ewata thiyena daduwam gena ahuwoth samahara wita oyala hinath wei
mokada ewage awihinsa wadee daduwam kramayaka thamai thiyenne
kisima shareerika daduwam nee thiyenne manasika daduwam witharai :)

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api adahan agama gena apita wimasa balanna puluwanda berida kiyayan karanwa gena
ethanadi e vimasa balana manussaya wereddak aranawa kiyala apiata kiyanna puluwanda? ya correct, but which religion says so? as far as i know most religions encourages discussion. cos its common sense that everybody come across situation they need to look into their religion to find answers :dull:

but agama gena wimasa balanna one agama piliganna issara, hari kiyala piligattha nam pilipadinna one..ehema nokara eka nikan wiwechanaya kireema eka vinasha kirimak hatiyata hithala ekata piyawarak ganna eka weradida?

mokada ewage awihinsa wadee daduwam kramayaka thamai thiyenne
kisima shareerika daduwam nee thiyenne manasika daduwam witharai new methods intarrigation techniques are psycological than phisical.physical effect last less than psycological effects.

but i disgree if you say "lesser" punishment is better to protect the framework.good example singapore has strong punishment system and that gives them a more trouble free environment to live..

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ya correct, but which religion says so? as far as i know most religions encourages discussion. cos its common sense that everybody come across situation they need to look into their religion to find answers :dull:

but agama gena wimasa balanna one agama piliganna issara, hari kiyala piligattha nam pilipadinna one..ehema nokara eka nikan wiwechanaya kireema eka vinasha kirimak hatiyata hithala ekata piyawarak ganna eka weradida?

new methods intarrigation techniques are psycological than phisical.physical effect last less than psycological effects.

but i disgree if you say "lesser" punishment is better to protect the framework.good example singapore has strong punishment system and that gives them a more trouble free environment to live..

yas machan but we are not choose our religious we born with it ;)
eka nisa apita eke hari weredda passe unath penna puluwan neda? :)

lesser punishment ada kale smajayata gela penne nee thama
mokada eekale metharam darunu aparada minissu karala thibbe nee ne
and Singapore not the world's safest country ;)
eka nisa punishment deelama minissu hadanna bee machan pradhan dee thamai hoda akalpa athi karan eka :)

[gazaly]

muladarama wadee kiwwe mona adahasinda?
mata poddak pehedili karala denawada? :)

Dakkaney machan aththa kiwwama watena nama monawada kiyalaa .....?
a'kama thamai mamath issara kiwwe machan lokema kiyanwa kiyana eka newei
api poddak hariyata baluwama apitama therenawa api inney koheda kiyalaa
ada Umba aththa kiwwa gaman Umbata Oya nama watena waa o'kamai apita issara uneyth...:nerd:

aththa eka paaratama loketa aawama minissunta A'ka adahaganna bariunaama
aththa kiyana ekata wirudda wenawaa dan umbata unaa wage...

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yas machan but we are not choose our religious we born with it ;)
eka nisa apita eke hari weredda passe unath penna puluwan neda? :)

lesser punishment ada kale smajayata gela penne nee thama
mokada eekale metharam darunu aparada minissu karala thibbe nee ne
and Singapore not the world's safest country ;)
eka nisa punishment deelama minissu hadanna bee machan pradhan dee thamai hoda akalpa athi karan eka :)
honda akalpa kiyanne machan samajaye wiwidathwayath ekka thaman wishwasaya galapagena jeevath wenna puluwan eka..

eka thama mama meka reply kale off topic giyath kamak ne kiyala..

hemoma agamak adhanne hari piliganne hari eka thanagena, api nodanna agam wala neethi thadai ape eke lihil kiyala kiyanne man hithana widiyata honda akalpayaka lakshanayak nevei. eken narakak thama venne mokada hamoma thamunge agama usas wa salakana nisa..

singapore is not the worlds safest country.but dont you think comparing to us, with a civilization of 2500 years singapore is far far ahead as a civilised society? :)

what i pointed was thats cos of the framework they've built n strong laws to protect it they could achive it.thats what i would say less boasting more work...which we couldnt do for 2500 years i guess:rofl::rofl:

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ow eunata hema agamaka ee yana maragaya ekama vidiyak ganne nee
samhara agam wala dedi neethi rethi dalath thiyenawa
mama danna widiyata budu dahame witharai kiyala thiyenne daramay vimasa bala ganna kiyana ekath
samhara ewaye ehema vimasan ekath pawak, nethnam thahanam wedak
ekai ara kalin kiwwe loka dekaka hira wela innawa kiyala ;)

Kauda ehema kiyuwe?

hama aagamakama sitheeme nidahasa deela thiyanawa.

And hama aagamakama awasanaya ekai. awasanaya kiyuwe ara kalin kiyapu sathyaya.

Yanna thiyana margayath ekai.

Anith minissunta hodak karagena, pawu nokara hari jeewithayak gatha karana kenata sathya kara yanna puluwan.

Ehema nokarana kenata sathyaya kara yanna baha.

ooka thamai koi aagameth kiyana awasan sathyaya mama danna widihata.

[Araliyaa]

hm...Good informatin.....

[rapa]

Dakkaney machan aththa kiwwama watena nama monawada kiyalaa .....?
a'kama thamai mamath issara kiwwe machan lokema kiyanwa kiyana eka newei
api poddak hariyata baluwama apitama therenawa api inney koheda kiyalaa
ada Umba aththa kiwwa gaman Umbata Oya nama watena waa o'kamai apita issara uneyth...:nerd:

aththa eka paaratama loketa aawama minissunta A'ka adahaganna bariunaama
aththa kiyana ekata wirudda wenawaa dan umbata unaa wage...

ow ow uba kiyan kathaweth aththak thiyenawa machan :)
etha eya mona adahasakin ahuwada danne nethi nisa thamai mama ahuwe ai ehema kiyanne kiyala ;)
ubawa kalekin dekke :)

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honda akalpa kiyanne machan samajaye wiwidathwayath ekka thaman wishwasaya galapagena jeevath wenna puluwan eka..

eka thama mama meka reply kale off topic giyath kamak ne kiyala..

hemoma agamak adhanne hari piliganne hari eka thanagena, api nodanna agam wala neethi thadai ape eke lihil kiyala kiyanne man hithana widiyata honda akalpayaka lakshanayak nevei. eken narakak thama venne mokada hamoma thamunge agama usas wa salakana nisa..

mekenam machan aththak thiyenawa ;)


singapore is not the worlds safest country.but dont you think comparing to us, with a civilization of 2500 years singapore is far far ahead as a civilised society? :)

what i pointed was thats cos of the framework they've built n strong laws to protect it they could achive it.thats what i would say less boasting more work...which we couldnt do for 2500 years i guess:rofl::rofl:



mekanam amchan piliganna behe
singapore ape ratath ekka compare karanna behe ethamai api aurudu 30 wada wedi kalayak mee kala kanni yuddayakin peeda widinawa, uba dannawane uddayak thiyena kota deerga kalayak eka minissunta balapanwa
minissunge akalpa wenas karanwa
den balanna meeta aurudu 15 withara issara minihek pihiyakin anala meruna kiwwoth ape minissu nikan gal gehenawa, ada ehemada ekath nikan samanya deyak wagene salakanne

ewagema merate purana ithihasaya hena poddak hari dannawanm oya dannawa athi mee punchi rata peradiga dhanya garaya wela thibuna kiyala, ewagema ee kale wee pedurakwath wela ganna berilu, mokada rahathan wahansela irdhi balayen ahasin gaman karana nisa hewanella wetenawalu polowata
ewage shrashreekawa thibba rata tika tika vinasha kala pitarat idala awilla ape rata warin wara akramanaya karapu udawiya :(
den ithin apita thiyenne mula idala negiteemak thamai :)

[rapa]

Kauda ehema kiyuwe?

hama aagamakama sitheeme nidahasa deela thiyanawa.

And hama aagamakama awasanaya ekai. awasanaya kiyuwe ara kalin kiyapu sathyaya.

Yanna thiyana margayath ekai.

Anith minissunta hodak karagena, pawu nokara hari jeewithayak gatha karana kenata sathya kara yanna puluwan.

Ehema nokarana kenata sathyaya kara yanna baha.

ooka thamai koi aagameth kiyana awasan sathyaya mama danna widihata.

hebai mama danna ewanam tikaka wenasa machan ;)
sitheeme nidahasa oni agamaka thiyenne puluwan
eunata ee agame shrathrun hari ee shrathrun deshana karala thiyena daramaya gena hari vmasala balanna nidahasak thiyenawada?
hari weredda vimasa balanna nidahasak thiyenawada?
hemoma sathya soya yana bawa nam aththa machan :)
ewa yana maraga wala thamai wensa kam thiyenne

[x-pert]

hebai mama danna ewanam tikaka wenasa machan ;)
sitheeme nidahasa oni agamaka thiyenne puluwan
eunata ee agame shrathrun hari ee shrathrun deshana karala thiyena daramaya gena hari vmasala balanna nidahasak thiyenawada?
hari weredda vimasa balanna nidahasak thiyenawada?
hemoma sathya soya yana bawa nam aththa machan :)
ewa yana maraga wala thamai wensa kam thiyenne

Ketiyenma kiyuwoth owu. Nidahasak thiyanawa :)

Mona aagamewath kiyala naha thamunge dharmaya gana wimasana eka pawak kiyala.

Namuth budu dahame kelinma kiyanawa wimasanna kiyala. eeka witharai wenasa.
eekata hethuwa budu dahama darshanayak wina aagamak nowana ekai.

[rapa]

Ketiyenma kiyuwoth owu. Nidahasak thiyanawa :)

Mona aagamewath kiyala naha thamunge dharmaya gana wimasana eka pawak kiyala.

Namuth budu dahame kelinma kiyanawa wimasanna kiyala. eeka witharai wenasa.
eekata hethuwa budu dahama darshanayak wina aagamak nowana ekai.
hema nam hodai machan
mama weradiyata waboda karagena wenna athi :)

[kalyanamithra]

Dear friends,

I am a newbie to this forum; but thought it better to comment eventhough I did not get the opportunity to read this book by Ven. Kiribathgoda Gnananada Thero.

Even if we opt not to eat meat or fish out of compassion, we should clearly know that
- this practice is not a part of our virtue (Sila). Taking things not advocated by Sammasambuddha Guthama as Sila would end up creating Silabbatha Paramasa (a Sila practiced as and end; and not as a component of the path to Nibbana) that binds us to the Samsara.
- As practicing Buddhists we should give up "completely" the 'isms' (Dhitti) including vegetarianism. We should retain only Samma Dhitti.

I am not saying we should (or should not) eat meat. We should know what Buddha disclosed; and the motivation for revealing it. In that context a book like this by Ven. Thero would be really useful.

Think how meaningless the isms we have when we consider our samsaraic existence.
* To dear friends that are Buddhists and call themseleve 'vegetarians':
Suppose you cling to Vigetarianisms and because of the Silabbatha paramasa fail to achieve Sothapanna state this life; and suppose your get born as a tiger (because everyone of us have this tendancy; unless we make use of Dhamma). Cannot this happen? Then what is the point of clinging to vegetarianism!

A Buddhist may choose not to eat meat as a personal preference; but should know that it won't help in his/her path to Nibbana.

* If one opts to eat meat; he/she should know how not to stain the Sila by getting involved in Prana Gatha; that is why what Sammasambuddha Guttama disclosed on meat consumption should be known without distortions.

There are Suttas that clearly shows cues on meat consumptions (I am sure this book will highlights them); so we should read the book and if in doubt verify with the Sutta. Personally I do not doubt Ven. Thero because I've independenly verified what he preached in the past.

After all our aim is ending this samsaraic existence by following Dhamma. We should be careful not to be deceived by our mind.

One should not take something as the Truth just because it agrees with one's faiths (amulila Shraddha); one's preferences (Ruchi); what one has heard of (Anussava); one's logical reasoning (Akaraparivitakka); one's isms (Ditthinijjhanakkhanti). Please see Chnaki sutta (http://www.mettanet.org/tipitaka/2Sutta-Pitaka/2Majjhima-Nikaya/Majjhima2/095-canki-s.html) on how one should find what is the Truth.

Friends who eat meat and those who do not, we should know that
our aim of as practicing Buddhists should be following the path disclosed by Sammasambuddha Gautama; and not doing what 'we think to be correct'.

Theruwan saranai!

[djHiran]

Hello Rapa and all other ppl here!
I'll solve your problem 'why should us be vegetarians?'
But it'll consume about 250MB of data. I'll start uploading, but only if you all promise to download.
What you say? Rapa, if you can pls add an open poll. I want to know who will download it.
BUT, if I upload it, I strongly advise don't download it if you have a weak heart...

[djHiran]

Ketiyenma kiyuwoth owu. Nidahasak thiyanawa :)

Mona aagamewath kiyala naha thamunge dharmaya gana wimasana eka pawak kiyala.

Namuth budu dahame kelinma kiyanawa wimasanna kiyala. eeka witharai wenasa.
eekata hethuwa budu dahama darshanayak wina aagamak nowana ekai.
Meeka gana mama comment ekak daana eka hari da manda..

Mama bauddayek, eth mage hondama yaluwo serama wage wenath aagam adahana aya. Api oya gana godak katha karala thiyanawa. Ee ayath ekka katha karahama nam therenne eyalage aagama gana 'vimasanna' eyalata aithiyak naha.

Eyala thamange aagama 'adahanna ooni' kiyana neethiya eyalata thiyanawa kiyala thamai eyala nam kiyanne...

Habai mama kiyanne api aagam wala wenaskam samana kam gana katha karana eka nathara karamu neda?

Baudda darshanaye hatiyata nam api aagam adahana ayawa pahath karala salakanne naha. Ee nisa aagam wala samanakam wenaskam gana katha karana eka maha moodakamak hetiyatai mata nam penne.

[fanci]

Hello Rapa and all other ppl here!
I'll solve your problem 'why should us be vegetarians?'
But it'll consume about 250MB of data. I'll start uploading, but only if you all promise to download.
What you say? Rapa, if you can pls add an open poll. I want to know who will download it.
BUT, if I upload it, I strongly advise don't download it if you have a weak heart...

Great Machan upload it, I need to download it!

[x-pert]

Meeka gana mama comment ekak daana eka hari da manda..

Mama bauddayek, eth mage hondama yaluwo serama wage wenath aagam adahana aya. Api oya gana godak katha karala thiyanawa. Ee ayath ekka katha karahama nam therenne eyalage aagama gana 'vimasanna' eyalata aithiyak naha.

Eyala thamange aagama 'adahanna ooni' kiyana neethiya eyalata thiyanawa kiyala thamai eyala nam kiyanne...

Habai mama kiyanne api aagam wala wenaskam samana kam gana katha karana eka nathara karamu neda?

Baudda darshanaye hatiyata nam api aagam adahana ayawa pahath karala salakanne naha. Ee nisa aagam wala samanakam wenaskam gana katha karana eka maha moodakamak hetiyatai mata nam penne.

That's called andha adaheema. (blindly following)

And oya ahala thiyanawada eyalagen mokakda adahanna ooni kiyala? ;)

What they will tell is they need to believe in god. Yes we all do isn't it?

Don't you believe that Buddha was here? Don't you believe that the teachings of Buddha was taught by himself? Don't you believe in heaven and hell? (In different terminology though) Don't you believe in gods?

So what's the difference mate? We all do believe in several common aspects. But it doesn't show that people are blindly following.

But unfortunately many people are following their religion blindly. Because it is their inheritance. Very few has realised the religion and living with it. You're a born Buddhist and I'm a born Catholic.

That doesn't mean that we can't 'realise' about our beliefs. We all do have the power to decide what is true and what is not.

We have ten commandments to protect. Buddhists have pan sil to protect.

[djHiran]

Don't you believe that Buddha was here?

Beleiving that Buddha or Jesus was here and beleiving in their vision is completely different bro.

[x-pert]

Beleiving that Buddha or Jesus was here and beleiving in their vision is completely different bro.
So what's the point?

Don't you believe in Buddha's vision? Or Jesus's if you're Catholic?

[djHiran]

So what's the point?

Don't you believe in Buddha's vision? Or Jesus's if you're Catholic?
The point? To argue about what? I told once, I don't want to point at and poke the dark sides of any religion or vision.

And one more thing brother, I don't like to use words "born" and "Buddhist" together.

[hemantha33]

im a not vegetarian...

[djHiran]

im a not vegetarian...
:lol: :lol: :lol: So you are the very first one on earth to be a not vegetarian

[hdgpure]

Let me clear it this way...
Think you are a lawyer, and you own an office room. Then, you are sitting there and waiting.. expecting people will come to you, get your service and pay in return. Yes! People come.. Then what happens? You earn money, more and more... more people come, you earn money. But if no one come there to have your service, what happens? You wait.. still... and still.... But no one... Now what happens? You will have to give it up and try something else!
Ok, now think if you were a butcher,..... the same principle...
Everytime you go for a butcher's service, you become a customer for that sinner. He kills more and more... Why? Because he have customers! Everytime you go for his service, you become an abettor.
Lord Buddha have preached that it becomes a sin if we kill or even if we promote someone to do so....

What I believe to be true here is only Lord Buddha's preaching
Chethanawa karmaya wana bawath,chethanawa pahalakota,kayen,wachanayen, manasin karma res karana bawa budunwahanse deshana karala thiyanawa........
eka hari machooooooooo...................
pranaghathaya ha eyata anubala deemath........karma................
eyata anubala deema kiyanne..................
adala pranaghathayata directly sambanda novi , yamkisi agaweemak kaloth.......
samaharawita eka..........
wachanayen anakaranna puluwan,agilla dikkara pennanna puluwan,thamage hesireemen eya karanna, yana egaweema denna puluwan.................
anna ewan awasthawakadeeth.......apage chethanawa pranghathyata mulika wenawa.............................

[hdgpure]

As far as I know, thripatakaye kohe wath mas kanna epa kiyala naha :)
Dena deyak kaala beela jeewithe rakaganna kiyala thamai Sigalowada soothraye kiyala thiyenne.

Kiyala thiyenn anith saththu marnna epa kiyala witharai.

So according to buddhism, mas kana eken indirect pawak wenawa mokada mas kanna ithin saththu maranna ooni nisa.

But again, Chethanahan bikkawe kamman wadami.

Minissu mas kanne saththu marana wairayak hithe thiyagena krodayak athuwa neweine.. Saththu marala pawu purawaganna chethanawen newei neda minissu mas kanne?

Anyway oya book eke mokakda kiyala thiyenne?
uba tripitakaya kiyawala thiyanawada ban........................?
hebai me pothe nam sadahan karala thiyanawa,budda deshana waladi budurajanan wahanse mas warga 10 anubhawaya thanam kala bawa.......
1.Minee mas
2.Ali(Elephant) mas
3.Ashwa mas
4.Balu mas
5.Sarpa mas
6.Sinha mas
7.Wiyagra mas
8.Divi mas
9.Walas mas
10.Karabana walas mas

[x-pert]

uba tripitakaya kiyawala thiyanawada ban........................?
hebai me pothe nam sadahan karala thiyanawa,budda deshana waladi budurajanan wahanse mas warga 10 anubhawaya thanam kala bawa.......
1.Minee mas
2.Ali(Elephant) mas
3.Ashwa mas
4.Balu mas
5.Sarpa mas
6.Sinha mas
7.Wiyagra mas
8.Divi mas
9.Walas mas
10.Karabana walas mas

Naha mama kiyawala naha. But kiyawala thiyana kenek kiyala thiyanawa ehema. eekai kiyuwe as far as I know kiyala ;)

uba parana post ekak quote kalla thiyenne bung. ookata passe rapa book eka kiyawala gaanata reply ekak daala thibuna :)

uda thiyana eewa lin monada karabana walas mas kiyanne? :S

oowa kohomath kanne nahane bung.. chik.. Oh but Corean kattiya nam Balu and Sarpa mas kanawa mama ahala thiyanawa and dakalath thiyanawa :yes:

[hdgpure]

Machang ekak kiyanna oni... Ada thiyenne buduhamuduruwo kiyapu dharmaya nemei machang...Ada wadiya thiyenne loketa parakase dagena inna dharmayak..godak aya thaman ge wasiyata agama pawa wenas karagena ada!

Mewa attatama lajjawen unath kiyanna wenawa oya agama wawan kana aya athara loku loku nam thiyena hamuduruwaruth innawa kiayala,eth duka ada oya gana apita aththatama katha karannath bari tharam ewa mul bahala..ithama dukkitha thathwayak...(meka Budu Dahamatama pamanak seema una deyakuth nemei)

Mage personal opinion eka nam...anun kiyala denakal inne nathiwa thaman mahansi wela budu dahama igena ganna eka thamanta wada wiswasadayakai!
kthawa sampurnayenma etta, hugak thanwala mechchra watina darmayak.. thamnge pahath aramunu walata yodagannawa................
me sambandayen mata hoda Example ekak denna puluwan...............
mama aduran mithurek innawa.......eya nirmanshai...........
ewagema eya hugak wedasatahan karanawa..........eka pilibadawa janathawata kiyann......eyage wedasatahanakata sahabhagi vu kenek eyata kiyala thiyanawa...
'' me wage dewal karana eka monatharam hodada, kiribath ghoda Ghunananda tero pawa mas mansha kanna kiyanawa kiya''
ethin meka thama reality eka ,me pote anthrgathaya minisun atharata yanne.........hamuduruwo mas anubhawaya kepa bawa prakasha karanwa kiya.....

yamkisi kenek drushti gatha vunama eyata yamak pilibadawa nuwanin wimasa beleeme hekiyawa nethiwenawa............
methan welath thiyenne nirmansha weema vimukthi margaye aniwarya angayak karagena..............

[hdgpure]

okata hoda kathawaka kiwwa lokusawamin wahanse pahu giya 31 da horana pawathwapu darma wedatahanedi

loku sawamin whanse hambenna candawe inna lankawe kenek awilla
meya hebai pastor kenek awilla kiyala thiyennawa mama oba wahnsege darama deshna walata sawan denawa eka nisa mata budurajanan gena pehedeema athi wuna den mata penawa unawhanse pawasala thiyena niyama anithyaya
mama meheta awama mama hitapu game mage neeyo nee, parana maha gedara nee, issara hitapu adunana aya nee ewa okkoma nesena sulu dewal kiyala
epara loku sawamin wahanse kiyala thiyenawa
oba thumatai mata sidda wen eka deya thiyenawa mokdda? api dennam merenawa
ithin api me loka dekak hadagena idala wedak nee anithimata yanne eka thenakatanam, eka nisa api kala yuththe niyama sathyaya hoyagea yeema kiya :)
ema sthya soya yama deshanakarala thiyenne...........
Apa maha bosathanan wahanse withrai.............:yes: :yes:

[hdgpure]

ow eunata hema agamaka ee yana maragaya ekama vidiyak ganne nee
samhara agam wala dedi neethi rethi dalath thiyenawa
mama danna widiyata budu dahame witharai kiyala thiyenne daramay vimasa bala ganna kiyana ekath
samhara ewaye ehema vimasan ekath pawak, nethnam thahanam wedak
ekai ara kalin kiwwe loka dekaka hira wela innawa kiyala ;)
budda kalinawa unath me uthum satya awaboda kalaheki visahla pirisak hitiya........... namuth eyala vivida drusti gathawa siti nisa .........ema uthum awasthawa maga heri giya......................(vivida agam walata adala vu ha,vivida vishwasayan math pihiti)
eka thama swaminwahanse mathukale.....

[hdgpure]

Hello Rapa and all other ppl here!
I'll solve your problem 'why should us be vegetarians?'
But it'll consume about 250MB of data. I'll start uploading, but only if you all promise to download.
What you say? Rapa, if you can pls add an open poll. I want to know who will download it.
BUT, if I upload it, I strongly advise don't download it if you have a weak heart...
mas mansha kema ho nokema..........eka obata adala ruchikathwayak.........
eke kisima waradak ne .......ethama hoda deyak..............shaka ahara ethama....
sudusui manushya shareerayata...........
pranaghathayen welaki yahapath manushyaku washayen divigeweema apage gunadarmayata adala deyak.............
api me deka patalawa ganna hoda ne................
pls upload macho........

[DJ.Parker]

Kauda ehema kiyuwe?

hama aagamakama sitheeme nidahasa deela thiyanawa.

And hama aagamakama awasanaya ekai. awasanaya kiyuwe ara kalin kiyapu sathyaya.

Yanna thiyana margayath ekai.

Anith minissunta hodak karagena, pawu nokara hari jeewithayak gatha karana kenata sathya kara yanna puluwan.

Ehema nokarana kenata sathyaya kara yanna baha.

ooka thamai koi aagameth kiyana awasan sathyaya mama danna widihata.

mucho isnt it a sin to question the God?
n what does exactly meant by "sabawu ekama dewiyan pamanak wandana karanna"??

n is it a must to attend the mass on sunday? y is that?

[x-pert]

mucho isnt it a sin to question the God?
n what does exactly meant by "sabawu ekama dewiyan pamanak wandana karanna"??

n is it a must to attend the mass on sunday? y is that?

Question karana eka newei, saka karana eka nam sin ekak. Mokada eeka kiyalama thiyana nisa. 10 commandments gana dannawa neda? Pansil pada 5 wage ape aagame thiyanawa commandments 10k:


Saba wu ekama dewiyanta wandana karanna.
Dewiyange naamayen nodiwuranna
Iru dina saha naya mangalla dina shuddha lesa gatha karanna.
Mawu piyanta garu karanna
Jeewithe winasha nokaranna
Boru nokiyanna
kaama mithyachaaraya nokaranna
Jeewitha winasha nokaranna
Paradala aalaya nokaranna
An wasthu aasha nokarannaSo machang saba wu 1ma dewiyanta pamanak wandana karanna kiyala kiyanne Jesus ta witharak wandana karanna kiyala. Wena kaatawath wandana karanna epa kiyalai kiyane. Namuth wenin ayata garu karanna puluwan like St. Mary, St Joseph etc.

And iru dina palli yana scene eka kiyanne 3rd commandment eken.
eeken kiyanne machang ubala sathiye dawas 6k ubalage wada karanawa. So anthima dawasa eh kiyanne Sunday wath deiyo wenuwen kapa karanna kiyala.
eewa hari neda? :)

And ube 1st question eka gana machang: Jesus kiyala thiyanawa 'nodaka wiswaasa karanno bhaagyawanthayoya. Swarga raajyaya owungeya' kiyala.
Eh kiyanne api Jesus wa dakala nathi unaata wiswaasa karanawane :D eeka gana sakayak athi karagaththoth eh minihata swarga raajyaya ayithi naha kiyala kiyannath baha. mokada eekai Catholic religion eke difference eka.

Apita thiyanawa pawu sama karaganeeme piliwethak.

waradi karapu kenek. aththatama eh waradda gana pasu thawili wela aayith ehema waradi karanne naha kiyala thamunta hithaagaththoth Jesus (God) eyata samawa denawa :D

Namuth eeka nikan waradi karala ah sorry aayi karanna naha wage kiyala hari yanne naha. eekata aththatama api pasu thawili wela, apima hithaaganna ooni aayith ehema waradak karanne naha kiyala.

onna oya wage flexibility ekak thiyanawa :D

[massina]

happa ubawa dekka kal :)

heh hee...yes ban...ambanak busy me dhawas wala...

mokadha ban thread eka mechchara dhura dhiga yanne...?:baffled:

[massina]

nice to see here again , long time..........Isn't it?

heh heee..yes ban...ambanak busy

[massina]

samaharu vegetarian kiyala eggs kanne ne...habai eegollo cake kanawa
so eggs nikanma kawenawane


Ok I guess I am so late to reply to this thread about my opinion and view about vegetarianism.

Well I am a vegetarian. But I didn't become a vegetarian just because of being a buddhist. I don't want to know even whether it is a sin to eat someone other's flesh.
But the fact remains that I am thoroughly considering about someone's right to live. Doesn't matter whether it's a human or animal(Most humans can be listed here).

What I believe is we humans have no right to kill another animal just to get the taste of few seconds.

Now eggs. According to my idea, the eggs are not harming to any animal. Now I'm talking about Broiler eggs right? Nowadays broiler eggs are the only eggs available in market. Those chickens lays eggs everyday. Well those eggs are lifeless. It's just the ova. It has never been fertilized. It's the same thing that human female's mensuration. it's just an unfertilized, lifeless cell.

Guess I have missed alot in this thread. Now on I'll join to exchange my ideas.:P

[hdgpure]

Naha mama kiyawala naha. But kiyawala thiyana kenek kiyala thiyanawa ehema. eekai kiyuwe as far as I know kiyala ;)

uba parana post ekak quote kalla thiyenne bung. ookata passe rapa book eka kiyawala gaanata reply ekak daala thibuna :)

uda thiyana eewa lin monada karabana walas mas kiyanne? :S

oowa kohomath kanne nahane bung.. chik.. Oh but Corean kattiya nam Balu and Sarpa mas kanawa mama ahala thiyanawa and dakalath thiyanawa :yes:
karabana walas mas.................
me sambandayen hari pehadilikireemak thama mata hoyaganna berivuna macho..........
mathyak thiyanawa...........mee gawaya(mee haraka) sadha meya bhawitha kalabawata,ewagema mansha bhakshaka ganayata ayath wana sathwayek wennath puluwan.............
mokada budurajanan wahanse.........karabana walas mas weladeema thanamkale..,
adala mas weladu shawakayanta ,ema satungen karadara vu nisa..............

[rapa]

Hello Rapa and all other ppl here!
I'll solve your problem 'why should us be vegetarians?'
But it'll consume about 250MB of data. I'll start uploading, but only if you all promise to download.
What you say? Rapa, if you can pls add an open poll. I want to know who will download it.
BUT, if I upload it, I strongly advise don't download it if you have a weak heart...
go ahead mate :)
if you're finished your upload and tell me, I'll show how to add it in to a new poll
BTW is this video (http://www.methsaviya.org/downloads/video/Pranagatha.AVI) machan?

[rapa]

Hello Rapa and all other ppl here!
I'll solve your problem 'why should us be vegetarians?'
But it'll consume about 250MB of data. I'll start uploading, but only if you all promise to download.
What you say? Rapa, if you can pls add an open poll. I want to know who will download it.
BUT, if I upload it, I strongly advise don't download it if you have a weak heart...
go ahead mate :)
if you're finished your upload and tell me, I'll show how to add it in to a new poll
BTW is this video (http://www.methsaviya.org/downloads/video/Pranagatha.AVI) machan?

[rapa]

Hello Rapa and all other ppl here!
I'll solve your problem 'why should us be vegetarians?'
But it'll consume about 250MB of data. I'll start uploading, but only if you all promise to download.
What you say? Rapa, if you can pls add an open poll. I want to know who will download it.
BUT, if I upload it, I strongly advise don't download it if you have a weak heart...
go ahead mate :)
if you're finished your upload and tell me, I'll show how to add it in to a new poll
BTW is this video (http://www.methsaviya.org/downloads/video/Pranagatha.AVI) machan?

[rapa]

Question karana eka newei, saka karana eka nam sin ekak. Mokada eeka kiyalama thiyana nisa. 10 commandments gana dannawa neda? Pansil pada 5 wage ape aagame thiyanawa commandments 10k:


bududahame edina da api pansil pada 5 samadam unata etawada siyumwa ewath bedala thiyenawa machan :)

5 sil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Five_Precepts

8 sil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eight_Precepts

10 sil
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ten_Precepts

[rapa]

uda thiyana eewa lin monada karabana walas mas kiyanne? :S


karabana kiyanne machan walas jathiyak den oya kola bear wage

[rapa]

Friends who eat meat and those who do not, we should know that
our aim of as practicing Buddhists should be following the path disclosed by Sammasambuddha Gautama; and not doing what 'we think to be correct'.
Theruwan saranai!

100% correct :)

BTW welcome to EK bro :D

[djHiran]

go ahead mate :)
if you're finished your upload and tell me, I'll show how to add it in to a new poll
BTW is this video (http://www.methsaviya.org/downloads/video/Pranagatha.AVI) machan?
Yes rapa I think thats the video... But my file is greater in size. Dunno why. Maybe because encoding. Thanks for the link...

[rapa]

Yes rapa I think thats the video... But my file is greater in size. Dunno why. Maybe because encoding. Thanks for the link...
oya puluwan nam hoyagena balanna "faces of the death" kiyala documentary serious ekak thiyenawa ;)

[djHiran]

oya puluwan nam hoyagena balanna "faces of the death" kiyala documentary serious ekak thiyenawa ;)
Ee mokak da rapa? Can u PM if u hav links?

[hdgpure]

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[florealworld]

THANX BRO, GOOD WORK.

[djHiran]

THANX BRO, GOOD WORK.
:rolleyes:

[rapa]

Ee mokak da rapa? Can u PM if u hav links?
eke machan part 5k withara thiyenawa ;) file size eka 4 gb
eka beluwama jeewithe gena mula idan hithanna hithenawa :)

[hdgpure]

Two books written by Most Venerable Kiribathgoda Gnanananda Thero i.e. 'Nirmansha Prashnaya' (the Question of Vegetariansim) and 'Ama Dam Rasa Wahena Wistararta Dhamma Padaya - IV' (Puppa Vagga) were released for the public on 15th June 2008 at the All Ceylon Buddhist Congress, Colombo 07.

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Venerable Gnanananda Thero explained the gathering an enlightening Deshan by Gautama Samma Sambuddha (our Sastrun Wahanse) on the subject of Vegetariansim - 'Jeewaka Sutta' from Majjhima Nikaya.



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[kalyanamithra]

Two books written by Most Venerable Kiribathgoda Gnanananda Thero i.e. 'Nirmansha Prashnaya' (the Question of Vegetariansim) and 'Ama Dam Rasa Wahena Wistararta Dhamma Padaya - IV' (Puppa Vagga) were released for the public on 15th June 2008 at the All Ceylon Buddhist Congress, Colombo 07.
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Venerable Gnanananda Thero explained the gathering an enlightening Deshan by Gautama Samma Sambuddha (our Sastrun Wahanse) on the subject of Vegetariansim - 'Jeewaka Sutta' from Majjhima Nikaya.


Dear friends,

Dhamma Deshana based on "Jeewaka Sutta" delivered on the 'question of vegetarianism' by Ven. Kiribathgoda Gnanananda Thero on the above occasion is available at "http://www.mahamevnawa.info" (Official News & Events Blog of Mahamevnawa)

http://www.mahamevnawa.info/2008/05/question-of-vegetarianism.html

[I'd like to make a Punyanumodhana to Rukshan and Shrawakaya for making it possible for us to listen to it online. Sadhu! Sadhu! Sadhu! ]

Theruwan saranai

[fernandokasu]

Gud work........

[alagakkonara]

I dont think you need rocket scientists to figure whather you are doing a SIN or not!

Like x-pert said in Buddhism everything revolves around your MIND, your MIND is the key to your actions and your actions are the key to your destiny..because Buddhism is based on cause and effect!

If you need to complete a SIN you gotta full fill 5 steps! (Panathi paatha)

1. You need to know its alive
2. You get the thought of killing it
3. You make a plan to kill it
4. You execute the plan
5. You kill it using the executed plan

Now you can put all your scenarios in it and see whether it goes through! if all ticks then it is indeed a SIN, if not.. its not!

When looking at these I think that eating an animal killed for you is a sin.

But if you are bringing the famous argument that says " ok that animal was not killed for me " lets argue.

[mentor_ub]

I'm also a vegetarian....

[DJ.Parker]

When looking at these I think that eating an animal killed for you is a sin.

But if you are bringing the famous argument that says " ok that animal was not killed for me " lets argue.

I was in ur position too but eating a dead animal won't fullfill all the 5 here. but if atleast a one fulfills out of these 5 then u get a demerit which is not the demerit u get for killing an animal :)

correct me sri lion if im wrong:D

[sithmini]

thnx a lot...

[aye_sha90]

awwwwwwwwwwww...
koooooooooooooooooool...
can i find the english translation of this? :D

[aye_sha90]

well meka offtopic wei...but mata ahanna hituna

samaharu vegetarian kiyala eggs kanne ne...habai eegollo cake kanawa
so eggs nikanma kawenawane


lol.. hehe .

[mentor_ub]

awwwwwwwwwwww...
koooooooooooooooooool...
can i find the english translation of this? :D
I dont think its available sis...anyway r u a vegetarian....?

[Mackenzie]

Matath aasai me potha kiyawanna...

kohen hari hoya ganna one :)

[sri_lion]

When looking at these I think that eating an animal killed for you is a sin.

But if you are bringing the famous argument that says " ok that animal was not killed for me " lets argue.

I was in ur position too but eating a dead animal won't fullfill all the 5 here. but if atleast a one fulfills out of these 5 then u get a demerit which is not the demerit u get for killing an animal :)

correct me sri lion if im wrong:D

Yes as far as "Paanathi Paatha" is concerned, you cannot Sin just because you picked up a chicken at the supermarket!

You may say because we buy... and to fill that demand there's someone is killing on the other side.. BUT... killer has a mind too... he is human and he can decide for himself, he has a choice NOT to kill... but instead he gets greedy for money and kill so its his choice!!

Personally.. if I cannot find chicken meat anywhere I wont never ever think about killing a live one and eat... which I just can't do!! :lol: :lol:

[monson]

pothe pehediliwa pennala thiyenne mas keewa kiyala pawak wath eka thamange darama jeewithayata badawak wath nowei kiyala thamai :)
mas keewa kiyala hari, mas kana nisa saththu maranawa kiya pawak wenne nee machan, pawak wenne thama udesa mas pinisa yam sathek meruwoth witharai
eka buddha desahanwe vistharathmakawa sadahan karala thiyenawa
hebai mee pothe aramuna nirmansha ayawa mas kanna huru karawan eka nemai
niramansa una pamanin eya eka hethuwe vishesh pinak kara nogannawa sema, mas kewa kiyala wishesha pawk kara noganna bawa penawa deema :yes:

Ehenang kamak naha menna Rapa honda recipe ekak.

Tandoori Chicken

Ingredients

Serves 2

* 1 pint of live natural yogurt
* 1 Tablespoon Cumin powder
* 1 Tablespoon garam massala
* 1 Teaspoon Coriander powder
* 1 Teaspoon Turmeric powder
* 1 Teaspoon chilli powder
* Juice 1 lemon
* 8 cloves garlic - crushed
* 1 inch grated ginger
* Red food colouring
* 4 pieces of skinless chicken on the bone
* 1 Lemon

Method

Mix the spices, colouring, lemon juice and garlic and ginger up into a paste with a little water and stir in well with the yogurt to make a tandoori marinade. Score the flesh of the chicken and marinate in the marinade for 2-60 hours. Preheat the oven to it's highest heat for at least 20 minutes. Shake off excess marinade and place chicken pieces on a wire rack in the oven. Cook for 20 minutes and check the chicken is cooked by piercing the thickest piece with a skewer, if the juices run clear it's cooked, serve with a wedge of lemon.

[pini binduwa]

The latest book by Venerable Kiribathgoda Gnanananda Thero is on 'Vegetariansim'. The book is presented in Questions & Answers method and discusses in detail, the various beliefs prevailing in the community with regard to the consumption of non-vegetarian food by Buddhists. Any wise person can clear all his/her doubts on 'Vegetarianism' by reading the book in non-judgmental, unbiased and an open mind.



sadhu sadhu,, saba budu dahama matu karala denawata Pinwath loku swameen wahanseta Namskara wewa...

[pini binduwa]

I'm also a buddhist. But after reading this book in unbiased and an open mind, I dont agree with the idea presented here by ven.Kiribathgoda Gnananda Thero


If you don't agree with the ideas of ven. kiribathgoda gnanananda Thero, then you don't agree with lord Buddha's ideas. because loku swameen wahanse express only Budda's teachings...

[monson]

ee kale wee pedurakwath wela ganna berilu, mokada rahathan wahansela irdhi balayen ahasin gaman karana nisa hewanella wetenawalu polowata

:rolleyes:

[pini binduwa]

:rolleyes:

ai oyata sure nedda..?:eek::eek:

[monson]

ai oyata sure nedda..?:eek::eek:


Nice jokes:lol: :lol:

[nad253]

lolzz

[pini binduwa]

Nice jokes:lol: :lol:

are you a buddhist...?

[monson]

are you a buddhist...?

I don't follow religions./I am not a fan of organized religions/ I don't believe in so called "GOD"s. But I agree with many ideas of Buddhism and I think most of Christianity is dumb and stupid and Islam is babarian and I hate Islam.

[pini binduwa]

I don't follow religions./I am not a fan of organized religions/ I don't believe in so called "GOD"s. But I agree with many ideas of Buddhism and I think most of Christianity is dumb and stupid and Islam is babarian and I hate Islam.


wow, but the reality does not depend on the belief of peoples,

If some thing is a truth, it is the truth.. It never changes on believes of peoples..

[aye_sha90]

If we thought better about the Lord Budhdha's teachings, it would appears clear that the he had never asked his followers to abstain frm meat.

Lord Budhdha infact, pointed out that accepting meat which people offered is not a kharma if that animal was not slaughterd for that offer.
but...If so, he should refuse it ...


MY 4000TH POST

[uhox]

but if we eat only the vegitarian foods
how our body can get the needy proteins...

particularly the "Amino acids"

please explain? :confused:

[uhox]

I don't follow religions./I am not a fan of organized religions/ I don't believe in so called "GOD"s. But I agree with many ideas of Buddhism and I think most of Christianity is dumb and stupid and Islam is babarian and I hate Islam.


relatively a materialistic view point ...
am I right?

but hating a relgion is a not good ,I think..
We must hate the Islam extremism (the fascist islamism)

[nadeeshaF]

relatively a materialistic view point ...
am I right?

but hating a relgion is a not good ,I think..
We must hate the Islam extremism (the fascist islamism)


Uhox, you don'd understand.

The Islam extremism we see is a direct result of what is said in the Quran. Holy war, killing non-believers, killing those that object Islam, etc., were recommended in the quaran, and practiced by Mohammed himself. So you can't separate extremism from the rest of Islam. Extremists are doing what they believe to be right and acting upon Allah's law.

[uhox]

Uhox, you don'd understand.

The Islam extremism we see is a direct result of what is said in the Quran. Holy war, killing non-believers, killing those that object Islam, etc., were recommended in the quaran, and practiced by Mohammed himself. So you can't separate extremism from the rest of Islam. Extremists are doing what they believe to be right and acting upon Allah's law.

agree with you

[alagakkonara]

Yes as far as "Paanathi Paatha" is concerned, you cannot Sin just because you picked up a chicken at the supermarket!

You may say because we buy... and to fill that demand there's someone is killing on the other side.. BUT... killer has a mind too... he is human and he can decide for himself, he has a choice NOT to kill... but instead he gets greedy for money and kill so its his choice!!

Personally.. if I cannot find chicken meat anywhere I wont never ever think about killing a live one and eat... which I just can't do!! :lol: :lol:

I cannot agree with this, if the chicken you buy in the market is not killed for you, then for whom is it killed?. Allowing some one to kill for you is same as killing.

Also can you please tell me where we find these five conditions that need to be fulfilled for it to be a killing(the one's you mention)?. I cant remember in which part of dhamma its from.

[sri_lion]

I cannot agree with this, if the chicken you buy in the market is not killed for you, then for whom is it killed?. Allowing some one to kill for you is same as killing..

Well... if that's the case then the whole supermarket full of meat is killed for me, so I'm guilty for all that?

Or are you asking because I buy that I'm guilty too? how so? Its not like I'm forcing someone to kill for me.. its just another source of nutrition for me.. personally for me it tastes better and nutrtious and its already there.. so I buy it... if its not there then I'll switch to the next best alternative, I have no thought of killing at the time of buying.... so can it become a SIN?

Also can you please tell me where we find these five conditions that need to be fulfilled for it to be a killing(the one's you mention)?. I cant remember in which part of dhamma its from.

Sorry can't help you here bro... becasuse these are things you suppose to learn from School, Dahampaasal etc. and quite frequently they discuss in "Dhamma Deshana" too.. if you really need to clerify maybe you can visit your nearest temple and ask the "Haamuduruwo" about this!:)

[sherlock]

wow sha niyama adahasak thamai

[alagakkonara]

Well... if that's the case then the whole supermarket full of meat is killed for me, so I'm guilty for all that?

Or are you asking because I buy that I'm guilty too? how so? Its not like I'm forcing someone to kill for me.. its just another source of nutrition for me.. personally for me it tastes better and nutrtious and its already there.. so I buy it... if its not there then I'll switch to the next best alternative, I have no thought of killing at the time of buying.... so can it become a SIN?



Sorry can't help you here bro... becasuse these are things you suppose to learn from School, Dahampaasal etc. and quite frequently they discuss in "Dhamma Deshana" too.. if you really need to clerify maybe you can visit your nearest temple and ask the "Haamuduruwo" about this!:)

Sory for the late reply.

You missed out my point I think, what I say is that if the chicken you buy is killed for you, not that all the chicken are killed for you. What are you saying? If you are saying those animals are not killed for you, then everyone will say the same thing. So those animals are killed for no one?

Actually machan I have met many ppl that say the same thing you say. what I say is this. The animal you buy from a shop is killed just for you. For No one else but you. If you stop eating meat, at least that animal will be saved. Coz if everyone in the world stop eating meat obviously animals will not be killed for meat right?. So yes even if your contribution is small, you just eat one animal per week, still that animal is killed for you.

Dont wory about those five conditions, I just cant remember and thought you might enlighten me. Anyway tell me your idea. In my opinion buying something killed and eating it is as same as killing it and eating it.

[sri_lion]

Sory for the late reply.

No probs, I work too :lol: :lol:

You missed out my point I think, what I say is that if the chicken you buy is killed for you, not that all the chicken are killed for you. What are you saying? If you are saying those animals are not killed for you, then everyone will say the same thing. So those animals are killed for no one?

Actually machan I have met many ppl that say the same thing you say. what I say is this. The animal you buy from a shop is killed just for you. For No one else but you. If you stop eating meat, at least that animal will be saved. Coz if everyone in the world stop eating meat obviously animals will not be killed for meat right?. So yes even if your contribution is small, you just eat one animal per week, still that animal is killed for you.

Dont wory about those five conditions, I just cant remember and thought you might enlighten me. Anyway tell me your idea. In my opinion buying something killed and eating it is as same as killing it and eating it.

This is where I like Buddhism most... always open for discussions!

Yes I think I get your point, and I think this is the most common way of thinking about this issue! That you eat so you are part of it... this is to a certain extent is logical, I'm not saying no....upto the extend that you are encouraging it! But according to Buddhism... I dont see how encouraging full fill the SIN of Paanathi Paatha, unless the other conditions are met!

Yes it is killed for me, but it is killed with the assumption that I will buy it, I may or may not decide to buy it too, so the person who killed the animal is killing the animal on the assumption that someone will buy it! The killer at the time of killing.... he does it assuming that I will buy, if lets say I order him directly then he kill the animal it would have been a different case!

Ok! lets take this scenario... lets say... all humans on earth are vegetarians.. so one fine day I kill a chicken and decide to eat... and after consuming the meat..I get the thought, “Hey! This could be good business, if this tastes good for me then it should taste good for others too” So ASSUMING that others will buy.. I kill more chicken and sell, So the SIN already has come full circle for me by the time the product reached my customer! Isn't this what might have happened? and still happening?

And it is undeniable that it is more easier to stop it from the source than the end point... are we going to stop millions Sri Lankans and billions of world population eating chicken or we just begin from where the killing starts? which are much lesser in numbers than that?

At the time of buying this animal, I just have the thought of buying food... if I'm sinned (for a thought) because I buy dead meat even if I think it is food, so it should be the same for those people who refrain from buying dead meat but instead buy *vegetarian-chicken (soya)* because then the same logic applies and its the thought that does matters then.... we both buying because we want something chicken taste!

What do you think?:)

[nadeeshaF]

Sory for the late reply.

You missed out my point I think, what I say is that if the chicken you buy is killed for you, not that all the chicken are killed for you. What are you saying? If you are saying those animals are not killed for you, then everyone will say the same thing. So those animals are killed for no one?

Actually machan I have met many ppl that say the same thing you say. what I say is this. The animal you buy from a shop is killed just for you. For No one else but you. If you stop eating meat, at least that animal will be saved. Coz if everyone in the world stop eating meat obviously animals will not be killed for meat right?. So yes even if your contribution is small, you just eat one animal per week, still that animal is killed for you.

Dont wory about those five conditions, I just cant remember and thought you might enlighten me. Anyway tell me your idea. In my opinion buying something killed and eating it is as same as killing it and eating it.


But the criteria of "motive" has to be met for anything to qualify as sin, according to Buddhism. A person buying chicken off the counter (I'm not defending meat eating here), does not carry a motive to kill a chicken. Hence you can't consider it a sin, similar to the time you trod on an ant and kill it unknowigly. Not motive = no sin.

I'm only going as far as clarifying this from the Buddhist perspective, does not mean to say that I condone eating chicken, nor arguing over whether it is right or wrong.

[alagakkonara]

No probs, I work too :lol: :lol:

This is where I like Buddhism most... always open for discussions!

Yes I think I get your point, and I think this is the most common way of thinking about this issue!

You are wrong here bro, this is not the most common way of thinking. Instead its just the opposite. The most common way of thinking is 'ok since this animal is not killed for me its ok to eat it.' Most buddhist I meet think like that. So I think that is the most common way of thinking. But maybe most people you meet think the other way around...

Anyway thats not our discussion.

Ok! lets take this scenario... lets say... all humans on earth are vegetarians.. so one fine day I kill a chicken and decide to eat... and after consuming the meat..I get the thought, “Hey! This could be good business, if this tastes good for me then it should taste good for others too” So ASSUMING that others will buy.. I kill more chicken and sell, So the SIN already has come full circle for me by the time the product reached my customer! Isn't this what might have happened? and still happening?


I cannot agree with this, There's nothing to assume here, whether he assume or not, he will kill for others, Only if others are willing to buy that from himAnd he will continue to kill as long as there is the demand.

And clearly this is not what might have happened. what happend was that man always knew meat was something good to eat. Early man was a hunter. But it came to a time where killing is not neccessary. Buddha saw that killing is bad, and discouraged any activity related to it. To survive man does not need meat.
Buddha pointed this with one of his simplest teachings, pansil.

But to the man, or buddhist who could not understand this and who has eaten meat and just couldnt get himself to get rid of that habit of eating dead animals(probably because they are tasty) had to justify his actions. So that's why people bring up all this things about "buddha never said eating meet was bad " " Buddha ate some sort of a food made from meat(Sukara Maggawa) before he died" and all.

Let me point out some facts.

(1) In pansil first sil is "I will not kill others"
(2) In 'Arya ashtangika margaya' If we think about 'Samma Ajeewa'
buddha points out,
5 jobs that should not be done, and in this
1. Do not sell meat.
2. Do not sell animals/slaves ( I cant remember exaclty bro)
(3) Buddha always says wish others well ( 'Mithree')

And I may bring up some other points later when I remember... Anyway my point is buddha being wise and all saying all this never excpeted a buddhist will ever think that he said eating meet is ok.

How can you wish 'mithree' to all the animals and then eat it? What is the logic in that. Machan I have thought these things over and over through many years.I have raise my questions discussed with many wise poeple. I have come to the logical conclusion that, budhhist just try to justify whatever bad thing they do. Thinking logically I cannot think that buddha would ever encourage a killing in anyway. But people who want to justify what they do just make reasons. such as something illogical as eating meat is ok.

just foget buddhism, or what buddha said, just think out of box. If anyone had ever watched "Faces of Death" he would never eat meat again. Religion or no religion, how can one bear a poor animal being killed, taken the right to live away as if we have the right. Who are we? If eating meat is essential for us to live, I would be the first one to say its ok. But its not. And its wrong.

That's why I asked you where, those five conditions are from, To me either its a contradiction in buddha said or I did not understand what it is.



And it is undeniable that it is more easier to stop it from the source than the end point... are we going to stop millions Sri Lankans and billions of world population eating chicken or we just begin from where the killing starts? which are much lesser in numbers than that?


Again I disagree, In fact this is a point with no logic at all in my opinion. But if I'm wrong forgive me. Are you suggesting that people who do the killing should just stop? That's never gonna happen. The easiest way is that people who eat meat if they understand its wrong stopping it. Or if they dont understand thats also ok. What you do is for you, not for anyone else. But dont just justify your selves in front of the alter of buddhism. Coz its nothing in buddhism, its just you.

What do you think bro? Maybe I'm wrong but that's why I' m here for. To learn what I dont know and be a better person.

[alagakkonara]

But the criteria of "motive" has to be met for anything to qualify as sin, according to Buddhism. A person buying chicken off the counter (I'm not defending meat eating here), does not carry a motive to kill a chicken. Hence you can't consider it a sin, similar to the time you trod on an ant and kill it unknowigly. Not motive = no sin.

I'm only going as far as clarifying this from the Buddhist perspective, does not mean to say that I condone eating chicken, nor arguing over whether it is right or wrong.

Please read my reply to Sri_lion and give your ideas. I think maybe I have given some points that you might find interesting.

[sri_lion]

You are wrong here bro, this is not the most common way of thinking. Instead its just the opposite. The most common way of thinking is 'ok since this animal is not killed for me its ok to eat it.' Most buddhist I meet think like that. So I think that is the most common way of thinking. But maybe most people you meet think the other way around...

I think there's no point arguing about this because, its just a matter of individual perception!

Anyway thats not our discussion.

I cannot agree with this, There's nothing to assume here, whether he assume or not, he will kill for others, Only if others are willing to buy that from himAnd he will continue to kill as long as there is the demand.

And clearly this is not what might have happened. what happend was that man always knew meat was something good to eat. Early man was a hunter. But it came to a time where killing is not neccessary. Buddha saw that killing is bad, and discouraged any activity related to it. To survive man does not need meat.
Buddha pointed this with one of his simplest teachings, pansil.

I think you are going a bit out of scope here... I'm in no way protecting the hunters or whoever that does kill according to what Buddhism says completing the 5 pre-requisites for a SIN.. those are SINNERS!!

My point here how can you be held responsible for eating dead meat? in pansil it says "Pana athi sthun nomarami" that is a pledge that you making to yourself, again comes back to those 5 criteria and if you full fill them personally you are sinned.... and everyone of us pledge it and someone decide to break it... and then the result is dead meat... how can another to blame for it?

Ok you say my scenario is not good enough... but how can you deny that this is not what might have happened? Human must have tried meat personally and then he decides to sell or exchange for something else! He does it because of his greed for money.. the person who takes it, takes for food.. but the killer always HAD a chance not to kill that animal...

I hope you are getting what I'm trying to say here!

But to the man, or buddhist who could not understand this and who has eaten meat and just couldnt get himself to get rid of that habit of eating dead animals(probably because they are tasty) had to justify his actions. So that's why people bring up all this things about "buddha never said eating meet was bad " " Buddha ate some sort of a food made from meat(Sukara Maggawa) before he died" and all.

Then why did Buddha himself ate meat? :)

Why do people eat meat? Ofcourse they are tasty.. that's why... there's simply no other alternative to it... that's why even vegetarian food trying to mimic the taste!

I eat chicken too for the same reason, but if anyday I see there's no more chicken out on the shelf.. I have no problem being a veg... because for me its just another source of food... its dead meat... for that person who kills for me.. well... he has a choice not to kill!! I'm still securing my "Paanathi Paatha", and he is not... though he has the power to do so!
So at the end of the day I buy the most tastiest food that I can find, why would I settle for anything less? unless ofcourse I don't have it there!

Let me point out some facts.

(1) In pansil first sil is "I will not kill others"
(2) In 'Arya ashtangika margaya' If we think about 'Samma Ajeewa'
buddha points out,
5 jobs that should not be done, and in this
1. Do not sell meat.
2. Do not sell animals/slaves ( I cant remember exaclty bro)
(3) Buddha always says wish others well ( 'Mithree')

And I may bring up some other points later when I remember... Anyway my point is buddha being wise and all saying all this never excpeted a buddhist will ever think that he said eating meet is ok.

How can you wish 'mithree' to all the animals and then eat it? What is the logic in that.

That comes down to the capability of your own mind! As for me personally.... I love animals, I dont get the feeling of a walking roasted chicken when I see a live one.... neither do I get the feeling of killing that animal and eating it on the spot!! infact I would never kill one myself ever..... I'm just eating a carcass!!

So I can love any animal.. and I do too... NO PROBLEM there!!!

Say for example, those people whom voluntary work for SPCA, are they all vegetarians? but they show maithree to animals than ordinary people st any given time.. for free! :)

Machan I have thought these things over and over through many years.I have raise my questions discussed with many wise poeple. I have come to the logical conclusion that, budhhist just try to justify whatever bad thing they do. Thinking logically I cannot think that buddha would ever encourage a killing in anyway. But people who want to justify what they do just make reasons. such as something illogical as eating meat is ok.

So do I!! :)

just foget buddhism, or what buddha said, just think out of box. If anyone had ever watched "Faces of Death" he would never eat meat again. Religion or no religion, how can one bear a poor animal being killed, taken the right to live away as if we have the right. Who are we? If eating meat is essential for us to live, I would be the first one to say its ok. But its not. And its wrong.

Well no matter what you watch it comes down to you.. this I think you said it yourself.... you think it should begin with the person who consume.. I think it should begin with the killer himself!

That's why I asked you where, those five conditions are from, To me either its a contradiction in buddha said or I did not understand what it is.

Those 5 are from Buddhism itself, I suggest you try to find them before you making such comments because I'm absolutely certain about it!

Again I disagree, In fact this is a point with no logic at all in my opinion. But if I'm wrong forgive me. Are you suggesting that people who do the killing should just stop? That's never gonna happen. The easiest way is that people who eat meat if they understand its wrong stopping it. Or if they dont understand thats also ok. What you do is for you, not for anyone else. But dont just justify your selves in front of the alter of buddhism. Coz its nothing in buddhism, its just you.

Then how does people in North and South pole survive? they must eat high fat meat! they must drink high fat milk to survive in those cold climates.. So that person cannot be a Buddhist? Ofcourse he can....

What do you think bro? Maybe I'm wrong but that's why I' m here for. To learn what I dont know and be a better person.

I think you are a better person already, maybe you are bit too sensitive on this matter... we can go on arguing about this.. but my 2 cents are whatever you do... DON'T KILL, but encouraging is NOT killing because the killer is the first person to get sinned so he has a choice to make and he can always make the right one..

[kalyanamithra]

Namo Buddhaya!
Pinath mithurani,

It's strange to see this discussion dragging on for months...

Please do not go beyond the definition given for Prana gatha by our Sasthurun wahanse: Samma sambuddha gautama. All percepts are well defined; there's nothing missing in them for us to add...

It is not a sin to eat meat; as long as
1. you have not seen the animal was killed for you
2. you have not heard that the animal was killed for you
3. you have no reason to suspect that the animal was killed for you

Please see "siha senadhipathi sutta" if you have any doubt....

It's a sin to kill animals; or get another to kill the animal. But it's not a sin for you to eat meat bought from a shop (if already killed) - why? it's NOT killed for you... The person killing you could not have know at the time of killing that you'd be buying the meat (so you have no reason to suspect that it was killed for you)...

It's not correct to think about supply and demand and logically infer buying meat is a sin...
Please note that the Truth cannot be realized merely by logical reasoning ('akara parivithakka')...

That person has killed assuming someone would by it; so he sins; and the sin is not shared with anyone else.
Suppose you order fresh meat and get a person do the killing. Then you are part of it; and the sin is shared with you...

A more subtle case: suppose you order meat from a shop which always has meat for sale. For some reason the shop is out of stock; the shop keeper kills an animal without your knowledge, a thing which you never imagined he would do; and serves you... Then you do not get the sin...

The percepts have been laid to help us control our actions so that we can follow the Path without getting detoured... Please have shraddha on that... Another thing: we should not just stop at Pancha sila - there's a long way to go... :)

Choosing to eat meat or not is a personal preference... We should only make sure that we never kill an animal; or persuade another to do so...
If we opt not to eat meat: we should never think high of us because of it; and we should never think of it as part of our sila...

I have another question to those trying to applying logical (=> avijjasahagatha! ) arguments on Dhamma:
"There are lot of small creatures (e.g. ants) on our pavements ; and we know that. Are we causing pranagatha because of walking without being on the lookout for them?" See how futile trying to infer things using 'our avijjasahagatha reasoning power'?

Let's stick to what preached by Sammasambuddha gautama... let's try to follow the Path... :)

Theruwan saranai!

[kalyanamithra]

DON'T KILL, but encouraging is NOT killing because the killer is the first person to get sinned so he has a choice to make and he can always make the right one..
Pinwath mithura,

I think I agree with you :)
True, encouraging is not killing; but you sin by encouraging (if it's direct).
But I got your point; the word "encouraging" may not be suited to explain the above situation...
Bohoma pin obata...

Pinwath mithurani,

Following is something I am not clear about; I have not come across this in Dhamma...
But I think following things are correct.. please let me know if not...

Buying meat from a shop is not an encouragement for killing...
iff you are careful in the way you interact with the butcher (or seller)...

You'd probably get involved if you request/say followings to him (probably if he would kill himself or order killing on behalf of you)
e.g.
can I have this kind of meat next day?
why you do not have this kind of meat these days?
can you deliver me this much of this & this meat every month?
I would be buying if you always provide me at this price...

Again: you may not sin that way if your seller just buys from another..

This is vague... So, I think (I may be wrong; because I haven't seen this in Dhamma) if buying meat;
it's best not to interact in above manner with the seller... perhaps it's best not to have the seller personalize what he sells for you...

What do you think?
I do not have access to "Nirmansha Prashnaya" pinwath kiribathgoda gnanananda swamin wahanse; please let me know if this concern is explained differently there...

Theruwan saranai!

[Bhavana]

Dear friends, eating meat or not eating meat is only a personal opinion. PLS don't argue on Dhamma.. Dhamma, it's Athakkavacara..

So try to understand what is the dukkha, try to eradicate thanha.. try to achieve the Bliss of Nibbana... try to develop the Magga, the ariya attangika magga.. it is the way..

but arguments on dhamma is not the way of understanding Dhamma...

Whether you are a vegetarian or not, you have to face death, decay, pain, sorrow, lamentation and all other stresses in life. So try get rid of dukkha..

PLS Don't argue

Read this sutta.. If you are real Buddhist you will stop this argument..


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[kalyanamithra]

Dear friends, eating meat or not eating meat is only a personal opinion. PLS don't argue on Dhamma.. Dhamma, it's Athakkavacara..

So try to understand what is the dukkha, try to eradicate thanha.. try to achieve the Bliss of Nibbana... try to develop the Magga, the ariya attangika magga.. it is the way..

but arguments on dhamma is not the way of understanding Dhamma...

Whether you are a vegetarian or not, you have to face death, decay, pain, sorrow, lamentation and all other stresses in life. So try get rid of dukkha..

PLS Don't argue

Read this sutta.. If you are real Buddhist you will stop this argument..


Bohoma pin obata :)

Theruwan saranai!

[alagakkonara]

Dear friends, eating meat or not eating meat is only a personal opinion. PLS don't argue on Dhamma.. Dhamma, it's Athakkavacara..

So try to understand what is the dukkha, try to eradicate thanha.. try to achieve the Bliss of Nibbana... try to develop the Magga, the ariya attangika magga.. it is the way..

but arguments on dhamma is not the way of understanding Dhamma...

Whether you are a vegetarian or not, you have to face death, decay, pain, sorrow, lamentation and all other stresses in life. So try get rid of dukkha..

PLS Don't argue

Read this sutta.. If you are real Buddhist you will stop this argument..


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First of all I'm not a real buddhist. I do not understand what a real buddhist is. In my opinion there arent a group called buddhists. But there are people who follow what buddha pointed out. For an example I know a muslim who is a vegetarian, and who to the best of my knoweledge at least do pansil(With out knowing of course). In my opinion he is a person who follows what buddha pointed out in his own, and I must say a if you want to divide in to a group called 'buddhists' he is a better buddhist than many people I know who call them selves buddhists.

Budhha said "eva balava' saying come and look at my dhamma, So I'm looking at it. And I will argue if neccessary to understand things better. In my understanding arguments on dhamma is a one way of understanding dhamma.
Thats why buhhda said in "maha mangala sutra' 'Kalena dhamma sakachcha'

These arguments or I'd prefer conversations are 'Kalena dhamma sakachcha'.

[geeth333]

First of all I'm not a real buddhist. I do not understand what a real buddhist is. In my opinion there arent a group called buddhists. But there are people who follow what buddha pointed out. For an example I know a muslim who is a vegetarian, and who to the best of my knoweledge at least do pansil(With out knowing of course). In my opinion he is a person who follows what buddha pointed out in his own, and I must say a if you want to divide in to a group called 'buddhists' he is a better buddhist than many people I know who call them selves buddhists.

Budhha said "eva balava' saying come and look at my dhamma, So I'm looking at it. And I will argue if neccessary to understand things better. In my understanding arguments on dhamma is a one way of understanding dhamma.
Thats why buhhda said in "maha mangala sutra' 'Kalena dhamma sakachcha'

These arguments or I'd prefer conversations are 'Kalena dhamma sakachcha'.

You are completely wrong in this manner.
Because Dhamma never can be understand using arguments..

Buddha has explained it with the word Atakkawacara..

If you say that you can understand the Dhamma by using argument, that dhmma is not Buddha's Dhamma.. Buddha's Dhamma is Atakkawacara... It must be realized by practicing.

Dhamma does not depend On personal opinions,

[alagakkonara]

Please see "siha senadhipathi sutta" if you have any doubt....



Thank you for your wisdom, Can you please be more specific? In what 'nikhaya' and in which part. Also if you have a softcopy maybe you can share it with us?

[alagakkonara]

You are completely wrong in this manner.
Because Dhamma never can be understand using arguments..

Ok, then I might not understand dhamma ever. I'm really sorry to hear that. Anyway I will continue to seek answers. arguments or not I want to know the truth.


If you say that you can understand the Dhamma by using argument, that dhmma is not Buddha's Dhamma..


Again your personal opinion.

[sri_lion]

Pinwath mithura,

I think I agree with you :)
True, encouraging is not killing; but you sin by encouraging (if it's direct).
But I got your point; the word "encouraging" may not be suited to explain the above situation...
Bohoma pin obata...

Pinwath mithurani,

Following is something I am not clear about; I have not come across this in Dhamma...
But I think following things are correct.. please let me know if not...

Buying meat from a shop is not an encouragement for killing...
iff you are careful in the way you interact with the butcher (or seller)...

You'd probably get involved if you request/say followings to him (probably if he would kill himself or order killing on behalf of you)
e.g.
can I have this kind of meat next day?
why you do not have this kind of meat these days?
can you deliver me this much of this & this meat every month?
I would be buying if you always provide me at this price...

Again: you may not sin that way if your seller just buys from another..

This is vague... So, I think (I may be wrong; because I haven't seen this in Dhamma) if buying meat;
it's best not to interact in above manner with the seller... perhaps it's best not to have the seller personalize what he sells for you...

What do you think?
I do not have access to "Nirmansha Prashnaya" pinwath kiribathgoda gnanananda swamin wahanse; please let me know if this concern is explained differently there...

Theruwan saranai!

kalyanamithra, first of all thank you for the earlier reply mentioning the "siha-senthdhipathi sutra", which was something I did not know! :)

Getting back to what I've asked, I think you are correct on the word I've used here... even I myself was not 100% clear what to use there, what I have been trying to convey is that you maybe a frequent customer but that does not make you a SINNER, my appologies for the WORD!

But I think if you've read my replies you can get the core idea of what I'm trying to say and I think its more or less what you trying to convey too! I think in a MUCH earlier POST in this thread I've mentioned that in this scenario you can only SIN upon your own request for a kill, So I assume that's what you trying to highlight too?

Thank you! :)

[sri_lion]

Thank you for your wisdom, Can you please be more specific? In what 'nikhaya' and in which part. Also if you have a softcopy maybe you can share it with us?

Second that! :)

[geeth333]

Ok, then I might not understand dhamma ever. I'm really sorry to hear that. Anyway I will continue to seek answers. arguments or not I want to know the truth.



Again your personal opinion.

That is not my personal opinion.. It's what the Buddha taught. PLS read the sutta named "Bodhiraja kumara" in Majjhima Nikaya...

[alagakkonara]

I think there's no point arguing about this because, its just a matter of individual perception!

I think we are going in circles here, So let me summerize what we say,

Lets say there are 100 poeple in the world and 1 person is the butcher. he kills 100 animals everyday for the others.

What you say is those hundred animals are not killed for any one of those 99 people. Only the butcher sinned because he had the chance to make the choices and not kill. Therefor people have not done 'panathipatha'

What I say is those 100 animals are killed for those people. Therefor they are responsible. And they have done 'panathipatha' .

I think we should leave it to that. If I understand I'm wrong I will come and tell you.

One small thing.


Then why did Buddha himself ate meat? :)

Did he? I never knew that. Actually I have done some research on this, and I never found a thing that strongly says he ate meat. I may be wrong

If you are refering to following 2 points, I dont think we should talk about it. Becuase I' m tired of arguing over these points.

(1) Buddha ate a food called 'Sukara maggawa' which is made of meat.
(2) When 'devdath' decided to do 'sangha bedhaya' he presented 6 conditions. One of them was 'Monks should not eat meat'
It is said that buddha said, 'If anyone wants he can do this. there is nothing wrong in this.'

And finally, If anyone eats dead animals, fine. I'm not agianst it. That's for you. Do what you want in the life man, and enjoy it.

[alagakkonara]

That is not my personal opinion.. It's what the Buddha taught. PLS read the sutta named "Bodhiraja kumara" in Majjhima Nikaya...

Thank you, I will try to find this suthra. I have part of Majjhima Nikaya with me in home, but dont know whether this suthra is in it. Anyway I will go through it in the weekend.

[Lightning_McQueen]

i was a vegetarian sometime ago... but, i couldn't be a vegetarian atleast 3 months... so, now i'm not... :)

[henderson]

I think we are going in circles here, So let me summerize what we say,

Lets say there are 100 poeple in the world and 1 person is the butcher. he kills 100 animals everyday for the others.

What you say is those hundred animals are not killed for any one of those 99 people. Only the butcher sinned because he had the chance to make the choices and not kill. Therefor people have not done 'panathipatha'

What I say is those 100 animals are killed for those people. Therefor they are responsible. And they have done 'panathipatha' .


There is another point of view, Just imagine the Butcher stopped killing animals and selling meat. Then will those 100 people kill themselves and eat meat? Only very few of them will do it. So I believe all of them are not done 'panathipatha' based on that point of view.

[alagakkonara]

There is another point of view, Just imagine the Butcher stopped killing animals and selling meat. Then will those 100 people kill themselves and eat meat? Only very few of them will do it. So I believe all of them are not done 'panathipatha' based on that point of view.

Ok, then it's another point. But at the end you also come to the conclusion that they have not done 'panathipatha' right? Ok.

[Nash_Node]

You know, for some unknown reason I always thought it's the PIG's job to be on my plate at dinner time as PORK ! :confused:

I never asked him about how he felt about it. Nor the butcher, nor the cook nor the guy who marinated pork and neither the guy designed the menu.

Rules are actually simple right ? :confused:

When you are on the top of the food chain, you get to decide what type of meat your going to savor for the day... and when you jump into a river full of salt water crocodiles.. then the tables simply turn and it's your turn to swim the fuck out of their :lol:

But, with all due respect, why not anyone of your vegie's try negotiating with an Eskimo over this issue., I will come by with a camera to capture the moment when you are used as whale bait. :lol::lol:

[henderson]

Ok, then it's another point. But at the end you also come to the conclusion that they have not done 'panathipatha' right? Ok.

yeah, correct. They are not done Panathpatha.

[henderson]

You know, for some unknown reason I always thought it's the PIG's job to be on my plate at dinner time as PORK ! :confused:

well, that is another thought!! :lol:

[kalyanamithra]

Thank you for your wisdom, Can you please be more specific? In what 'nikhaya' and in which part. Also if you have a softcopy maybe you can share it with us?
Pinwath mithura,

I am sorry, it should have been 'seeha senapathi sutta'. I guess in Aanguttara Nikaya, Panchaka Nipatha, Sumana Vaggao (not sure if it's the correct one); probably the following Deshana on it at would say where to locate it (I am sorry I am not in a position to check it out today).

http://www.mahamevna.org/downloads/Mp3/Seeha_Senapathi_Sutta.mp3
note: many of the download links are not working today; better if you can check latter...

Theruwan saranai!

[rukey3001]

You can read this book on Vegetarianism at www.mahamevna.org

[Y2K]

you can eat fish but don't be selfish